The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[SpurinChicago]

I was using walker as an example of how amortisation can scew profit. His sale recorded us a €50m profit. Sanchez cost €6.7m €40÷6 years). But this has no bearing on what money changed hands or we have available to use. The amortisation of those deals would show us making €43m profit but reality it is €10m.

I disagree. Just as we don't account for all of the costs associated with a player in one year(and in practical terms, given our chairman, HIGHLY unlikely we are paying all the costs in one year), it is highly unlikely we receive all the proceeds from player sales in one year. These are paid over time. Our transfer net spend, as is repeated consistently in here, is roughly zero. So, from both a cash flow and accounting basis, these things should be even (Spurs don't release the manner in which they or other clubs pay fees owed). So, I disagree. I think the profits are not misleading and we could afford additional transfers.

 

[Lilbaz]

I disagree. Just as we don't account for all of the costs associated with a player in one year(and in practical terms, given our chairman, HIGHLY unlikely we are paying all the costs in one year), it is highly unlikely we receive all the proceeds from player sales in one year. These are paid over time. Our transfer net spend, as is repeated consistently in here, is roughly zero. So, from both a cash flow and accounting basis, these things should be even (Spurs don't release the manner in which they or other clubs pay fees owed). So, I disagree. I think the profits are not misleading and we could afford additional transfers.

Player amortisation records it as receiving all that money as soon as the deal is done (even if the payments are staggered). Which is what i'm trying to explain to you and why it scews the profit.

Basically you had an asset (the player) which you have now swapped for another asset, which can be cash or the promise of cash but the value of the new asset is recorded in your accounts.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

This thread delivers for the bile and so on (preparing for the inevitable baldy-pissing-off-Poch saga), but I also get the feeling with BBLG's posts that if he were to come home and find his wife in bed with his best mate, his first reaction would be 'I'm so excited that both of you have found happiness together, looks like you're working up a sweat! Can I get you a cup of tea or something, or I could pop to the shops for a nice cold beer to cool you down?'

Oh please don’t take my passiveness as a lack of frustration, I am incredibly frustrated that we’ve left our business till the final 33 hours of the window. However, I don’t believe in getting angry about the intangible, and even if I did, I don’t believe levy is the sole reason for this difficult window. Part of it maybe, but not the sole reason. However, he gets all the flack.

When it comes to spurs, I get upset by bad performances, by boring football and by poor league standing. With the squad we have in place, I don’t see any of that as being highly likely, regardless of the transfer window failings, so therefore I don’t get angry at the transfer window, I’ve seen us splash out on enough players who I was desperate to sign (soldado, rebrov, Sigurdsson) to know that just because I rate someone and they cost a lot, doesn’t mean they’ll have the desired effect. Likewise, I’ve seen enough less celebrated signing go on to be absolutely brilliant (Carrick, Dele, Dier, Ekotto), so if all we get is Berge and Grealish I’ll be enthusiastic, supportive and expectant no less than if they were Kondogbia and Koke.

 

[spursfan77]

If DL doesn’t back Poch with what he wants, he’ll be off, anyone who has read his book will know that. It’s a two way streak with him. If he doesn’t think he’s hot the trust of the chairman then he won’t trust him.

I think Levy has to be very careful with this.

 

[spursfan77]

If anyone is interested in a breakdown of our finances read one of the top football finance experts (a gooner so has no agenda). This probably not the thread.

No, there’s one in spurs chat for it. Also Swiss Ramble did a post comparing the top 6 finances last week. That is worth a look too.

 

[pablo73]

If DL doesn’t back Poch with what he wants, he’ll be off, anyone who has read his book will know that. It’s a two way streak with him. If he doesn’t think he’s hot the trust of the chairman then he won’t trust him.

I think Levy has to be very careful with this.

Wow, I did not know that about him. Can we expect to see Poch & Levy running naked across the pitch at our first home game in the new stadium then? If it gets players signed up I'm all for it, hell I'll even streak with them.

 

[Finchyid]

If DL doesn’t back Poch with what he wants, he’ll be off, anyone who has read his book will know that. It’s a two way streak with him. If he doesn’t think he’s hot the trust of the chairman then he won’t trust him.

I think Levy has to be very careful with this.

Didnt we just hear from @Hercules "If this is the case, we will hold out on just the 2 players. Poch berry happy with that."

Unless Berry is a ITK the know twist of red faced and angry.......Doesnt sound to me like Poch feels unbacked

 

[Finchyid]

Didnt we just hear from @Hercules "If this is the case, we will hold out on just the 2 players. Poch berry happy with that."

Unless Berry is a ITK the know twist of red faced and angry.......Doesnt sound to me like Poch feels unbacked

Sorry @Archibald&Crooks should I remove this ?

 

[vegassd]

Oh please don’t take my passiveness as a lack of frustration, I am incredibly frustrated that we’ve left our business till the final 33 hours of the window. However, I don’t believe in getting angry about the intangible, and even if I did, I don’t believe levy is the sole reason for this difficult window. Part of it maybe, but not the sole reason. However, he gets all the flack.

When it comes to spurs, I get upset by bad performances, by boring football and by poor league standing. With the squad we have in place, I don’t see any of that as being highly likely, regardless of the transfer window failings, so therefore I don’t get angry at the transfer window, I’ve seen us splash out on enough players who I was desperate to sign (soldado, rebrov, Sigurdsson) to know that just because I rate someone and they cost a lot, doesn’t mean they’ll have the desired effect. Likewise, I’ve seen enough less celebrated signing go on to be absolutely brilliant (Carrick, Dele, Dier, Ekotto), so if all we get is Berge and Grealish I’ll be enthusiastic, supportive and expectant no less than if they were Kondogbia and Koke.

We should post this in the daily discussion thread and then lock it! Might save a few people some end-of-window stress!! (jokes)

I couldn't agree more about the idea of players who have great potential but fail or have little fanfare and excel. It seems like Poch relishes the idea of taking those "lesser known" players and moulding them into what he wants them to be. He also seems like a believer in his own philosophy and I'm sure if he feels he can't work properly at THFC due to lack of money he will move on.

If we don't make any grandstand signings this window I would imagine there will be rumours about Poch leaving to one of Europe's big clubs because of it, and fans will get pissed off and blame it on Levy/ENIC. But these rumours are going to occur no matter what, and they will be blamed on not winning trophies or it being Poch's dream to manage Barca or something like that.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Exactly

We should post this in the daily discussion thread and then lock it! Might save a few people some end-of-window stress!! (jokes)

I couldn't agree more about the idea of players who have great potential but fail or have little fanfare and excel. It seems like Poch relishes the idea of taking those "lesser known" players and moulding them into what he wants them to be. He also seems like a believer in his own philosophy and I'm sure if he feels he can't work properly at THFC due to lack of money he will move on.

If we don't make any grandstand signings this window I would imagine there will be rumours about Poch leaving to one of Europe's big clubs because of it, and fans will get pissed off and blame it on Levy/ENIC. But these rumours are going to occur no matter what, and they will be blamed on not winning trophies or it being Poch's dream to manage Barca or something like that.

Truth be told, I’m far more excited by links to players I know little/ nothing about like Berge or Lobotka than players like Kondogbia or Kovacic who haven’t cracked the elite and almost likely see us as a two year shopping window to re-prove themselves before rejoining the elite. Prime example: Toby Alderweireld.

I actually think I’m in the majority, not the minority, but most people who apply though and reason the a situation also are more resistant to the need to argue with the raging mass, whereas I succumb, most likely due to my firey Greek background ?? ??

 

[Espen Mowinckel]

You should have spent a little more time on English and learnt some grammar. #justsaying

Interesting discussions come from playing the ball, not the man. #justsaying

 

[Espen Mowinckel]

That being said. I think Poch knows and agrees with the way we do buisness. The cries for Levys head ring out anually, but he to som extent delivers every year. Holding my breath until tomorrow at 5

 

[swarvsta]

Interesting discussions come from playing the ball, not the man. #justsaying

It wasn’t my argument to get involved with, to be fair.

It’s just a pet hate of mine when someone tries to back up their opinion with ‘I have a masters degree in.....so my opinion is worth more than yours...”.

I actually have a degree, but would never deem it relevant to a Spurs forum.

@SpurinChicago is probably a recent graduate and hasn’t worked out that graduating doesn’t make you special in every aspect of life. Just your specialist field.

 

[SpurinChicago]

It wasn’t my argument to get involved with, to be fair.

It’s just a pet hate of mine when someone tries to back up their opinion with ‘I have a masters degree in.....so my opinion is worth more than yours...”.

I actually have a degree, but would never deem it relevant to a Spurs forum.

@SpurinChicago is probably a recent graduate and hasn’t worked out that graduating doesn’t make you special in every aspect of life. Just your specialist field.

Isnt the case at all. Le Gin was saying everyone that disagreed with him was an idiot and had no understanding of finance. I was indicating I actually had some knowledge, without trying to personally attack him. I graduated 18 years ago.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think maybe we should chip in and send a case of a nice Malbec to Poch's office.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I think maybe we should chip in and send a case of a nice Malbec to Poch's office.

Why, because the unhinged of SC are melting down about transfers again .. Maybe you could club together and buy yourselves some!

 

[LeParisien]

@barry

From itk thread.

Net spend by clubs like Everton, palace, West Ham... all far higher since poch took over. If that’s what gets you off then go and enjoy their success.

Spending money will not guarantee you success.

And yes - I am happy with spurs over the last few years. We’ve made excellent progress recently and I’m confidn t we’ll be even stronger in 5 years.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

At this point everyone is extra special. We're that fucking desperate because of how we roll (leaving 1 day to get deals done)
Coffee is for closers

No, desperate is when a club (let's say that little red club a couple of hundred miles north of us on the Irish see) spends 3 times as much as us over the past decade and only manages to finish above us once.

Desperate is when a club is so impatient and damaged at the core that every 18 months its' very highly paid players revolt until the manager is sacked.

Desperate is any club hiring Mourinho and then spending record transfer fee after record transfer fee to try to stop him damaging the club brand to the media.

Desperate is not a club built on solid foundations, patiently evolved to a point where, having spent a fraction of its' competitors outlay it is consistently challenging at the top, competing in Europe's main competition and has half is squad at the world cup, and that's not the half including some really good footballers like Vorm, Aurier, Wanyama, Winks, Lucan Moura and Lamela.

We are not desperate, we are just doing it a different way to the others, something our manager has alluded to countless times and warned our fans constantly that we need to accept it.

 

[barry]

@barry

From itk thread.

Net spend by clubs like Everton, palace, West Ham... all far higher since poch took over. If that’s what gets you off then go and enjoy their success.

Spending money will not guarantee you success.

And yes - I am happy with spurs over the last few years. We’ve made excellent progress recently and I’m confidn t we’ll be even stronger in 5 years.

Cheers for the response, I've vented now, gotta get my negative ratings up, and I'm calm again. I gotta go back to work, but I'll be back tonight for the fireworks.

 

[yankspurs]

It’s been a great run, Poch, and I will enjoy this last season of it. Too bad Levy outright refuses to back you. Sad to see it end like this but I am not surprised in the slightest. You deserve better. Levy will never change even if we get bought up by Qatar or Dubai and he stays on as chairman.