The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[E17yid]

If I’m being honest I wouldn’t completely trust Poch with £150m. His track record is very hit and miss.

 

[Monkey boy]

I wouldn't surprised in the slightest if he decides to leave. The body language is just not the same with him this year, and it's clear that attitude may have seeped into the squad.

Not saying Levy shot the gold egg laying goose, but it appears he has one hand round its neck.

I find it all so sad, but so predictable.

Unfortunately it’s gone past just shitty body language. He’s actually come out and said that he’s unhappy. Even the blindest spurs fan with spurs tinted glasses can’t see this ending any other way. Like you said, all too predictable.

 

[eddiev14]

They probably see him as a short term fix as he's a defensive coach and he has a history of falling out with boards, definitely wouldn't be a manager to take over long term but then again this is Real Madrid so...

Well that’s the point. It’s pretty rare that a manager stays at Madrid longer than a couple of years.

If Conte gave them a couple I can see them winning La Liga at least once.

I mean even Zidane resigned citing a “need for change” and he’d not even done 3 years!

I think Poch will go at some point but he’d be silly to go there thinking he’d have time to create some legacy.

 

[Monkey boy]

If I’m being honest I wouldn’t completely trust Poch with £150m. His track record is very hit and miss.

What’s the alternative then? Sign nobody?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

What’s the alternative then? Sign nobody?

Exactly, there's not a manager ever who's track record isn't hit and miss to some degree or another. Where it becomes less so is when you're buying already established quality but even then there's no guarantees. There are so many variables, but you can't justify not spending at all. Nobody has ever done that. Ever. And that's going to bite Willow on the arse big time soon.

 

[GMI]

https://www.football365.com/news/full-transcript-of-neville-carraghers-tottenham-argument

Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher embarked on a lengthy discussion over Tottenham and Mauricio Pochettino on Monday night.

Neville is BsoDL. ?

 

[hakano]

I’ve openly said Levy fucked up this summer, but I will also never condemn him for spending within our means.

Here you go, article from August 2018 - Levy spending within our means.....

http://www.90min.in/posts/6144712-p...anded-salary-cuts-daniel-levy-trumps-everyone


Manchester United's executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward and Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis were both paid £2.6m in 2017, an amount which is peanuts in comparison to Tottenham's Daniel Levy.

Woodward was the highest paid administrator in English football since taking over from David Gill in July 2013. However, in a report by the Times in UK, he is now the third highest paid after his salary dropped from £2.95m in 2016-17 to £2.6m in the financial year of 2017-18.

Gazidis who is still not certain whether he will be part of Arsenal in the coming months was paid slightly more than Ed Woodward, taking home £2.62m in 2017 including his pension contribution. However that figure is a little less than the £2.65m he took home in 2016.

However, both Gazidis and Woodward are way behind Levy who is paid a humongous £6.01m for the same period between June 2016 to June 2017 as reported in Spurs' accounts. Levy actually earned more than Gazidis and Woodward combined.

But, after the recent summer transfer window, Levy has come under scrutiny from fans as Tottenham became the first club in the Premier League to have not signed a single player since the beginning of the transfer window in 2003.

Talking about Liverpool, as per their accounts, the Reds' highest paid director was handed out £907,000, while Newcastle's managing director Lee Charnley was paid £150,000.

 

[E17yid]

What’s the alternative then? Sign nobody?

No. You obviously try and get his top 1 or 2 and perhaps DoF the rest.

To be fair he’s more miss than hit isn’t he. You never know and yeah it’s hard but he’s signed off on some fucking dross

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Here you go, article from August 2018 - Levy spending within our means.....

http://www.90min.in/posts/6144712-p...anded-salary-cuts-daniel-levy-trumps-everyone


Manchester United's executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward and Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis were both paid £2.6m in 2017, an amount which is peanuts in comparison to Tottenham's Daniel Levy.

Woodward was the highest paid administrator in English football since taking over from David Gill in July 2013. However, in a report by the Times in UK, he is now the third highest paid after his salary dropped from £2.95m in 2016-17 to £2.6m in the financial year of 2017-18.

Gazidis who is still not certain whether he will be part of Arsenal in the coming months was paid slightly more than Ed Woodward, taking home £2.62m in 2017 including his pension contribution. However that figure is a little less than the £2.65m he took home in 2016.

However, both Gazidis and Woodward are way behind Levy who is paid a humongous £6.01m for the same period between June 2016 to June 2017 as reported in Spurs' accounts. Levy actually earned more than Gazidis and Woodward combined.

But, after the recent summer transfer window, Levy has come under scrutiny from fans as Tottenham became the first club in the Premier League to have not signed a single player since the beginning of the transfer window in 2003.

Talking about Liverpool, as per their accounts, the Reds' highest paid director was handed out £907,000, while Newcastle's managing director Lee Charnley was paid £150,000.

What has the fact that Levy’s salary was propped up by several years worth of bonus payments that he hadn’t taken got to do with the fact that Pochettino isn’t picking sides based on merit, is playing negative tactics and is failing to utilise a squad where he has two players per position (all but Foyth proven internationals)?

You also realise that levy doesn’t decide how much he is paid right? As a Ltd company, we’d be under investigation by the SFO if that were going on.

 

[Colonel Dax]

To be fair he’s more miss than hit isn’t he. You never know and yeah it’s hard but he’s signed off on some fucking dross

But to be fair to Poch we don't know whether the players we've signed were his 1st choices. As Carragher said on MNF Poch wanted Mane but we ended up with Sissoko. Sure Poch did sign off on Sissoko but at the time he probably thought he was better than not signing anyone.

 

[E17yid]

But to be fair to Poch we don't know whether the players we've signed were his 1st choices. As Carragher said on MNF Poch wanted Mane but we ended up with Sissoko. Sure Poch did sign off on Sissoko but at the time he probably thought he was better than not signing anyone.

Yeah that’s a fair point and one that works the other way. How involved was Poch in identifying Son and Alli I wonder?

His strength definitely lies in developing talent, he showed that at Southampton and with us and I’ve always said I’d rather sign no one than get your Sidsoko’s, Nkoudou, Njie, Llorente and Jansens but we’ll never know the ins and outs of the whole process from identifying a player to him donning the chicken badge so it’s hard for us fans to comment.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Yeah that’s a fair point and one that works the other way. How involved was Poch in identifying Son and Alli I wonder?

His strength definitely lies in developing talent, he showed that at Southampton and with us and I’ve always said I’d rather sign no one than get your Sidsoko’s, Nkoudou, Njie, Llorente and Jansens but we’ll never know the ins and outs of the whole process from identifying a player to him donning the chicken badge so it’s hard for us fans to comment.

Yeah same here and that's probably what happened during the summer. I'm guessing Poch was offered some mediocre options and passed.

 

[hakano]

What has the fact that Levy’s salary was propped up by several years worth of bonus payments that he hadn’t taken got to do with the fact that Pochettino isn’t picking sides based on merit, is playing negative tactics and is failing to utilise a squad where he has two players per position (all but Foyth proven internationals)?

You also realise that levy doesn’t decide how much he is paid right? As a Ltd company, we’d be under investigation by the SFO if that were going on.

I was replying to your comment about spending within our means - the other part of your post I had replied to previously.

You can look at in whichever way you want. You may even go on to tell me that it is his salary from the last 17 years all in one. Anyway, his previous salary was over 2M again amongst the highest in the league. Yes it needs to validated by the board so it is all legit - what is your point?

For some reason his salary does not fit in with his general MO, how convenient.

 

[greaves]

Yeah that’s a fair point and one that works the other way. How involved was Poch in identifying Son and Alli I wonder?

His strength definitely lies in developing talent, he showed that at Southampton and with us and I’ve always said I’d rather sign no one than get your Sidsoko’s, Nkoudou, Njie, Llorente and Jansens but we’ll never know the ins and outs of the whole process from identifying a player to him donning the chicken badge so it’s hard for us fans to comment.

Not disagreeing BUT while he may have strength in developing talent it does not follow that he couldn't be successful at managing a team of 'readymades' (eg as at Madrid, City). He just hasn't had the opportunity thus far to demonstrate that. This would be fascinating to see (though I don't want him to leave us anytime soon!).

 

[jurgen]

Not only is Poch supposed to compete but in the eyes of some hes also supposed to alter his philosophy and approach to accommodate whatever duffer Levy offers up instead of players he actually wanted. While still competing. Luckily we’re still not that far off the pace so it’s not quite time for Timmy Sherwood to get on the blower.

Tough gig, perhaps the toughest. I mean he’s paid well but not like it’s 2-3 times what any of his contemporaries make..

 

[shelfboy68]

But to be fair to Poch we don't know whether the players we've signed were his 1st choices. As Carragher said on MNF Poch wanted Mane but we ended up with Sissoko. Sure Poch did sign off on Sissoko but at the time he probably thought he was better than not signing anyone.

There is only one club in PL history not to have participated in a transfer window and there is a reason why clubs buy instead of going for the other option.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I was replying to your comment about spending within our means - the other part of your post I had replied to previously.

You can look at in whichever way you want. You may even go on to tell me that it is his salary from the last 17 years all in one. Anyway, his previous salary was over 2M again amongst the highest in the league. Yes it needs to validated by the board so it is all legit - what is your point?

For some reason his salary does not fit in with his general MO, how convenient.

So you’re saying that growing us from 9th/10th best club in the league to 3rd/4th and doing it the hard way... investing in infrastructure and sustainable long term growth, is not worth as much or more than the chairmen and CEOs who grow their club by spending someone else’s money en amassed and accruing unimaginable debt?

Well, I don’t care whether or not I agree with you, but it’s good to gain an insight into how you think.

My fault entirely, but this thread has become a discussion on Levy when it should be a discussion on Pochettino. As such, I’m going to unfollow it/ remove notifications/ stop watching it as I keep taking the bait when really I know all any of you want to do is talk about our manager

 

[sam1972]

He’s not sitting next to Dele ?

 

[chinaman]

Just you lot wait until it comes out that the new ground is actually made up of Hollywood western movie style props that make it look like you’re in a town, just storefronts propped up using timber

Lucky we don't have Townsend anymore. Otherwise don't know whether the props will stand.

 

[Lighty64]

17 years one trophy, a consistent history of letting his managers down and yet you are blaming Poch for the scenario we are in currently? Spin doctor extraordinaire.

all the teams that have won more bar Leicester are quite a lot wealthier than us. Abramovic rolled in 2 years after ENIC, the Sheik rolled in when we started the ball rolling on the NPD, Man U had been dominating football, Arsenal was involved and very settled and never went backwards because of the build, they went backwards because of Chelsea and City, and had the rub of the green to then win 3 late FA Cups in Wengers reign.

there are only 3 trophies to play for unless you get in the top 4, and unless you either get lucky in the draws, or have the depth in squad or mega rich those 3 trophies are not to easy to get. yes we fucked up with the Nelson/Saha window, the right players I believe would of at least seen us guarantee CL football, but how anyone could expect us to compete in the smallest stadium without a bit of luck I don't think really understands the damage to football that was caused once UEFA, SKY and the introduction of the PL has done