The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Spurslove]

Coming out and denying the rumours won’t make them go away, you only give them credibility by responding.
If Poch came out and said “I am not interested”, you then get Man U to offer record salary/transfer budget to Poch to convince him blah blah blah. Then you get the pundits, “you don’t turn down those sums, “Spurs couldn’t match that!” etc. It then goes on.
How many times has Harry Kane said how committed is to Spurs? But they still print the stories, the pundits still think he is off if Madrid came in for him.
Poch has said so so so many times over the last 5 years how happy is at Spurs, and yet they still print the stories (leaving that bit out obviously).
Also you can’t predict the future as Poch says. For argument sake, say he falls out with Levy, it could happen, Man U then looks more appealing but he ruled out, he would look like an absolute dick!
He is not leaving! We all deep down know that because as Spurs fans we actually listen to what he says and we know how he behaves. The pundits know what they know, and the press need a really good story that’s there job!
Another thing, what is saying to Harry and Co who love him for the way he treats them and his values of the team, that they have bought into. Look at Kyle Walker he would be the biggest hypocrite, surely he is not lying to them? I am sure Harry has asked him, what’s going on gaffer?

One thing is for sure if Levy gets a sniff that he is thinking of taking the job he will be out. Man U is currently a rival, he would not want there manager anywhere near our squad! Tap tap.

But he is staying, so worry not!

No offer can be made directly to Poch. Any initial approach must be made through official channels, and that means through Daniel Levy, so good luck with that!

What I really hate is that nobody inside the club will come clean with the fanbase and put their minds at rest, that all this stuff in the press is pure speculation, no approaches have been made, none will be invited, Pochettino has only just signed another five year deal and there really is nothing to worry about as he has already committed himself to delivering our project.

I'm afraid there are millions of Spurs fans around the world who are going to be subjected to SIX MONTHS of the wildest speculation from all and sundry, with absolutely no basis in any truth and by the end of it all, our poor brains are going to be frazzled. Why should we be made to endure such absolute bollocks for that long?

I for one hope United under Solskjaer do really well and at he end of the season they offer the job to him. After all, he'd be a darn sight cheaper and they already know, he'd jump at the chance.

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[cider spurs]

@Spurslove ^^^

You wrote...' I'm afraid there are millions of Spurs fans around the world who are going to be subjected to SIX MONTHS of the wildest speculation from all and sundry, with absolutely no basis in any truth'

Why waste SIX MONTHS on something you've already stated has no basis of truth connected to it as of yet.

Can't control a 'what if' thought. On that basis I try to just get on with living life.

 

[lis spur]

Our press officer is boss!!

 

[midge]

No offer can be made directly to Poch. Any initial approach must be made through official channels, and that means through Daniel Levy, so good luck with that!

What I really hate is that nobody inside the club will come clean with the fanbase and put their minds at rest, that all this stuff in the press is pure speculation, no approaches have been made, none will be invited, Pochettino has only just signed another five year deal and there really is nothing to worry about as he has already committed himself to delivering our project.

I'm afraid there are millions of Spurs fans around the world who are going to be subjected to SIX MONTHS of the wildest speculation from all and sundry, with absolutely no basis in any truth and by the end of it all, our poor brains are going to be frazzled. Why should we be made to endure such absolute bollocks for that long?

I for one hope United under Solskjaer do really well and at he end of the season they offer the job to him. After all, he'd be a darn sight cheaper and they already know, he'd jump at the chance.

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Thing is there is nothing for anyone to come clean with the fanbase

Ole is the interim manager. ManU wont make any attempts till Summer. I seriously doubt any club will indicate that they invite approaches for their staff. So what is there to come clean about

All we have now is journalist needing to stir something for a story. Even ManU have not indicated they want Poch so how do you come clean on something that is not concrete

All the ManU wants Poch stuff are from the journalists and the so call expert pundits. There has not been any quotes from any party from either side.

All this is our fans own insecurity. We have been too long in the shadows of the so call big clubs like ManU so we feel insecure anytime they are linked with any of our staff.

Miss the days when we were one of the Big 5s not sure how many still remembered those days. Then we feared no one

 

[gerishep]

No offer can be made directly to Poch. Any initial approach must be made through official channels, and that means through Daniel Levy, so good luck with that!

What I really hate is that nobody inside the club will come clean with the fanbase and put their minds at rest, that all this stuff in the press is pure speculation, no approaches have been made, none will be invited, Pochettino has only just signed another five year deal and there really is nothing to worry about as he has already committed himself to delivering our project.

I'm afraid there are millions of Spurs fans around the world who are going to be subjected to SIX MONTHS of the wildest speculation from all and sundry, with absolutely no basis in any truth and by the end of it all, our poor brains are going to be frazzled. Why should we be made to endure such absolute bollocks for that long?

I for one hope United under Solskjaer do really well and at he end of the season they offer the job to him. After all, he'd be a darn sight cheaper and they already know, he'd jump at the chance.

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Bale went in the end.

 

[vegassd]

No offer can be made directly to Poch. Any initial approach must be made through official channels, and that means through Daniel Levy, so good luck with that!

What I really hate is that nobody inside the club will come clean with the fanbase and put their minds at rest, that all this stuff in the press is pure speculation, no approaches have been made, none will be invited, Pochettino has only just signed another five year deal and there really is nothing to worry about as he has already committed himself to delivering our project.

I'm afraid there are millions of Spurs fans around the world who are going to be subjected to SIX MONTHS of the wildest speculation from all and sundry, with absolutely no basis in any truth and by the end of it all, our poor brains are going to be frazzled. Why should we be made to endure such absolute bollocks for that long?.

Just ignore it mate. It’s not hard.

 

[Joeyboey]

If we offered him a new contract every time one of the top clubs comes calling we would increase his wages every 6 months.

Yep ??

 

[1882andallthat]

No one says no to Manchester United.

I'm saying no to Man Utd ! Does anyone else want to say no to Man Utd ?

 

[rez9000]

Good question.

This thread appears to have a lot of amateur accountants. Same as the media. Spouting stuff they don't really understand.

I'll try and explain how things might work.

"Investment" covers a whole slew of types of money. The most basic is Ordinary Shares, that define who owns the company, controls the AGM votes, and ultimately receives the shareholder value via dividends or sale of the company. The Ordinary Shares are owned by ENIC (Joe Lewis and Daniel Levy) with a balance (15%?) owned by loads of small shareholders, basically Spurs fans, who've owned them for years (I bought mine mid-80s when we floated).

If Joe Lewis "invested" say £100m for new Ordinary Shares, he'd expect to get an even bigger percentage of the company. If he did it through ENIC, it's a question of whether Daniel can match his money to keep his own % share the same? Or ENIC could maybe borrow money to invest? It's complex and there are many variables. Too many to discuss here. The point is an injection of new money via Ordinary Shares (what's called a Rights Issue) is possible but seems unlikely.

Unless it's an agreed 'offer' whereby a new party (say a US, Asian or middle eastern investor) buys say £100m worth of new Spurs shares and receives a minority stake in the Club / company. So £100m would get you 10% (I'm simplifying to make maths easy, if we value Spurs at £1 billion).

Much MORE likely is that the "investment" comes in the form of something other than Ordinary Shares.

1. It could be debt. Some kind of loan. But given that the Club / Company has already borrowed substantially from banks to fund the new stadium it's unlikely. Our 'gearing' (ratio of Shares to Debt, simply put) might start to be stretched, leaving aside the borrowing costs (interest, etc.) of more debt. Even if Joe Lewis was prepared to lend £100m (instead of getting £100m worth of new shares) a combination of financial factors, accounting rules and FFP, make that something the directors of the Club might not be able to consider.

2. It could be a hybrid type of finance between equity (Ordinary Shares) and debt (loan). This includes Preference or 'B' Shares. I don't have time to try and explain here now but they don't give the same 'voting' or 'ownership' rights as Ordinary Shares but don't count as loans either. If there are buyers out there, this type of finance is possible.

3. Personally I think the Stadium Rights deal is the most likely kind of "investment" we'll get in 2019. I've seen posts here saying "Levy must get off his butt and do a deal". Incredibly naïve. Levy could do a naming rights deal any time. If he was prepared to do a crap deal. But once signed, a naming rights deal can't be unsigned for 10+ years (often longer). The money would be fixed, give or take. The stadium would be named. Any other interest from other companies would disappear. So Levy's been holding out for as good a deal as possible (which should surprise nobody who's familiar with the man). He's been waiting for people to be able to see the finished stadium, for greater clarity about Wembley/NFL etc., probably for the World economic situation to become more positive. He's playing high stakes poker. He wants the stadium sponsor to pay what he thinks the rights are worth (a lot).

We are lucky in that Pochettino is a very intelligent man. He studied business after his playing career. I think one of the reasons he gets on with Levy is that he can speak the same language. He's not a moaner (unlike many top managers) who just wants more and more money to spend on players. He doesn't think like most journos and pundits (and many fans).

Equally, (I suspect) he doesn't want his intelligence and loyalty to be taken for granted. He knows that the gap to Man City will be hard to bridge without more money. His difference with Levy is about 'courage' not principle. Read his book. Poch is a man for whom bravery is paramount. That's why we play out from the back and press high, and risk mistakes and counter-attacks. Levy is different. He's responsible for a historic Club. He won't do a Ridsdale and bet the Club for a bit of glory. But the idea that Levy is just a bean counter obsessed with caution just isn't supported by the facts of nearly two decades. In short, the men are nowhere near as different as cliché might make it appear.

Brilliant post!

 

[GMI]

I'm saying no to Man Utd ! Does anyone else want to say no to Man Utd ?

I’m saying no to Man Utd and so is my wife..

 

[ardiles]

In the 4.5 years that he has been with the club, Poch has put in a lot of effort to improve the squad and raise our status in the league and in Europe. During this time, I’m sure his target was to try to help us win the title and/or CL.

If he joins United, then he has to help his new employers win trophies and in doing so, diminish our chances (and thus waste his earlier efforts) of winning titles / cups.

Throughout his managerial career (at all his clubs), he has not shown that he is the type of manager that thrives only if he is given huge sums to buy expensive players.

He has been with us for some time now and is aware of how this club is run (under Levy) and also of our current financial constraints (especially with regard to the new stadium). If he was uneasy about the whole situation, I doubt that he would have signed the contract extension.

Despite all the anti- Spurs reports , I still believe that Poch will be with us next season.

 

[Trees]

Surprisingly the Moose (TS) is talking A LOT on sense regarding Poch

I think he generally does actually.

 

[rez9000]

Ba

Banning journalists from news conferences is not a good look for any organsation. Just say no questions will be answered and they will get bored of it eventually.

Indeed. Remember the furore when Matthew Norman was banned? It didn't look good for the club.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I'm saying no to Man Utd ! Does anyone else want to say no to Man Utd ?

#MeToo

 

[Thewobbler]

There is a lot of work to do to get man utd back to the powerhouse they once were on the pitch. It is a mouthwatering job. Im not worrying about anything until the season is over. Poch seems very professional and will crack on with the task at hand.

 

[JCRD]

I'm saying no to Man Utd ! Does anyone else want to say no to Man Utd ?

I'm gonna be honest, I could do with the cash.

 

[rez9000]

Coming out and denying the rumours won’t make them go away, you only give them credibility by responding.
If Poch came out and said “I am not interested”, you then get Man U to offer record salary/transfer budget to Poch to convince him blah blah blah. Then you get the pundits, “you don’t turn down those sums, “Spurs couldn’t match that!” etc. It then goes on.
How many times has Harry Kane said how committed is to Spurs? But they still print the stories, the pundits still think he is off if Madrid came in for him.
Poch has said so so so many times over the last 5 years how happy is at Spurs, and yet they still print the stories (leaving that bit out obviously).
Also you can’t predict the future as Poch says. For argument sake, say he falls out with Levy, it could happen, Man U then looks more appealing but he ruled out, he would look like an absolute dick!
He is not leaving! We all deep down know that because as Spurs fans we actually listen to what he says and we know how he behaves. The pundits know what they know, and the press need a really good story that’s there job!
Another thing, what is saying to Harry and Co who love him for the way he treats them and his values of the team, that they have bought into. Look at Kyle Walker he would be the biggest hypocrite, surely he is not lying to them? I am sure Harry has asked him, what’s going on gaffer?

One thing is for sure if Levy gets a sniff that he is thinking of taking the job he will be out. Man U is currently a rival, he would not want there manager anywhere near our squad! Tap tap.
But he is staying, so worry not!

I don't fully share your confidence, bacon. I guess I'm a bit too long in the tooth now to fully shake off the 90s Spurs pessimism. But I can't fault your passionate optimism, so you get a 'Winner' from me.

 

[Hazelton]

Our press officer is boss!!

If I knew Daniel Levy was watching me and judging my ability to stop negative speculation, I'd tell my own mum to shut the fuck up.

 

[ziggy]

Think of the fun the press will have leading up to the Man U game

 

[Nocando]

Journo getting a fair amount of jip on twitter...

https://mobile.twitter.com/1MickyHazard