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luptic

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Time for a complete rest for the squad for me, get through the Cardiff match then play the under 21's plus Lorente against Tranmere.
 

Hercules

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We beat Everton away 6-2 with those same FBs....what a disaster that was too.:rolleyes:
Changes nothing for me. If you really believe they are of the desired standard, then you are welcomed. I can live with Davis as alternative CH, but not FB. Tripps-nah to anything.

If we have aspirations to win titles, we need to look on citeh and Liverpool. Look on their FB’s, and then compare, before we move into midfield ?
 

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Changes nothing for me. If you really believe they are of the desired standard, then you are welcomed. I can live with Davis as alternative CH, but not FB. Tripps-nah to anything.

If we have aspirations to win titles, we need to look on citeh and Liverpool. Look on their FB’s, and then compare, before we move into midfield ?

Just picking up on your point that it would be a disaster in ANY game, which it certainly wasn't the case in that game.

Btw , yesterdays goals were from a corner and the other two from Wolves players running through our central areas in the heart of our defence, not really Tripps or Davies fault.

Goals change opinions, and to alot of posters on here who don't really understand football get carried away with blame, ...and blaming for the sake of blaming , for example.........
Bournmouth missed alot of chances that exposed us just as much as Wolves did , and Rose and KPW were playing, Bournmouth miss their chances our forwards are clinical on the day and our fullbacks on that day escape criticism.
 

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Well, you'd think that maybe the next two or three transfer windows are going to be very illuminating on that front. Not that long ago I suggested we're fast approaching the point where Levy has to shit or get off the pot and nothing has changed.

Nick Nack faces his High Noon. Soon.


I posted this in the other thread but it's relevant here.

Anyone else worried that our golden era may pass us by without us winning a title?

There is absolutely no disputing that our golden era is currently happening. When you look at our history, this is the best era since the 60s. In fact it's surpassing it with regards to league consistency.

Yet we are facing the very real possibility that Leicester, Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool will have won titles in the seasons where we have been one of the best teams in the league but never the best.

In Liverpool's case we have seen a side who were consistently below us in the table, go out and sign a couple of players and will likely go on to win the league. Which for me is the most sickening one out of all of them because they have done exactly what we should have done. Our time to go for it and win a title, show some proper ambition is now whilst we have a squad capable of it, we just needed some extra investment to help and we could have made history.

Unfortunately as we have seen with Arsenal, the new stadium we have which I feel has made people fans included, lose focus with the football side, it doesn't mean anything for on the pitch success. Unless you have a billionaire sheik who spends 1 billion on making you champions, football is completely cyclical. We will never again have another striker like Kane at Spurs, if anyone doesn't believe our best chance of winning a title is now, then you are deluded. With the likes of Eriksen, Alli, Son, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, we had the foundation to win a title, but I feel we may miss our chance.

We are already on the cusp of losing it, if Eriksen leaves, and Alderwerield leaves, we are losing two world class players, which will make winning the league in future seasons less likely than it is now. To replace these players with Levy'd budget is impossible.

To be completely frank, I just don't see how the new stadium is going to be the game changer many think it is. It will be amazing for us fans, but it won't change the fact Levy needs and needed to pump about 100 million into this team to give Poch a shot at winning a leaue title with this group of players.

By the time the stadium is paid off, Kane will be retired, and there is every likelihood we will be like Arsenal are now post Henry (but without the titles they won when he was their star striker), which is miles away from winning a league, and best we can hope for is top 4.

I know many fans are happy because in the context of history, CL football and top 4 consistency is amazing, but I feel the opportunity to go for a title has been so so within our grasp the last few years but Levy has let the opportunity slide by not investing enough in the first team.

You could almost say building the new stadium has come at the exact wrong time. Imagine what we could be doing now if we stayed at WHL, pumped 100 million in this team, there is every single chance we could be winning a league title this season,, doing exactly what Liverpool are doing with Poch in charge. It saddens me greatly that we may be wasting a chance to win something with this golden era. And no I don't mean a poxy League Cup, that doesn't cut it.

WHL would be rocking with this team. Unfortunately, in a really typical Spurs type of way, the new stadium build has handicapped the club at such a wrong time, because its meant we can't strengthen the squad just when it needed it, to allow us to make history and win a league. Instead, we've not been able to strengthen, and our opportunity may pass us by. Make no mistake, Liverpool winning the league should make everyone at Spurs feel ashamed. Because we have been ahead of them for years and years, but Levy failed to strengthen on the pitch when he could have done to give us that push.
 

shelfboy68

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I posted this in the other thread but it's relevant here.

Anyone else worried that our golden era may pass us by without us winning a title?

There is absolutely no disputing that our golden era is currently happening. When you look at our history, this is the best era since the 60s. In fact it's surpassing it with regards to league consistency.

Yet we are facing the very real possibility that Leicester, Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool will have won titles in the seasons where we have been one of the best teams in the league but never the best.

In Liverpool's case we have seen a side who were consistently below us in the table, go out and sign a couple of players and will likely go on to win the league. Which for me is the most sickening one out of all of them because they have done exactly what we should have done. Our time to go for it and win a title, show some proper ambition is now whilst we have a squad capable of it, we just needed some extra investment to help and we could have made history.

Unfortunately as we have seen with Arsenal, the new stadium we have which I feel has made people fans included, lose focus with the football side, it doesn't mean anything for on the pitch success. Unless you have a billionaire sheik who spends 1 billion on making you champions, football is completely cyclical. We will never again have another striker like Kane at Spurs, if anyone doesn't believe our best chance of winning a title is now, then you are deluded. With the likes of Eriksen, Alli, Son, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, we had the foundation to win a title, but I feel we may miss our chance.

We are already on the cusp of losing it, if Eriksen leaves, and Alderwerield leaves, we are losing two world class players, which will make winning the league in future seasons less likely than it is now. To replace these players with Levy'd budget is impossible.

To be completely frank, I just don't see how the new stadium is going to be the game changer many think it is. It will be amazing for us fans, but it won't change the fact Levy needs and needed to pump about 100 million into this team to give Poch a shot at winning a leaue title with this group of players.

By the time the stadium is paid off, Kane will be retired, and there is every likelihood we will be like Arsenal are now post Henry (but without the titles they won when he was their star striker), which is miles away from winning a league, and best we can hope for is top 4.

I know many fans are happy because in the context of history, CL football and top 4 consistency is amazing, but I feel the opportunity to go for a title has been so so within our grasp the last few years but Levy has let the opportunity slide by not investing enough in the first team.

You could almost say building the new stadium has come at the exact wrong time. Imagine what we could be doing now if we stayed at WHL, pumped 100 million in this team, there is every single chance we could be winning a league title this season,, doing exactly what Liverpool are doing with Poch in charge. It saddens me greatly that we may be wasting a chance to win something with this golden era. And no I don't mean a poxy League Cup, that doesn't cut it.

WHL would be rocking with this team. Unfortunately, in a really typical Spurs type of way, the new stadium build has handicapped the club at such a wrong time, because its meant we can't strengthen the squad just when it needed it, to allow us to make history and win a league. Instead, we've not been able to strengthen, and our opportunity may pass us by. Make no mistake, Liverpool winning the league should make everyone at Spurs feel ashamed. Because we have been ahead of them for years and years, but Levy failed to strengthen on the pitch when he could have done to give us that push.
I guess levy is gambling on sacrificing the short term versus the long term which the latter will bring and hopes that the team can hang in there whilst remaining fairly competitive.
I'm not convinced that the club can or will win the league but top four is the best that we can achieve so on that basis we are at our peak.
 

Hercules

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Just picking up on your point that it would be a disaster in ANY game, which it certainly wasn't the case in that game.

Btw , yesterdays goals were from a corner and the other two from Wolves players running through our central areas in the heart of our defence, not really Tripps or Davies fault.

Goals change opinions, and to alot of posters on here who don't really understand football get carried away with blame, ...and blaming for the sake of blaming , for example.........
Bournmouth missed alot of chances that exposed us just as much as Wolves did , and Rose and KPW were playing, Bournmouth miss their chances our forwards are clinical on the day and our fullbacks on that day escape criticism.
I respect your views. We always look liable, I agree etc. If we were not so easy to pick off due to lack of pace in our wide areas, it would go a long way. Klopp said couple years ago; to play the system he wants, which is aggressive, he needs his defenders to cover pace across the back line. That sums it up for me.
 

Col_M

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I came in here thinking it would be a secret sex club, I was right, a masochistic asphyxiating group hellBent in getting rid of the manager and defence, sell the stadium and become hermits hunting magic mushrooms.
 
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I came in here thinking it would be a secret sex club, I was right, a masochistic asphyxiating group hellBent in getting rid of the manager and defence, sell the stadium and become hermits hunting magic mushrooms.
Mate, we're at our peak, what more did you expect ... :ROFLMAO:
 

rossdapep

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It's because under Poch's system, fullbacks play high up the pitch and are required to get back and defend. It requires a tremendous amount of effort and makes them susceptible to injuries.

He's been doing that consistently since he got here.
I think most people's crutch is that it seems to be every game. When we had Rose and Walker he only really ever did it when it was really necessary.

I hope that by February he settles on Rose & Aurier/KWP. It's our best combibation and that's where the dynamism is.
 

rossdapep

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I understand that part but so do Madrid, Barca, Juve etc. look at Liverpool too, I don’t see Robertson and ta getting rotated on a regular basis unless injured.
Totally agree. Successful teams don't rotate as often. Sure, we need to protect, for example every time we have a run of 5 games in quick succession, give someone a rest up. But you should be playing your best fb combo as regularly as you can. Although in Poch's defence Aurier and Rose have had long lay offs.
 

allatsea

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I think most people's crutch is that it seems to be every game. When we had Rose and Walker he only really ever did it when it was really necessary.

I hope that by February he settles on Rose & Aurier/KWP. It's our best combibation and that's where the dynamism is.

That isn't correct though is it ? Poch was regularly swapping Walker with Tripps and Rose with Davies.
 

JacoZA

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Scene:
Tottenham, known for their good form over the busy festive period due to Poch's squad management and the team's rigorous fitness preparation, lose one game...

Fans: "Poch is clueless"
Narrator: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

thinktank

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But we are already aware of Trippier’s defensive weaknesses when playing a back four. What have we got to lose if KWP started as our RB for this game?

KWP needs more game time to improve. He’s played well in most of the cameos that he has been given in the last two seasons.

If he isn’t given opportunities to play against the mid table (or higher) sides, how would he be tested?

Not the game to run a discovery exercise on KWP's defensive capabilities.

We only used one sub yesterday. If KWP started and was overawed, Poch could have replaced him during the match.

Again, starting him wouldn't have been wise yesterday. Remember, poch was a defender and he's fully aware that KWP isn't ready to start over tripps in a game like that when we're trying to push the league leaders.

As we saw, wolves are a tough, dogged, determined outfit and can be bastards when they have the bit between their teeth.

Tbvh, KWP is suspect at the back imo and needs careful attention and very specific, gentle incorporation into the team.

He does need minutes, i agree, but yesterday wasn't the one.
 

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That isn't correct though is it ? Poch was regularly swapping Walker with Tripps and Rose with Davies.
Not at the rate he changes them now. Walker and Rose would play every week without fail, only over xmas, when walker went against Poch or a cup game did they get more starts.
 

allatsea

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Not at the rate he changes them now. Walker and Rose would play every week without fail, only over xmas, when walker went against Poch or a cup game did they get more starts.
I stand by what I said. Poch appears to be changing them a lot at the moment but they have all been injured except KWP.
 
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