The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[WiganSpur]

Quite the overreaction in here, it's not Poch's fault we are so stretched in CM. He's already kept our season running by turning water into wine with Sissoko.

Yes he needs to round out his in game management (partly why I think staying here is the right option for him) but I'm not getting the pitchforks out. He had 3 of his top DMs out. He can't control Dier needing his appendix out at the worst possible time!

Wolves are no mugs either. Beat Chelsea, held City, Goons and Utd. They have some decent players, I'd take Neves in a heartbeat.

We are lucky to have Poch, no need to harshly criticise IMO. Yes if we had Mourinho we may have nicked a domestic cup along the way but no way we do as well in the league. Not many could replicate Poch's work under the same circumstances. Plus Mourinho is a ticking time bomb.

Liverpool are living proof of what serious backing can achieve when a manager is doing a good job. I pray Levy finds a way to do the same for Poch, then let's see what happens.

As long as we are reasonably competitive and we are finishing in the top 4, criticism of the manager and of the players' mentality is all a moot point until we have a balanced squad with the adequate strength in depth. We still don't have it. We are 1/2 midfield players short and we could do with another decent forward as well.

It's objectively obvious that Pochettino is a good manager, and the amount of comeback wins and last minute wins we've had over the past few years shows that the mentality is mostly right.

 

[shelfboy68]

Quite the overreaction in here, it's not Poch's fault we are so stretched in CM. He's already kept our season running by turning water into wine with Sissoko.

Yes he needs to round out his in game management (partly why I think staying here is the right option for him) but I'm not getting the pitchforks out. He had 3 of his top DMs out. He can't control Dier needing his appendix out at the worst possible time!

Wolves are no mugs either. Beat Chelsea, held City, Goons and Utd. They have some decent players, I'd take Neves in a heartbeat.

We are lucky to have Poch, no need to harshly criticise IMO. Yes if we had Mourinho we may have nicked a domestic cup along the way but no way we do as well in the league. Not many could replicate Poch's work under the same circumstances. Plus Mourinho is a ticking time bomb.

Liverpool are living proof of what serious backing can achieve when a manager is doing a good job. I pray Levy finds a way to do the same for Poch, then let's see what happens.

You can pray all you want but levy will not give poch resources like klopp has had,different owners with different objectives and ambitions from what we have.

 

[HW61]

Comments on here saying Poch sometimes talks shit. Really? Some need real perspective. How he has got us where we are so far, with no support to enhance the squad and continued games at soulless wembley is astonishing. The loss today was crap but Poch’s assessment seems fair to me.

Just need some realism.

 

[shelfboy68]

Comments on here saying Poch sometimes talks shit. Really? Some need real perspective. How he has got us where we are so far, with no support to enhance the squad and continued games at soulless wembley is astonishing. The loss today was crap but Poch’s assessment seems fair to me.

Just need some realism.

Agree there is a lot of unhappy people on here tonight following this disastrous and unacceptable result, but I can't see why anyone would say that poch talks shit he has done a great job working with the tight financial constraints imposed on him.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Poch has done a great job at this club but his stubbornness with certain players wont last at an "elite" club if he goes..... he gets away with it at Spurs as we love him but playing Trippier for example constantly is a real weakness from our manager.
If he goes to Utd in the summer I wish him well but he wont last unless he changes his stance on the constant rotation of his full backs and playing shit players week in week out.
Think David Moyes, Poch - If you consider leaving..!
Watching Pool tonight, they have played same defence/team every game for weeks, no rotation and look at where they are? why cant our players cope with it?

You may find some of the Liverpool players cannot cope with it if they keep playing every game. Long way to go yet.

 

[jurgen]

Quite the overreaction in here, it's not Poch's fault we are so stretched in CM. He's already kept our season running by turning water into wine with Sissoko.

Yes he needs to round out his in game management (partly why I think staying here is the right option for him) but I'm not getting the pitchforks out. He had 3 of his top DMs out. He can't control Dier needing his appendix out at the worst possible time!

Wolves are no mugs either. Beat Chelsea, held City, Goons and Utd. They have some decent players, I'd take Neves in a heartbeat.

We are lucky to have Poch, no need to harshly criticise IMO. Yes if we had Mourinho we may have nicked a domestic cup along the way but no way we do as well in the league. Not many could replicate Poch's work under the same circumstances. Plus Mourinho is a ticking time bomb.

Liverpool are living proof of what serious backing can achieve when a manager is doing a good job. I pray Levy finds a way to do the same for Poch, then let's see what happens.

Mourinho would probably last 1 transfer window with Levy so it's a moot point really.

I still think we have the best manager in the league. If he had added a £75m level midfielder to address a big weakness in the team, like Liverpool did with surgical precision and lots of TV money, then we'd be right up there like they are. Instead he got a big fat zero and some crossed fingers hoping he could do it all over again.

 

[Dov67]

We have lost a QUARTER of our games. That isn't now and again. That's a standard where you will NOT win the title and should be happy if you're in the top 4

until this week, did you have an expectation of winning the title?

If we do NOT win the title this year, would you consider this to be a poor season, one of underachievement?

 

[Dov67]

True, every manager or team can make mistakes or have an off-day.

But those two managers you've listed have a cabinet full of trophies, so they obviously know how to 'game-manage' the most crucial games in a season.

Poch, on the other hand, has never won a trophy and is starting to get a reputation of failing to see critical games out; games where we're ahead, and/or against opposition that is 'inferior' to us.

You can say 'forget about it and move on', but what are we moving onto? We're moving onto the same again, season in and season out.

It's really frustrating!!

well, thats exactly my point. Two managers who have 20 league titles and 4 or 5 champions leagues between them and still their teams managed to shit the bed every so often.

what else is there to do but be honest about what went wrong (passing, energy etc), seek to address it, move on and make sure you win the next game and then the one after that.

the alternative is we obsess about 1 game and run around with our hair on fire.

 

[Phomesy]

I’m sorry but you give José this team and I promise we don’t lose tofay and I also think we have more things in our trophy cabinets.


Poch is in danger of ruining his hard work and reputation here there’s a dark cloud coming for this club.

Your argument is compelling.

Stupid.

But compelling.

I’m sorry but you give José this team and I promise we don’t lose tofay and I also think we have more things in our trophy cabinets.


Poch is in danger of ruining his hard work and reputation here there’s a dark cloud coming for this club.

Did SC just reset to 2008 and i didn't notice?

 

[Phomesy]

We have lost a QUARTER of our games. That isn't now and again. That's a standard where you will NOT win the title and should be happy if you're in the top 4

It's not about win/loss, it's about points. And we've got our best points total undr Poch and in the Prem League ever.

Seriously... Have peoples minds turned to mush after one loss? We NEVER expected to have this many points at this stage of the year. It's a fucking miracle of our staff and players that we've achieved this points total given the situation.

Ffs

 

[DCSPUR]

It's not about win/loss, it's about points. And we've got our best points total undr Poch and in the Prem League ever.

Seriously... Have peoples minds turned to mush after one loss? We NEVER expected to have this many points at this stage of the year. It's a fucking miracle of our staff and players that we've achieved this points total given the situation.

Ffs

Well done mate but the nutters are out in force....i am retreating from SC until Cardiff - COYS!!! #inPochImustcertainlytrust

 

[piedpiper]

Do people see what I was saying with Toby now? The title is gone. We have at best a 5% chance of winning the CL*. And the other two trophies have at best only a slight impact on our prospects of growing, staying at the top table, and winning major trophies in the future. If we can secure an extra £15m to £25m instead of keeping him for another 25 games, I think we should take that and reinvest, and wouldn't assume it was a case of Levy selling behind Poch's back.

*If you assume we have a 50% chance in each round, that's 6.25% over four remaining rounds. I'd wager in the latter rounds against City, Barca, Juve etc we're less than 50%, hence 4-5% overall.

We halfway through the season, we have cup games to compete in, as it stands we closer to 5th place than we are to 1st. Simply put we not "guaranteed " 4th place. So no, its nonsensical to suggest we cash in on Toby for the benefit of an additional £15 million.

Surely you can see that qualifying for the CL next season with our best defender aiding that course is far greater financially? The CL riches is greater than an additional £15 million to be made in selling our best defender.

 

[beats1]

You can pray all you want but levy will not give poch resources like klopp has had,different owners with different objectives and ambitions from what we have.

People quote the fact Levy hasn't given Poch the resources that Klopp has but its worth noting that Poch had a much better team than Klopp did have.

Yeah klopp spent a lot of money but he needed that money to catch up to us

Also Klopp isn't exactly someone who has everything he wants. You look at their squad and they have holes in their squad. Outside of Robertson(who Klopp has developed a lot) and Van Dyke, their defence isn't great and they haven't been able to get a striker to fit their system and instead developed their system without a striker as Sturridge and Origi weren't reliable whilst developing Firmino to fit the false 9.

Levy could have done more and invested more but Poch whilst being the best manager we have had in a very long time still imo has a lot to prove. If Liverpool win this year, they will have done what we should have done 3 years ago

 

[Supersi32]

well, thats exactly my point. Two managers who have 20 league titles and 4 or 5 champions leagues between them and still their teams managed to shit the bed every so often.

what else is there to do but be honest about what went wrong (passing, energy etc), seek to address it, move on and make sure you win the next game and then the one after that.

the alternative is we obsess about 1 game and run around with our hair on fire.

Totally agree....Poch has worked wonders managing the squad this season, even Klopp spoke about it...recently we've gotten a result at the Nou Camp, won at the Emirates and had a really good run in the PL...we had an off day today for whatever reason, it's disappointing for sure but it happens, Wolves have decent quality.....as you say even the best, and I'm talking about Man City, a team that I've heard lauded by many pundits as the best side the PL has ever seen have lost 3 of their last 4 league games......we dust down and go again against Cardiff, talk of legends is ridiculous....

 

[ardiles]

I agree poch can be stubborn af, but wrong game for KWP.

He got MoM for his progressive play but wasn't tested defensively in the last game and is still a bit undercooked in that regard.

Our full back situation is in need of attention ,though, generally.

But we are already aware of Trippier’s defensive weaknesses when playing a back four. What have we got to lose if KWP started as our RB for this game?

KWP needs more game time to improve. He’s played well in most of the cameos that he has been given in the last two seasons.

If he isn’t given opportunities to play against the mid table (or higher) sides, how would he be tested?

We only used one sub yesterday. If KWP started and was overawed, Poch could have replaced him during the match.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

You can pray all you want but levy will not give poch resources like klopp has had,different owners with different objectives and ambitions from what we have.

Well, you'd think that maybe the next two or three transfer windows are going to be very illuminating on that front. Not that long ago I suggested we're fast approaching the point where Levy has to shit or get off the pot and nothing has changed.

Nick Nack faces his High Noon. Soon.

 

[SugarRay]

Well, you'd think that maybe the next two or three transfer windows are going to be very illuminating on that front. Not that long ago I suggested we're fast approaching the point where Levy has to shit or get off the pot and nothing has changed.

Nick Nack faces his High Noon. Soon.

Hopefully it’s not all too late though.

Seemingly Toby, Eriksen, Dembele and Wanyama will be gone in the summer. We need reinforcements even with them staying, so suddenly we’ve gone from needing 2 in to needing 5 in.

If Eriksen goes, I think we could be fucked. It’s not like Coutinho leaving Liverpool and them ending up stronger for it. I can’t see this set up taking that aggressive approach.

The chances missed over the last few years will be looked back at for a looooooooooong time I think.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Hopefully it’s not all too late though.

Seemingly Toby, Eriksen, Dembele and Wanyama will be gone in the summer. We need reinforcements even with them staying, so suddenly we’ve gone from needing 2 in to needing 5 in.

If Eriksen goes, I think we could be fucked. It’s not like Coutinho leaving Liverpool and them ending up stronger for it. I can’t see this set up taking that aggressive approach.

The chances missed over the last few years will be looked back at for a looooooooooong time I think.

That only reads as needing three, thing is it's the three being of the top standard. It also means the team will have to evolve as replacing like for like these days only happens if you're a Real, Barca and to some degree Bayern.

I agree investment is needed, like it was in the summer.

I don't think I'll be looking back at the missed chances considering the financial constraints our manager has faced, more so I'll look upon it as the great achievement it has been competing at the very top and why he is now rightly recognized within the game as being a top manager and why every team and their tea lady wants him.

 

[EastLondonYid]

I have never been a Tripps fan. I can make do with Davis (if I have to-not!), but to play 2 snails in your wide areas in any game is a disaster. Remember the days of Walker & Rose. That is what we need. So I would of persevered with KWP, after last week

We beat Everton away 6-2 with those same FBs....what a disaster that was too.

 

[Danny1]

What the hell am I reading in here haha! Maybe it’s just me but I think we are having an amazing season so far! Result yesterday was a bit Spursy (I hate that term) however we will move on!