The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[shelfboy68]

Do you think Pep could have done a better job than Poch at our club with less financial resources than Man City?

He would never come to us so it's not an argument to be had really but I think he would have us playing more incisive football yes.

 

[shelfboy68]

disagree
as does red nose who knows a thing or two about managers
perhaps compare the two when Pep has done something without Messi, inherited a treble winning team in Munich (and deliberately weakened his opponent using financial power or comes to England and spends 100s of millions on top of a 1 billion pound team.

some how think that Poch, say "only" the money spent by Chelsea or Arse would have converted the last 2 seasons into 1-2 titles

Our team is hardly a set of paupers is it poch is a good manager and I like him he has done ok with us, but pep I believe is on another level but that doesn't mean I want rid of poch because I don't.

 

[kmk]

He would never come to us so it's not an argument to be had really but I think he would have us playing more incisive football yes.

Hmm, I'm no sure how you can then say that Poch will never be at Guardiola's level when Poch has never managed the strongest squad of players in the leagues.

 

[shelfboy68]

Hmm, I'm no sure how you can then say that Poch will never be at Guardiola's level when Poch has never managed the strongest squad of players in the leagues.

Like I said it's not a situation that will ever happen because he won't drop to our level but more one of opinion isn't it but both are very good manager's imo.

 

[Chimbo!]

I’m just disappointed at how far behind we looked yesterday, obviously the table suggests we aren’t anywhere near their level but I thought we would’ve at least put up a fight. I found myself wanting to give a slap to the players that I was worshipping last year. I don’t know if I’m being fickle or it’s because I know we are capable of so much more. About half of their players were playing in last year’s games where we comfortably beat them at WHL and drew at City. There’s no way the likes of Walker, Delph, Ederson and Mangala are the game-changers from last season. I guess missing our best CB and CDM hurt us but I think it’s more the fact the players weren’t up for it and we got it tactically wrong.

I think your concerns are very fair. It is telling that the teams don’t differ too much in personnel from last year.

But maybe that helps explain it. In the cycle of a team ours is older while City are hitting their stride. Our players are no worse individually but collectively they haven’t improved; they’ve hit a block.

Now either this drop will motivate them to dig deeper and become even better players or it won’t and the team will have to be updated with new recruits.

Contrast that with City and they have Sane and Sterling in their second season, where things are starting to click.

And perhaps what yesterday shows is that last season we played a team that was still finding its potential, while ours already had. City had already massed a better team than us; they just weren’t showing it.

Even though huge credit should go to Guardiola for his work, we must also place any judgment of our team in the context of the greater resources our opponents have. City trebled the wages of our right-back. That makes it much harder for us to compete.

 

[Japhet]

I’m just disappointed at how far behind we looked yesterday, obviously the table suggests we aren’t anywhere near their level but I thought we would’ve at least put up a fight. I found myself wanting to give a slap to the players that I was worshipping last year. I don’t know if I’m being fickle or it’s because I know we are capable of so much more. About half of their players were playing in last year’s games where we comfortably beat them at WHL and drew at City. There’s no way the likes of Walker, Delph, Ederson and Mangala are the game-changers from last season. I guess missing our best CB and CDM hurt us but I think it’s more the fact the players weren’t up for it and we got it tactically wrong.

The difference (IMO) is that when City lose a player like Silva, Guardiola has to decide whether to pick Fernando or Gondogan or Bernardo Silva. When we lose a player like Wanyama or Sanchez or Toby we have to completely reshuffle and we lost all 3 yesterday. They simply wheel another worldie off the bench.

 

[longtimespur]

The difference (IMO) is that when City lose a player like Silva, Guardiola has to decide whether to pick Fernando or Gondogan or Bernardo Silva. When we lose a player like Wanyama or Sanchez or Toby we have to completely reshuffle and we lost all 3 yesterday. They simply wheel another worldie off the bench.

Hmmm I sometimes wonder how this Pep geezer is such a great coach

 

[shelfboy68]

I think your concerns are very fair. It is telling that the teams don’t differ too much in personnel from last year.

But maybe that helps explain it. In the cycle of a team ours is older while City are hitting their stride. Our players are no worse individually but collectively they haven’t improved; they’ve hit a block.

Now either this drop will motivate them to dig deeper and become even better players or it won’t and the team will have to be updated with new recruits.

Contrast that with City and they have Sane and Sterling in their second season, where things are starting to click.

And perhaps what yesterday shows is that last season we played a team that was still finding its potential, while ours already had. City had already massed a better team than us; they just weren’t showing it.

Even though huge credit should go to Guardiola for his work, we must also place any judgment of our team in the context of the greater resources our opponents have. City trebled the wages of our right-back. That makes it much harder for us to compete.

That's the problem right there as we didn't compete yesterday we were a shambles no defensive discipline and backwards and sideways passing that hurts no one.

 

[St José Dominguez]

I don't think we were battered because of the wage bill or squad depth yesterday. They didn't even have their joint best player playing. We had no right to get anything but we were slaughtered and that was because of how we set up and prepared, the lack of pressing and a shambolic show of mentality from all the players. It could easily have been 7-1 and there's no way player for player yesterday that's reflective.

They had Mangala and Delph in defence and we offered no attacking threat at all despite having Kane, Dele, Eriksen and Son on the pitch. If it was basketball type game and we looked dangerous but still got hammered I could accept it, they did a number on us in attack, midfield and defence and with what we had on the pitch it was embarrassing.

 

[yankspurs]

For as good as a manager he is, his in game management is among the worst in the league. Cant change a game, cant make the obvious subs that are so visibly needed from the first 10 minutes, and routinely waits entirely too long to make a necessary sub. And that is the difference between Poch and guys like Mourinho, Pep, Conte, Klopp. They arent afraid to pull anyone before halftime while Poch is afraid to pull someone before the 75th minute.

 

[coys200]

For sure 3 of the goals came from sloppy mistakes as have most we’ve conceded this season. We’ve rarely been carved open by great football.
1. The corner
2. Schoolboy throw in by trips
3. Not sure
4. Basically a disaster

As said can’t remember build up to 3rd but other 3 were easily preventable that’s what’s very annoying about yesterday.

 

[shelfboy68]

I don't think we were battered because of the wage bill or squad depth yesterday. They didn't even have their joint best player playing. We had no right to get anything but we were slaughtered and that was because of how we set up and prepared, the lack of pressing and a shambolic show of mentality from all the players. It could easily have been 7-1 and there's no way player for player yesterday that's reflective.

They had Mangala and Delph in defence and we offered no attacking threat at all despite having Kane, Dele, Eriksen and Son on the pitch. If it was basketball type game and we looked dangerous but still got hammered I could accept it, they did a number on us in attack, midfield and defence and with what we had on the pitch it was embarrassing.

Agree if lloris had not been in such good form we would have probably been on the end of 7/8 goal hiding and I think our players are better than that.
The set up and when in possesson was diabolical no one looked wired into the game and the tone was set with the first goal that was a shambles and so was everything that followed after.

 

[Japhet]

For as good as a manager he is, his in game management is among the worst in the league. Cant change a game, cant make the obvious subs that are so visibly needed from the first 10 minutes, and routinely waits entirely too long to make a necessary sub. And that is the difference between Poch and guys like Mourinho, Pep, Conte, Klopp. They arent afraid to pull anyone before halftime while Poch is afraid to pull someone before the 75th minute.

To be fair, Mourinho, Pep, Conte and Klopp all have much better options off the bench than we do, particularly at this precise time.

 

[Metalhead]

1. The only thing against Pep is that unlike his rival managers, he has never had to make do with more modest resources. Even Mourinho did a stunning job at Porto, which whilst they are obviously a massive club in Portugal, they are hardly a Barcelona or a Bayern Munich or a Man City with loads of resources.

 

[lukespurs7]

Poch is a good manager who has done a good at spurs but he will never be at peps level ever imo.

Agreed

 

[king26]

dier was to blame for 2 goals trip the 3rd

 

[St José Dominguez]

To be fair, Mourinho, Pep, Conte and Klopp all have much better options off the bench than we do, particularly at this precise time.

All of them would have brought on Aurier and Lamela at half time. Even shit managers would have seen what was happening down our right and either taken Trippier off or got someone out there to help him. Love Poch but his subs are 99% of the time awful choices or way, way too late.

 

[jurgen]

To be fair, Mourinho, Pep, Conte and Klopp all have much better options off the bench than we do, particularly at this precise time.

Well Klopp hooks shite defenders because he picks them despite being shite..

 

[allpaths]

But the club isn't in control...power is with the players though mate, they know this, their agents know this.
This isn't unique to us, this is the case throughout football.
Using your approach we'd have one right back, as we wouldn't have brought in Aurier without the Walker money...just cant see how this approach is remotely sensible, as I said though, its easy to say this sort of thing as a fan.

we wouldnt of had one rb since kwp would just play a more prominent role. i dont care how sensible this approach is, because football in general, let only the business/fianance side isnt sensible. sometimes to stop from being taken advantage you have to take a calculated risk.

I guess im just more frustrated bc i thought Walker would always be at spurs, as one of my first expeirences on a spurs forum way back, was arguing that a very young Walker should takeover for Hutton and Corluka after his villa/qpr loan spell. And i think if poch didnt underestimate how good walker is he'd still be at spurs flying down the right flank and Danny Rose's head wouldnt already be at old trafford.

 

[Gb160]

we wouldnt of had one rb since kwp would just play a more prominent role. i dont care how sensible this approach is, because football in general, let only the business/fianance side isnt sensible. sometimes to stop from being taken advantage you have to take a calculated risk.

I guess im just more frustrated bc i thought Walker would always be at spurs, as one of my first expeirences on a spurs forum way back, was arguing that a very young Walker should takeover for Hutton and Corluka after his villa/qpr loan spell. And i think if poch didnt underestimate how good walker is he'd still be at spurs flying down the right flank and Danny Rose's head wouldnt already be at old trafford.

It's got nothing to do with underestimating him, Walker wanted out, that's all there is to it.
Obviously you know better than Poch how things shouldve been handled so we'll just leave it there.