The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Colonel Dax]

Chelsea have sold Lukaku Salah De Bruyne matic. It happens

Not the same at all. Those players were surplus to requirements when they were sold. Walker on the other hand is the best RB in the premiership, was a key member of the best defence in the league last season and we weakened ourselves by selling him.

 

[ebzrascal]

Chelsea have sold Lukaku Salah De Bruyne matic. It happens , players leave football clubs. If they hadn’t bought walker they’d have bought someone just as good.

I think they would struggle to get someone just as good to be honest...

Chelsea have had a mare with selling young players however they do replace with equally good players which we do not..

 

[shelfboy68]

Not the same at all. Those players were surplus to requirements when they were sold. Walker on the other hand is the best RB in the premiership, was a key member of the best defence in the league last season and we weakened ourselves by selling him.

We are slightly weaker but when city come calling with big wages and his first medal you don't say no, look at him now first season title winner if he had stayed at spurs another 4/5 years he still wouldn't have won anything so you can't blame him.

 

[Colonel Dax]

We are slightly weaker but when city come calling with big wages and his first medal you don't say no, look at him now first season title winner if he had stayed at spurs another 4/5 years he still wouldn't have won anything so you can't blame him.

I agree with you there, I don't blame him.

 

[shelfboy68]

I agree with you there, I don't blame him.

Don't forget city, Utd and Chelsea are first tier sides for winning things followed by say arsenal, Liverpool and us in the second tier, I put us last as we are the least likely imo to win anything gooners can win cups and Scousers will pick something up now and again but we can't even get past a semi-final lol.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Don't forget city, Utd and Chelsea are first tier sides for winning things followed by say arsenal, Liverpool and us in the second tier, I put us last as we are the least likely imo to win anything gooners can win cups and Scousers will pick something up now and again but we can't even get past a semi-final lol.

Yep, and the new stadium won't make much difference IMO. We'll catch up with Liverpool in terms of revenue and may close the gap with Arsenal but the other three clubs will still be out of our reach.

 

[Shadydan]

Not the same at all. Those players were surplus to requirements when they were sold. Walker on the other hand is the best RB in the premiership, was a key member of the best defence in the league last season and we weakened ourselves by selling him.

Matic

 

[Archibald Leitch]

If we get in earlier, when there is a low transfer fee, we would be able to afford the wages too.

Like Sandro Ramirez for £5m? The one you thought we should take a punt on? The one being paid £120k per week?

 

[onthetwo]

We are slightly weaker but when city come calling with big wages and his first medal you don't say no, look at him now first season title winner if he had stayed at spurs another 4/5 years he still wouldn't have won anything so you can't blame him.

Dont think its that simple (as someone else pointed out) as hed just signed a new 5-year contract AND its a WC year so he could have been put in the ressies to think about it for a while. JJ also threw something in about Walker being treated like a kid rather than a senior pro so maybe there was more to it than we're privy to,

 

[Colonel Dax]

Matic

What about him?

 

[Shadydan]

What about him?

Chelsea weakened themselves by selling a key member of their team to a rival...

 

[shelfboy68]

Dont think its that simple (as someone else pointed out) as hed just signed a new 5-year contract AND its a WC year so he could have been put in the ressies to think about it for a while. JJ also threw something in about Walker being treated like a kid rather than a senior pro so maybe there was more to it than we're privy to,

Of course there is more to it than we will ever know after all we are punters just adding our two penneth to something we know fuck all about.
But it has to be said that for him it's a brilliant move guaranteed at least one medal which is more than he had won or would have won at spurs plus got a bigger pay packet, it was and is a winner winner situation for him and like I've already said you can't blame him.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Chelsea weakened themselves by selling a key member of their team to a rival...

Debatable. Matic is a good player but in the long term Bakayoko (and Kante) will be better IMO.

The perceived weakening of Chelsea is more subtle than than our situation with Walker. Walker is the best right back in the league. The jury's still out on his direct replacement Aurier and the less said about Trippier the better

 

[DCSPUR]

Debatable. Matic is a good player but in the long term Bakayoko (and Kante) will be better IMO.

The perceived weakening of Chelsea is more subtle than than our situation with Walker. Walker is the best right back in the league. The jury's still out on his direct replacement Aurier and the less said about Trippier the better

Conte disagrees: http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/09/anton...r-united-is-a-gross-loss-for-chelsea-6839657/

 

[Shadydan]

Debatable. Matic is a good player but in the long term Bakayoko (and Kante) will be better IMO.

The perceived weakening of Chelsea is more subtle than than our situation with Walker. Walker is the best right back in the league. The jury's still out on his direct replacement Aurier and the less said about Trippier the better

It's not debatable at all, Matic was one of their best and most important players last season lol

Yeah so use the same logic that you're applying to Bakayoko to Aurier about being potential long term replacements, both players were amongst the best in their respective positions and both have weakened the teams they left and strengthened the teams the went to.

 

[Colonel Dax]

It's not debatable at all, Matic was one of their best and most important players last season lol

Yeah so use the same logic that you're applying to Bakayoko to Aurier about being potential long term replacements, both players were amongst the best in their respective positions and both have weakened the teams they left and strengthened the teams the went to.

It's all subjective.

More important is the symbolic loss of Walker to a rival. People under-estimate just how much damage this sale has done to us. Chelsea can get away with selling a player to a rival. We do it and we're branded a selling club and the the remainder of our players start growing restless. I genuinely think this is a factor (along with others) that explains our poor form this season.

Anyway, we're never gonna agree on anything shadydan. We're coming from different perspectives on Spurs. I don't think they can be reconciled.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Conte disagrees: http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/09/anton...r-united-is-a-gross-loss-for-chelsea-6839657/

Check the date of the article

 

[mmillerlight]

Of course there is more to it than we will ever know after all we are punters just adding our two penneth to something we know fuck all about.
But it has to be said that for him it's a brilliant move guaranteed at least one medal which is more than he had won or would have won at spurs plus got a bigger pay packet, it was and is a winner winner situation for him and like I've already said you can't blame him.

Its not a brilliant move, thats such a shallow way to look at it. To be a part of something like a long term project where your up against the odds, have to endure a journey of struggle where if you have a bad game may be the difference to an outcome is much more fulfilling than jumping on an easy win like city. Deep down he will always know they would of won the premier league without him.

 

[shelfboy68]

Its not a brilliant move, thats such a shallow way to look at it. To be a part of something like a long term project where your up against the odds, have to endure a journey of struggle where if you have a bad game may be the difference to an outcome is much more fulfilling than jumping on an easy win like city. Deep down he will always know they would of won the premier league without him.

How is it shallow he was at spurs for nearly 9 years I think and I am grateful to his services so at 28 he had already had a journey and had nothing to show for it.
Like I say I do not begrudge him a move away to a club that can achieve all his heart desires pretty much, we should not be bitter about someone bettering themselves although 10 years ago I would never imagined going to city as bettering yourself but times change.

 

[beats1]

I have two main issues with Poch long term

1. Poch plays a similar high pressing system to Pep - who after his experience at Barcelona decided that a he couldnt manage at a club for longer than 3 seasons, as he found it too difficult to motivate his players at Barca in their fourth season to press as much and they were a bit exhausted.

Poch imo will have to overcome this and make us work. Pep meanwhile while adhering to this at Bayern may stay longer at City but at City he has the luxury to completely rebuild a brand new team every 3 seasons with the money they have.

2. Squad management - I think this is his biggest and perhaps only weakness that he hasnt addressed or even made progress. He is manager who loves a small squad and he is also a manager who overplays the squad

This only hit me recently when I was watching the San Antonio Spurs play recently, Popovic is one of the best coaches in the NBA and he is always resting his team and rotating to keep them fresh.

Now football is similar as its a sport with a crazy schedule, we dont have the benefit of only turning up in the later stages. However playing Alli and bringing on Dembele against Apoel made no sense what so ever especially the difficulties Dembele has had in his career playing 2 times in a week, that week Dembele actually played 3 times.