The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[The Doc]

I have two main issues with Poch long term

1. Poch plays a similar high pressing system to Pep - who after his experience at Barcelona decided that a he couldnt manage at a club for longer than 3 seasons, as he found it too difficult to motivate his players at Barca in their fourth season to press as much and they were a bit exhausted.

Poch imo will have to overcome this and make us work. Pep meanwhile while adhering to this at Bayern may stay longer at City but at City he has the luxury to completely rebuild a brand new team every 3 seasons with the money they have.

2. Squad management - I think this is his biggest and perhaps only weakness that he hasnt addressed or even made progress. He is manager who loves a small squad and he is also a manager who overplays the squad

This only hit me recently when I was watching the San Antonio Spurs play recently, Popovic is one of the best coaches in the NBA and he is always resting his team and rotating to keep them fresh.

Now football is similar as its a sport with a crazy schedule, we dont have the benefit of only turning up in the later stages. However playing Alli and bringing on Dembele against Apoel made no sense what so ever especially the difficulties Dembele has had in his career playing 2 times in a week, that week Dembele actually played 3 times.

1. Re: Pep leaving Barca. Believe it was more to do with the burden of managing the club and its importance to the region. There's a bit in The Times about this today, but you can find related articles elsewhere. Nothing to do with an inability to sustain the playing style.

2. Fair enough, but the "squad" options are almost always a major step down from the first choice. Whether this is a management, coaching, recruitment or reality thing is more pertinent imo.

 

[Spurs72]

You don’t sell to rivals and you only sell if you can get better we failed ok both counts by selling Walker.

I think we agree, but IMHO the Walker ship has Sailed and hopefully Poch learned.

 

[DCSPUR]

Check the date of the article

ok?

 

[Colonel Dax]

ok?

Well, that article was from 9th August (before the season began, or thereabouts?)

I said earlier, and it's just an opinion: "in the long term Bakayoko (and Kante) will be better (than Matic)".

Not sure how Conte lamenting the departure of Matic in early August 2017 contradicts that?

 

[beats1]

1. Re: Pep leaving Barca. Believe it was more to do with the burden of managing the club and its importance to the region. There's a bit in The Times about this today, but you can find related articles elsewhere. Nothing to do with an inability to sustain the playing style.

2. Fair enough, but the "squad" options are almost always a major step down from the first choice. Whether this is a management, coaching, recruitment or reality thing is more pertinent imo.

1. Nah, in the spanish press he said soon after that was the reason why he wont sign more than a 3 year contract at his subsequent clubs, of course he did find the job stressful but his thinking after barca was never more then 3 years

2. He likes his small squads and doesnt like to rotate, the drop off hasnt always been bad. Players that he trusted and used the season before have found themselves nowhere near the squad the season after. TBF our squad options have got weaker OTHER than the full backs Poch has pretty much refused rotate players consistently.

 

[DCSPUR]

Debatable. Matic is a good player but in the long term Bakayoko (and Kante) will be better IMO.

The perceived weakening of Chelsea is more subtle than than our situation with Walker. Walker is the best right back in the league. The jury's still out on his direct replacement Aurier and the less said about Trippier the better

mate, Matic was in the Premier league team of the year 2 years ago and won the title with Conte....it was a weakening not a perceived one.

Anyhow the Walker situation is done and dusted.

Anticipate Rose will be sold --- will be fine with that if we get top money and hopefully both Shaw and Sessegnon.

The one that would be a problem for me is Toby. Would want to see the club either (a) sell abroad (b) preferably, strike a deal with him where we have him for 2 more seasons at the new Lane

 

[milli.com]

Poch Is a good coach, I do see an improvement in the players (I Put a lot of that down to him improving their fitness ) but TACTICALLY I think he is VERY POOR and he puts his faith in players that are not up to the level needed. People claim his done a great job but I disagree I think if you look at are team we have very good players
KANE (TOP GOAL SCORER IN THE LEAGUE)
ROSE & WALKER (LAST YEAR THE BEST FULLBACKS IN THE LEAGUE)
ALDERVEIRER & VERTONGHEN (THE BEST CENTREBACK PAIRING IN THE LEAGUE)
DEMBELE & WANYAMA ( LAST YEAR THE BEST CENTRE MID PARING IN THE LEAGUE)
ALI (17 LEAGUE GOALS)
SON (14 LEAGUE GOALS )
ERICKSEN (GOOD PLAYER)

For me I had enough of Poch when he made that mad selection for the FA CUP semi final.
Davies had played good coming in for Rose but you bench him to play Son LWB, madness and you play Trippier ahead of Walker.
I don,t care if Walker is going or behaving spoilt you are a manger you have to manage egos.
We have not won anything for so long and we were not going to win the league which I don't blame him for, I Think chelsea
being out of Europe gave them the edge.
But for me we needed to beat them at least give us that. He broke my heart that day. Then on top of that you take SON off and put Trippier on the left and you bring Walker on because they bring on Hazard and Costa He has too much faith in average players.

If I talk about his selections 15-16 The year leicester Won the league, thats what I call overachieving all credit to the Manager I will go on all night.

RANT OVER GOODNIGHT.

 

[Colonel Dax]

mate, Matic was in the Premier league team of the year 2 years ago and won the title with Conte....it was a weakening not a perceived one.

Anyhow the Walker situation is done and dusted.

Anticipate Rose will be sold --- will be fine with that if we get top money and hopefully both Shaw and Sessegnon.

The one that would be a problem for me is Toby. Would want to see the club either (a) sell abroad (b) preferably, strike a deal with him where we have him for 2 more seasons at the new Lane

I agree with you on Toby. Selling him next summer (to a rival) would be catastrophic IMO.

Looks like Rose is going, but to be honest I'm not happy about that particularly if it's to Utd. Yes to Sessegnon as a long term option/replacement. I'm less keen on Shaw.

 

[daryl hannah]

Since he arrived, Poch has gotten more right than he's gotten wrong - The progression we've made under him is astounding - and easily brushed over. The danger is it is tempting to develop a sense of entitlement like 'that lot' down the road...

*Some* team selections and subs are poor, timing of subs etc. but on the whole, his tenure has been more than decent.

The main issue seems to be squad depth with few to no quality options off the bench. Poch doesn't seem to have much say on our transfer committee / strategy / targets / negotiation. For any manager who might be at the helm at Spurs this is my biggest concern. He must be getting 'effed-off with the sheer number of attacking flops over the last few years.

 

[The Doc]

1. Nah, in the spanish press he said soon after that was the reason why he wont sign more than a 3 year contract at his subsequent clubs, of course he did find the job stressful but his thinking after barca was never more then 3 years

2. He likes his small squads and doesnt like to rotate, the drop off hasnt always been bad. Players that he trusted and used the season before have found themselves nowhere near the squad the season after. TBF our squad options have got weaker OTHER than the full backs Poch has pretty much refused rotate players consistently.

1. Here you go. The version you're referencing first appeared in Marca I think. Obviously, no hidden agenda there....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/17855980

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Poch TACTICALLY I think he is VERY POOR

RANT OVER GOODNIGHT.

He is not "very poor". That's like saying all apples always produce poor apple juice. Pochettino has shown that he is tactically very clever, at times. Then other times, he messes it up worse than a Championship manager. So he is inconsistent, but he certainly isn't poor, his highs tactically are very high.

 

[Mullers]

Like Sandro Ramirez for £5m? The one you thought we should take a punt on? The one being paid £120k per week?

Yep that's right better a cheap punt for 5 million than a punt for 20 million like we did with Janssen or a taking a 15 million punt on a 32 year old and like I said at the time there is no way he would get £120k with us.

 

[coys200]

What baffles me about City is how slow Poch was to react. I can almost forgive him for being brave with the high press and going toe to toe with city. But after 30 mins it was clear it wasn’t working and we were so exposed. He should have taken one of Son dele eriksen off and brought Davies on gone 3 at back. Pretty staggering he actually did nothing at half time.

 

[spursfan77]

What baffles me about City is how slow Poch was to react. I can almost forgive him for being brave with the high press and going toe to toe with city. But after 30 mins it was clear it wasn’t working and we were so exposed. He should have taken one of Son dele eriksen off and brought Davies on gone 3 at back. Pretty staggering he actually did nothing at half time.

It's not the first time we've seen it though. Liverpool away last year, Chelsea in the semi final, Man Utd away last year, Arsenal this season. It's been there in the smaller games too. Burnley and Swansea this season.

But, I don't want to use it as a stick to beat him with.

 

[yankspurs]

I have two main issues with Poch long term

1. Poch plays a similar high pressing system to Pep - who after his experience at Barcelona decided that a he couldnt manage at a club for longer than 3 seasons, as he found it too difficult to motivate his players at Barca in their fourth season to press as much and they were a bit exhausted.

Poch imo will have to overcome this and make us work. Pep meanwhile while adhering to this at Bayern may stay longer at City but at City he has the luxury to completely rebuild a brand new team every 3 seasons with the money they have.

2. Squad management - I think this is his biggest and perhaps only weakness that he hasnt addressed or even made progress. He is manager who loves a small squad and he is also a manager who overplays the squad

This only hit me recently when I was watching the San Antonio Spurs play recently, Popovic is one of the best coaches in the NBA and he is always resting his team and rotating to keep them fresh.

Now football is similar as its a sport with a crazy schedule, we dont have the benefit of only turning up in the later stages. However playing Alli and bringing on Dembele against Apoel made no sense what so ever especially the difficulties Dembele has had in his career playing 2 times in a week, that week Dembele actually played 3 times.

Poch’s big weakness is the fact that after all these years, he still doesnt know how to change a thing during games is averse to making subs until the 75th minute, even if obvious changes have clearly needed to be made since early in the first half. He has no plan b at all.

Also, regarding #1, Poch used to use a high press. He has not really used it this season

 

[rossdapep]

It's not the first time we've seen it though. Liverpool away last year, Chelsea in the semi final, Man Utd away last year, Arsenal this season. It's been there in the smaller games too. Burnley and Swansea this season.

But, I don't want to use it as a stick to beat him with.

I don't particularly want to either. However, if he wants to become a successful coach he needs to realise and start to become more proactive. There are games where patience is required and that some players will improve as the game goes on, but there's plenty of occasions where he puts too much faith in the players and what he has asked them to do. The sooner he realises "It's not working, I need to change something" the sooner he will start to see more positive results on the road.

 

[rossdapep]

Poch’s big weakness is the fact that after all these years, he still doesnt know how to change a thing during games is averse to making subs until the 75th minute, even if obvious changes have clearly needed to be made since early in the first half. He has no plan b at all.

Also, regarding #1, Poch used to use a high press. He has not really used it this season

Let's wait and see what the second half of the season has in store. Perhaps he is waiting for certain players to return before he throws the kitchen sink at teams.

 

[rossdapep]

Poch Is a good coach, I do see an improvement in the players (I Put a lot of that down to him improving their fitness ) but TACTICALLY I think he is VERY POOR and he puts his faith in players that are not up to the level needed. People claim his done a great job but I disagree I think if you look at are team we have very good players
KANE (TOP GOAL SCORER IN THE LEAGUE)
ROSE & WALKER (LAST YEAR THE BEST FULLBACKS IN THE LEAGUE)
ALDERVEIRER & VERTONGHEN (THE BEST CENTREBACK PAIRING IN THE LEAGUE)
DEMBELE & WANYAMA ( LAST YEAR THE BEST CENTRE MID PARING IN THE LEAGUE)
ALI (17 LEAGUE GOALS)
SON (14 LEAGUE GOALS )
ERICKSEN (GOOD PLAYER)

For me I had enough of Poch when he made that mad selection for the FA CUP semi final.
Davies had played good coming in for Rose but you bench him to play Son LWB, madness and you play Trippier ahead of Walker.
I don,t care if Walker is going or behaving spoilt you are a manger you have to manage egos.
We have not won anything for so long and we were not going to win the league which I don't blame him for, I Think chelsea
being out of Europe gave them the edge.
But for me we needed to beat them at least give us that. He broke my heart that day. Then on top of that you take SON off and put Trippier on the left and you bring Walker on because they bring on Hazard and Costa He has too much faith in average players.

If I talk about his selections 15-16 The year leicester Won the league, thats what I call overachieving all credit to the Manager I will go on all night.

RANT OVER GOODNIGHT.

Is that you @Millsy??

 

[Trix]

What baffles me about City is how slow Poch was to react. I can almost forgive him for being brave with the high press and going toe to toe with city. But after 30 mins it was clear it wasn’t working and we were so exposed. He should have taken one of Son dele eriksen off and brought Davies on gone 3 at back. Pretty staggering he actually did nothing at half time.

High press?

 

[Streetspur77]

Poch Is a good coach, I do see an improvement in the players (I Put a lot of that down to him improving their fitness ) but TACTICALLY I think he is VERY POOR and he puts his faith in players that are not up to the level needed. People claim his done a great job but I disagree I think if you look at are team we have very good players
KANE (TOP GOAL SCORER IN THE LEAGUE)
ROSE & WALKER (LAST YEAR THE BEST FULLBACKS IN THE LEAGUE)
ALDERVEIRER & VERTONGHEN (THE BEST CENTREBACK PAIRING IN THE LEAGUE)
DEMBELE & WANYAMA ( LAST YEAR THE BEST CENTRE MID PARING IN THE LEAGUE)
ALI (17 LEAGUE GOALS)
SON (14 LEAGUE GOALS )
ERICKSEN (GOOD PLAYER)

For me I had enough of Poch when he made that mad selection for the FA CUP semi final.
Davies had played good coming in for Rose but you bench him to play Son LWB, madness and you play Trippier ahead of Walker.
I don,t care if Walker is going or behaving spoilt you are a manger you have to manage egos.
We have not won anything for so long and we were not going to win the league which I don't blame him for, I Think chelsea
being out of Europe gave them the edge.
But for me we needed to beat them at least give us that. He broke my heart that day. Then on top of that you take SON off and put Trippier on the left and you bring Walker on because they bring on Hazard and Costa He has too much faith in average players.

If I talk about his selections 15-16 The year leicester Won the league, thats what I call overachieving all credit to the Manager I will go on all night.

RANT OVER GOODNIGHT.

Sorry I'm not going to listen to someone who can't even be fucked to learn how our players names are spelt

ALDERVEIRER, what the fuck does that even mean?