The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Not sure where everyone is getting their zero spend on players from but according to transfermarket.com since 07/08 season Spurs have spent 832.65 million euros on buying players and received 679.53 million euros on selling players .

Works out to £13.92m net spend on players per season. It's hardly mega bucks for a team ranked in the top 10 richest clubs in the World though is it? (I know, stadium, training facilities etc but still)

 

[Finchyid]

Genuine question, do you think that we don't need any additions to the squad? I feel that we have a great starting eleven but struggle when key players are missing as evidenced by our FA cup games, our game v Juve and games towards the end of the season.

Yes i think we need additions but the squad we had for most of last season didnt really include lamela moura and forgetting issues toby. My issue is we talk about backing manager and we talk about ambition but i may be on my own but martial and zaha are not signings to take us to next level, yes they strengthen squad but neither is 1st choice on any planet so its additions for additions sake imo

 

[ajspurs]

Genuine question, do you think that we don't need any additions to the squad? I feel that we have a great starting eleven but struggle when key players are missing as evidenced by our FA cup games, our game v Juve and games towards the end of the season.

I think we do for various reasons, but also because there's only so long you can keep a good group together without winning anything and without good enough growth through acquisitions to make that likelihood of winning something greater. It's important for the current crop of players to see quality coming into the side to aid them too.

It's deeper than just gauging what our current crop of players can do to be honest. I think it's still possible to have a good season but on the flip side I personally wouldn't bet on us winning anything and it could then be a summer of speculation regarding players at the club, potentially without CL football etc.

Fresh blood is important anyway, even if everything is going right. There's a reason why City bought Mahrez and wanted to buy Jorginho despite sweeping aside every team. You have to keep improving the side in at least some way.

 

[SpartanSpur]

All your footnotes are things which can’t inanyway be attributed to levy lacking ambition. My post was merely to demonstrate that this boring argument of our chairman not being ambitious enough and not backing the manager is false. In fact, every note you added is actually a Pochettino mistake, not a Levy mistake.

Pochettino chose Winks as the one purely untested academy player he would champion. Pochettino wanted Wanyama, Sissoko, Foyth and Llorente (see his comments upon signing Fernando). And Pochettino used Llorente so little that he’d always look awful when he did have a chance, so now he wants him out. Pochettino also wants Toby and Rose out, and Pochettino deemed Lamela the man around whom his revolution would be built.

You may call my arguments simplistic, I say that accusing Levy of not backing the manager based on this window so far is more simplistic. I’d also say that, you can’t base opinions on players who are hypothetically leaving but in the same breath criticise lack of signings, because much like we’ve yet to buy anyone, we’re also yet to sell anyone.

Fair point, I'm not actually questioning Levy's ambition, I'm more concerned that he's made promises he's struggling to keep and he's left himself too little time to fix things.

I appreciate the part about outgoings vs incomings, and my current disposition is skewed, but one is due to a lack of acceptable offers and the other is due to lack of ability to close a deal, possibly holding out for a lower fee that never materialises.

It's clear Toby, Dembele and Rose both want out and are wanted out (for different reasons). All would probably do a professional job if they stayed, but I don't think we'd get anywhere near the best out of them.

CM is a massive issue due to injuries to Winks and Vic, and Dembele and Sissoko's futures. I'm hopeful we'll get one in, and Eriksen and Grelaish might do a job there in a new shape.

I think Toby is nailed on to leave, so I'm worried we end up having Dier as 3rd choice CB at the same time as being our only reliably fit DM. In fact Gards has already admitted as much, but has said we'll try for a new CM.

I really hope I'm wrong and we nail it, ending up stronger and moving who Poch wants out. Would be quite the crazy week!

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Works out to £13.92m net spend on players per season. It's hardly mega bucks for a team ranked in the top 10 richest clubs in the World though is it? (I know, stadium, training facilities etc but still)

Over the same period 07/08 to 17/18 Liverpool have a net deficit of about 267 million euros on transfers and still haven't won what they really want , the Premier League. Liverpool have consistently spent more than Spurs and still have never won the Premier League, fans should stop moaning and get behind Poch and the team.

 

[Lilbaz]

Not sure where everyone is getting their zero spend on players from but according to transfermarket.com since 07/08 season Spurs have spent 832.65 million euros on buying players and received 679.53 million euros on selling players .

Not usre about transfermarket but i believe swiss ramble had us down at almost zero. He is one of the top football financial experts on the net with guardian etc... using his articles. He gets his info from our financial statements.

 

[Finchyid]

Over the same period 07/08 to 17/18 Liverpool have a net deficit of about 267 million euros on transfers and still haven't won what they really want , the Premier League. Liverpool have consistently spent more than Spurs and still have never won the Premier League, fans should stop moaning and get behind Poch and the team.

This post has to be one of my favs!

 

[sausage]

I'm guessing if we sold all our flops for 50p and had a better net spend, then the "net spend gods" might have granted us a trophy...

Stoke and West Brom both have something like the 6th and 8th highest net spends in the PL since 2003 (around £150m net). It means fuck all, really.



Btw I think Mrs Poch would be pissed off if he quit his job in a hissy fit, putting their son's job and career at risk. Poch isn't a toddler.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Over the same period 07/08 to 17/18 Liverpool have a net deficit of about 267 million euros on transfers and still haven't won what they really want , the Premier League. Liverpool have consistently spent more than Spurs and still have never won the Premier League, fans should stop moaning and get behind Poch and the team.

You’re missing the point. Based on significant and various itk about players’ and Poch’s desire to strengthen the squad to ensure their ambitions are matched, showing concerns about transfer inactivity is getting behind the team

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Is it me or have the Daily Mail contingent been let loose tonight?

 

[SpartanSpur]

I hate how everything gets so polarising/binary these days, makes more sense on social media but it still seeps into forums where more discussion is possible.

I personally think Levy does a great job and I accept his transfer profile of buying high potential players that also retain resale value. I think it's great. My issue is when we find players in that profile and drag our heels to try and squeeze every single penny out of the deals. I can explain all that and close by mentioning that I think we can afford to ease off on that and overpay slightly to wrap up certain deals in better time...


...and within minutes I'll be told how this isn't sustainable and reckless, others will act like I want us to spend £200m net every summer, and no doubt someone will bring up Leeds Utd before long.

 

[chinaman]

I hate how everything gets so polarising/binary these days, makes more sense on social media but it still seeps into forums where more discussion is possible.

I personally think Levy does a great job and I accept his transfer profile of buying high potential players that also retain resale value. I think it's great. My issue is when we find players in that profile and drag our heels to try and squeeze every single penny out of the deals. I can explain all that and close by mentioning that I think we can afford to ease off on that and overpay slightly to wrap up certain deals in better time...


...and within minutes I'll be told how this isn't sustainable and reckless, others will act like I want us to spend £200m net every summer, and no doubt someone will bring up Leeds Utd before long.

I would not even ask him to overpay slightly; only try not to milk everyone to the most.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I would not even ask him to overpay slightly; only try not to milk everyone to the most.

True, to be fair when I said overpay I was using the Levy-price as the baseline.

 

[Bware]

I hate how everything gets so polarising/binary these days, makes more sense on social media but it still seeps into forums where more discussion is possible.

I personally think Levy does a great job and I accept his transfer profile of buying high potential players that also retain resale value. I think it's great. My issue is when we find players in that profile and drag our heels to try and squeeze every single penny out of the deals. I can explain all that and close by mentioning that I think we can afford to ease off on that and overpay slightly to wrap up certain deals in better time...


...and within minutes I'll be told how this isn't sustainable and reckless, others will act like I want us to spend £200m net every summer, and no doubt someone will bring up Leeds Utd before long.

Unfortunately some here are unable to reconcile the two. Just as some will think you should be confident about our transfer strategy right up until the moment the window ends in disappointment.

 

[jay2040]

I’d almost go as far to say Liverpool have been “brave” in the market and bought what they needed before selling, they are set to challenge this season. Yes the market is difficult but there are ways round it if really want to get the players you want instead of playing poker

How would you judge their spending if we ended up 3rd and they 2nd yet we only brought one player in ?

 

[barry]

How would you judge their spending if we ended up 3rd and they 2nd yet we only brought one player in ?

It's better to try, but ultimately fail, than not to try at all.

 

[Gloryhunter]

Signings for the sake of signings. I would rather no more N'types of squad fillers to block the path of the likes of Skipp. If Levy can't pull off to sign the quality players that will strongly challenge for a XI, so be it.

 

[chilespurs]

Signings for the sake of signings. I would rather no more N'types of squad fillers to block the path of the likes of Skipp. If Levy can't pull off to sign the quality players that will strongly challenge for a XI, so be it.

Maybe that's what was meant by being brave. Suffer the riot of the fans and only sign the players that the manager wants or none.

 

[jay2040]

Maybe that's what was meant by being brave. Suffer the riot of the fans and only sign the players that the manager wants or none.

I thought the being brave was let's buy what we want and fuck it if we don't sell first to make space,equally happy to be wrong on this!

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Signings for the sake of signings. I would rather no more N'types of squad fillers to block the path of the likes of Skipp. If Levy can't pull off to sign the quality players that will strongly challenge for a XI, so be it.

If we get shift Alderweireld & Dembele and bring in Grealish, Zaha & Sanson I'd be satisfied with that window with how things currently stand. I'd take that and see how the season goes