The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Paolo10]

Some of you strike me as being almost optimistically naive.

I'd love him to stay, but the way this appears to be playing out does give me doubts...and just because you don't necessarily like or share this opinion doesn't make it spam in a thread talking about the manager.

I'd be curious how many times we've gotten him a player he really wanted, how many times DL may or may not have let him down etc. We've tried and failed a few times to get players in (apparently). Poch is being very professional about it all, but it doesn't mean he's 100% staying.

Even if it's not talked about at press conferences, the articles won't stop...we've been here before, mostly with players though. Again, would love him to stay, time will tell.

 

[crokey]

It's quite rare that the frenzy is at this level when publicly chasing after a manager of another club, with all the ex players getting involved. It seems quite different to me, and suggests one of two things to me.

Either United haven't decided yet and haven't approached us, or maybe they already have and have been knocked back, and are taking to the media to push it through?

 

[braveheart]

https://www.tnp.sg/sports/football/richard-buxton-better-devil-you-know-poch

 

[Lilbaz]

It's quite rare that the frenzy is at this level when publicly chasing after a manager of another club, with all the ex players getting involved. It seems quite different to me, and suggests one of two things to me.

Either United haven't decided yet and haven't approached us, or maybe they already have and have been knocked back, and are taking to the media to push it through?

I'm just suprised that poch is number 1 target. If i was man utd i'd probably be looking at allegri.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Some of you strike me as being almost optimistically naive.

I'd love him to stay, but the way this appears to be playing out does give me doubts...and just because you don't necessarily like or share this opinion doesn't make it spam in a thread talking about the manager.

I'd be curious how many times we've gotten him a player he really wanted, how many times DL may or may not have let him down etc. We've tried and failed a few times to get players in (apparently). Poch is being very professional about it all, but it doesn't mean he's 100% staying.

Even if it's not talked about at press conferences, the articles won't stop...we've been here before, mostly with players though. Again, would love him to stay, time will tell.

Optimistic I'll accept, naive I'm not sure. There's more pundits and journos than you'd expect saying there's no guarantee he'd go there right now. They have no stake or bias in it.

You may think people are being optimistic, but almost everyone is if you choose to be pessimistic like you are here. My gut has suggested he'll stay, recent interviews suggest he's thinking about the future with us, and we've had ITKs saying they think he'll stay (but obvs can't rule out anything in football).

The manager on Tuesday told the fans what else can he say, he has been linked away in the past and he's still here. He's berry happy. Yesterday he's asked the fans to put faith in him and the club. I'm choosing to do that.

It's a lot better than worrying about it and expecting the worst. for 6 months. Even if you prepare yourself for a crap situation, it's still crap when it happens!

 

[Khilari]

It would have been nice if Poch could have said what the press officer said though

Not his job and the club wouldn't want him to. It's the reason we have a press officer, poch keeps his good relations with the media.

I actually agree with the sentiment that not allowing Pochettino to answer the question slightly undermined him. Assuming he's focussed on Spurs, I have no doubt that he could have handled further questions on Man Utd fairly swiftly with some sort of diplomatic answer along the lines of "I don't pay attention to rumours, whether good or bad" again.

And it made more of a story.

Saying that, whatever Pochettino said (unless he publicly committed to us) would have been written as "Pochettino refuses to rule out Man Utd switch..." etc. But having the Press Officer may now have put a stop to the ongoing questioning.

 

[chinaman]

https://www.tnp.sg/sports/football/richard-buxton-better-devil-you-know-poch

So Levy is Lucifer.

 

[Lilbaz]

I actually agree with the sentiment that not allowing Pochettino to answer the question slightly undermined him. Assuming he's focussed on Spurs, I have no doubt that he could have handled further questions on Man Utd fairly swiftly with some sort of diplomatic answer along the lines of "I don't pay attention to rumours, whether good or bad" again.

And it made more of a story.

Saying that, whatever Pochettino said (unless he publicly committed to us) would have been written as "Pochettino refuses to rule out Man Utd switch..." etc. But having the Press Officer may now have put a stop to the ongoing questioning.

He'd already answered 48 hours before and said it was none of his business what happens at utd and he was focussed on spurs. Better for the press officer to nip it in the bud now and let everyone know that poch will not be answering those type of questions.

 

[dtxspurs]

I wonder for how many days I will wake up and this will have a new 5+ pages...

 

[longtimespur]

I wonder for how many days I will wake up and this will have a new 5+ pages...

Must be better that than not waking up at all

 

[allatsea]

Must be better that than not waking up at all

But he wouldn’t know he hadn’t woken up would he so he wouldn’t be worried.

 

[Indisguise]

So Levy is Lucifer.

I'm surprised you didn't know.

 

['O Zio]

I'm just suprised that poch is number 1 target. If i was man utd i'd probably be looking at allegri.

I dunno. If I were Man Utd I'd be doing everything in my power to get Poch. He's exactly the right fit for them in basically every way I can think of.

 

[Gb160]

It's an employment contract not a certificate of ownership. If employer and employee are really at loggerheads the case would go to arbitration where the general outcome is that the employee can escape their contract if they pay the employer the remaining value of it. The idea is that the employer can take that money and hire somebody else to fill the role.

I not doubting you mate, you clearly know your stuff here, but this scenario never really takes place in football does it?
If it did then we'd see players using this route to force moves a lot more often....as surely a player-club contract is exactly the same legally as a manager-club contract?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I dunno. If I were Man Utd I'd be doing everything in my power to get Poch. He's exactly the right fit for them in basically every way I can think of.

Bar winning trophies ... Which suddenly doesn't seem to factor in to any pundit, broadcaster or reporters thinking ...

 

[shelfmonkey]

I wonder if all our new fans/followers from the last few years with Poch as manager have the same negativity as some of the older fans? I don't just mean people that are old like I am but those that have followed THFC for 10-30years. They've always been used to the Spursy situations where we miss out, except occasionally, and are just conditioned to always expect the same. Even those whom started supporting in the 70's. It just seems to be hard to get out of that mindset for a load of them.
Maybe this is what Pochetinno is pointing out, as well as those FIFA managers, and wants to change the way some of our fans and people in general think about our great club. We see it all the time in the press about it's Spurs, they're this or they're that and don't expect nor seem to want us to win anything.
On here there are people I genuinely avoid reading because everything they write is full of negativity. Then say they are a positive person if only I knew them!!!
If everyone could think positively about our club/team/management/all our players (even those who get soo much derision) then I think the team will become even greater than they are and start winning things like when I was a kid back in the 50's and 60's.
It really is amazing what the power of positive thinking can accomplish.
COYS. Bring back the glory years.

As Spurs fans, the moment we dare to be positive, we're derided as delusional! Whichever way we are, we're shot down, because it's Spurs and just as you described the torment of being a Spurs fan, is it any wonder the glass is always half empty?!

 

[vegassd]

I not doubting you mate, you clearly know your stuff here, but this scenario never really takes place in football does it?
If it did then we'd see players using this route to force moves a lot more often....as surely a player-club contract is exactly the same legally as a manager-club contract?

Absolutely agree. I think that players can buy out their contracts based on the Webber ruling (I think it's called) which was the big leap for contracts after the Bosman ruling. There was lots of paper talk about Rooney buying out of his United contract to go to the States if I remember.

But it's one of those things where as soon as the ruling passes, clubs can write clauses into player contracts that say they can only leave for a fair market price or whatever legal speak it is.

The transfer market would be a farce if it were commonplace for players to be able to do this so I reckon it's either worked around in their contracts these days or there is just a gentleman's agreement between clubs. More likely the legal option! Because managers don't move around as much - especially a "transfer" rather than a sacking - I doubt it gets given much attention in their contracts. But that's just a guess.

Tell you what though... if there was previously a buy-out clause in Poch's contract that Levy removed when he signed the new one last summer that's a neat move. He's a shrewd little bugger is that Levy!

 

[MarkyP]

The Media now, and Sky especially, is about drumming up stories and sensationalising whatever they can . You only need to look at how badly Sky news reports/covers day to day news events, let alone the football. They take everything to the extreme, with little to no thought about how or who it impacts.
They attempt to drum up stories where there are none. They disregard facts or quotes if it doesn't fit the narrative, and spin the more trivial issues which they can twist into a headline. In an effort to do this, they often push boundaries which shouldn't be pushed.

I wouldn't get too worked up about what Carragher or Neville or some tin pot journo spouts.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think it is about correct. It's contract law at the end of the day, right?

If Poch decided he no longer wanted to work for Spurs we have no way to force him to turn up every day and give his best. It's an employment contract not a certificate of ownership. If employer and employee are really at loggerheads the case would go to arbitration where the general outcome is that the employee can escape their contract if they pay the employer the remaining value of it. The idea is that the employer can take that money and hire somebody else to fill the role.

Any compensation paid on top of that would be there to grease the wheels.

In theory Spurs could force him to see out his contract (I think, maybe some human rights stuff there) but it wouldn't be good for us to have an employee in that position who isn't really trying. So that's where the compensation fee really comes in... that extra bit of "sorry" for the disruption it would cause.

I don't know what is in the contract - but, in general, contracts of this nature would have a non-compete clause in the deal - and that would be enforcible at least among English clubs.

So, while Spurs could never "force" an employee to remain - they could legally prohibit an employee from taking up similar employment with a competitor - for the life of the contract. That is what clubs are buying out when they pay to take on a Manager.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

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