The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[cider spurs]

The press guy shushing questions makes me suspect Poch's head might have been turned a little.

You could spin that in a multitude of ways.

The way I chose to spin it was...Dharmesh...shut the fu*K up you ballbag.

 

[Graysonti]

https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/21/jami...otspur-bigger-club-manchester-united-8272813/

For me some good points. Discuss

He is Bitter - we finish above his shitty club Lolipool nearly every year.

Shit stadium and doggy part of country.

 

[SpursDave88]

He is Bitter - we finish above his shitty club Lolipool nearly every year.

Shit stadium and doggy part of country.

It's utterly ridiculous. If united want Klopp - should he go?

 

[Phomesy]

For what it's worth he's right that Poch owes us nothing and should he go, I will not begrudge the man.

True but he's creating a straw man argument there. No one's saying "Poch owes us". The argument is he's halfway through his own project that is bearing fruit. He's building a title-winning list. It's a better list than United's and spunking 300 million is no guarantee of improving it in the short to medium term.

So Carragher's own logic of "Poch wants to win titles dictates he should stay at Spurs OR move to Madrid/Psg. Not go to United with the mess their list in in.

 

[Graysonti]

It's utterly ridiculous. If united want Klopp - should he go?

Exactly

Shitty northern clubs

 

[absolute bobbins]

The press guy shushing questions makes me suspect Poch's head might have been turned a little.

If we don’t nip it in the bud then every press conference will be littered with speculation. That will be the only thing that causes distraction and limits our ability to get our message across.

The press office did the right thing

 

[cider spurs]

Feck off Carragher.

It's Christmas, surely you can just concentrate on spitting at kids.

 

[Khilari]

https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/21/jami...otspur-bigger-club-manchester-united-8272813/

For me some good points. Discuss

I think ex-professional football players provide an excellent insight into some aspects of the game, particularly dressing room behaviours, player morale and their experiences of managers and tactics. But most ex-pros are pretty limited in their actual footballing knowledge beyond their personal experience.

Carragher is one of those players who adds so little to any form of analysis - but he's made it big mostly due to Gary Neville's ability to discuss football matches. I pay very little attention to him.

On the topic of 'big clubs' - what defines that? Is it money? Recent success? What is recent? I don't doubt that Man Utd are a big club and have undoubtedly had more success than we have over the long and short-term. But when Fergie had started winning things - Villa, Forest, Leeds, Liverpool and Everton were big clubs. So Carragher's argument is just a matter of opinion really.

Pochettino has everything he needs to succeed at Spurs but has overseen an incredible transition from top 6 and flirting with the top 4 to consistency, brilliance and all with coaching and man management. The next step is the big one when we are in a position to take on the money boys.

 

[Paolo10]

If we don’t nip it in the bud then every press conference will be littered with speculation. That will be the only thing that causes distraction and limits our ability to get our message across.

The press office did the right thing

The speculation won't stop regardless.

 

[Shadydan]

Pochettino's urged Spurs' supporters to have more faith in his and the club's decisions, saying that greater belief among the fanbase would make Spurs stronger. He also says the media are largely responsible for negative perceptions.

Absolutely, been saying for ages our fans need to man the fuck up and stop creating negative scenarios in their heads as a defence mechanism.

 

[wrd]

Absolutely, been saying for ages our fans need to man the fuck up and stop creating negative scenarios in their heads as a defence mechanism.

If there's one thing I can't stand it's football fans who try and meet rivals halfway by downplaying their team. As if they're scared to put themselves out there for fear of embarrassment. Okay don't have overzealous targets but fuck sake whats the point in following a football team if you're not going to get caught up in the excitement.

 

['O Zio]

They would have to buy out poch contract.

8.5m x4 = £34m

There's no way that's right because that wouldn't compensate the club in any way. I'm pretty sure that, unless there's some pre-arranged clause, that the club the manager is under contract with is able to demand whatever compensation they want in theory. At the end of the day they're under no obligation to release the manager from their contract.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

There's no way that's right because that wouldn't compensate the club in any way. I'm pretty sure that, unless there's some pre-arranged clause, that the club the manager is under contract with is able to demand whatever compensation they want in theory. At the end of the day they're under no obligation to release the manager from their contract.

Exactly from what I read the contract had no buy out so it would be upto Levy to release. Not saying he wouldn’t if Poch demanded out but the price would be huge, wouldn’t be surprised if we wanted £100 mil plus.

 

[Phomesy]

The speculation won't stop regardless.

No one said it will.

But they can fucking speculate somewhere else. Not in our presser about our upcoming game against Everton.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

There's no way that's right because that wouldn't compensate the club in any way. I'm pretty sure that, unless there's some pre-arranged clause, that the club the manager is under contract with is able to demand whatever compensation they want in theory. At the end of the day they're under no obligation to release the manager from their contract.

It does compensate the club as they would be getting paid the money for the contract.

So in this case spurs would be getting £34m for ending his contract with us.

End of the day if poch wants to leave then he goes.

 

[ValenciaYid]

Im hearing that he aint going anywhere but in this ****ing business, who knows.....

 

[LukaKranjcar]

Never mind whether Poch is off or not, we need to get our press bloke tied down to a long term deal. Handled Madrid and United speculation impeccably, bravo.

 

[yankspurs]

Column on why Jamie Carragher’s a delusional scouse ****

 

[vegassd]

There's no way that's right because that wouldn't compensate the club in any way. I'm pretty sure that, unless there's some pre-arranged clause, that the club the manager is under contract with is able to demand whatever compensation they want in theory. At the end of the day they're under no obligation to release the manager from their contract.

I think it is about correct. It's contract law at the end of the day, right?

If Poch decided he no longer wanted to work for Spurs we have no way to force him to turn up every day and give his best. It's an employment contract not a certificate of ownership. If employer and employee are really at loggerheads the case would go to arbitration where the general outcome is that the employee can escape their contract if they pay the employer the remaining value of it. The idea is that the employer can take that money and hire somebody else to fill the role.

Any compensation paid on top of that would be there to grease the wheels.

In theory Spurs could force him to see out his contract (I think, maybe some human rights stuff there) but it wouldn't be good for us to have an employee in that position who isn't really trying. So that's where the compensation fee really comes in... that extra bit of "sorry" for the disruption it would cause.

 

['O Zio]

I think it is about correct. It's contract law at the end of the day, right?

If Poch decided he no longer wanted to work for Spurs we have no way to force him to turn up every day and give his best. It's an employment contract not a certificate of ownership. If employer and employee are really at loggerheads the case would go to arbitration where the general outcome is that the employee can escape their contract if they pay the employer the remaining value of it. The idea is that the employer can take that money and hire somebody else to fill the role.

Any compensation paid on top of that would be there to grease the wheels.

In theory Spurs could force him to see out his contract (I think, maybe some human rights stuff there) but it wouldn't be good for us to have an employee in that position who isn't really trying. So that's where the compensation fee really comes in... that extra bit of "sorry" for the disruption it would cause.

Well exactly, we obviously can't just lock him in a cupboard or whatever, but what I mean is there's no way the rule is that if Utd off the remaineder of his contract we're obligated to accept it, which is what the other poster was implying. The remainder of the contract will be a sort of base point for negotiations but they'd definitely have to pay us more than that and even still Levy would be under no obligation to accept anything.