The Naming Rights Thread

[NayimFTHL]

You disliked my comment suggesting that amazon's issues could be resolved with robust legislation - which is a fact.

Qatar are doing some very specific things that are objectionable as a state. It's perfectly fine to criticise them and not want to be associated. This has nothing to do with their generosity and I'm sure they'd actually be great for us as a club.

I would counter your point by saying that I really wouldn't want Trump either as a sponsor, or the US or British government.

Besoz is different as he plays within the rule book, but the rules just haven't kept up. Nothing about his actions suggest he would flatly ignore labor laws, he'll just lobby hard to avoid them.

This is all quite complicated, but something we are all allowed to discuss like adults.

Don't recall you saying anything about Nike who make our kit. No issues with child labour, no? Let's just bash qatar

 

[NayimFTHL]

wow, what a dick.

Yep keep name calling. I'll resist

 

[Tucker]

Yep keep name calling. I'll resist

I mean it was only a page ago that you said we were all islamophobes and hypocrites.

 

[NayimFTHL]

I mean it was only a page ago that you said we were all islamophobes and hypocrites.

Yep the all the ones like you bashing a tiny country in the middle east. Whereas a lot of bigger companies/countries have done a lot worse and not a fucking word.

 

[Amo]

Don't recall you saying anything about Nike who make our kit. No issues with child labour, no? Let's just bash qatar

Again, you're conflating a regrettable but complex issue that HAS been subject to reform due to public pressure (with lots more to do) with actual state-managed institutional slavery.

I haven't purchased a kit for this reason you mention, so no, I don't look the other way.

And even then, it's a complex issue because those (paid!) jobs are critical to the economy of those areas they operate in. There are upsides like economic growth for these areas even if it's hugely problematic and, on balance, a bad situation more than a good one. But Nike operates within judicial regimes while exploiting the differences between different regulatory environments. Qatar literally imprisons migrant Muslim workers, not letting them leave until their "owner" says so despite going months without pay and facing violence, unfathomable hours/workloads and dreadful living conditions sleeping dozens to a room.

You comparing exploitative and unfair employment to actual bona fide slavery.

Yep the all the ones like you bashing a tiny country in the middle east. Whereas a lot of bigger companies/countries have done a lot worse and not a fucking word.

that tiny country in the Middle East is one of the most influential states on Earth and wields more soft power than many larger EU countries could ever dream of.

 

[NayimFTHL]

Again, you're conflating a regrettable but complex issue that HAS been subject to reform due to public pressure (with lots more to do) with actual state-managed institutional slavery.

I haven't purchased a kit for this reason you mention, so no, I don't look the other way.

And even then, it's a complex issue because those (paid!) jobs are critical to the economy of those areas they operate in. There are upsides like economic growth for these areas even if it's hugely problematic and, on balance, a bad situation more than a good one. But Nike operates within judicial regimes while exploiting the differences between different regulatory environments. Qatar literally imprisons migrant Muslim workers, not letting them leave until their "owner" says so despite going months without pay and facing violence, unfathomable hours/workloads and dreadful living conditions sleeping dozens to a room.

You comparing exploitative and unfair employment to actual bona fide slavery.

I'm not denying or condoning what has happened there. However, the hypocrisy is huge when it comes to other things. I'm sorry well just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Amo]

I'm not denying or condoning what has happened there. However, the hypocrisy is huge when it comes to other things. I'm sorry well just have to agree to disagree.

Which other things? You haven't offered any credible comparisons and even if you did it's very much a what about them argument that only serves to deflect not reflect.

 

[leelee]

But they are not all as dirty as each over are they? Moronic argument.

They can be, depending on an individuals perspective.

 

[NayimFTHL]

Which other things? You haven't offered any credible comparisons and even if you did it's very much a what about them argument that only serves to deflect not reflect.

I have, Nike for example and their child labour. AIA and their links to Chinese government and atrocities they commit on a daily basis.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

@NayimFTHL But neither are STATE OWNED businesses. Its different.

 

[Yiddo100]

I’m not 100% sure how calling out a country for their human rights record and how they treat LGBTQ people is islamaphobic

 

[Tucker]

Yep the all the ones like you bashing a tiny country in the middle east. Whereas a lot of bigger companies/countries have done a lot worse and not a fucking word.

Lol you wouldn’t even know if I had said a word against Nike or not. It is possible to be critical of the Qatari government and Nike you know.

Poor little Qatar with not a pot to piss in and no global influence whatsoever. Give me a fucking break.

If you want to be an apologist for a brutal dictatorship that’s using it’s oil wealth to sportswash its atrocities you carry on pal. You do you. But don’t pretend that this is some how a stand against hypocrisy.

 

[Amo]

I have, Nike for example and their child labour. AIA and their links to Chinese government and atrocities they commit on a daily basis.

Fuck the Chinese government, for starters. They must pay for their treatment of Uyghur Muslims (though, funny enough, many claim criticism of China for this is also not sincere and is just an expression of sinophobia over concern for Muslims so hey ho).

Secondly, AIA is nearly a decade in so expecting the same passionate protest as the one facing Qatar is a bit optimistic.

Thirdly, AIA isn't a slaver state.

Fourth, AIA is a publicly-traded multinational.

 

[NayimFTHL]

Lol you wouldn’t even know if I had said a word against Nike or not. It is possible to be critical of the Qatari government and Nike you know.

Poor little Qatar with not a pot to piss in and no global influence whatsoever. Give me a fucking break.

If you want to be an apologist for a brutal dictatorship that’s using it’s oil wealth to sportswash its atrocities you carry on pal. You do you. But don’t pretend that this is some how a stand against hypocrisy.

Point me to where the comments are bashing Nike and AIA please. Thanks

 

[stov]

They can be, depending on an individuals perspective.

Moral relativism, nice. Problematic, but that's a whole other debate.

 

[stov]

Yep keep name calling. I'll resist

Well done. You are superior.

 

[Tucker]

Point me to where the comments are bashing Nike and AIA please. Thanks

Not my responsibility, this is a discussion about Qatar. You can’t just shut it down by saying “But you don’t criticise Nike.” You have literally no idea what my views on Nike are, but that’s not the point, because it’s irrelevant whataboutery.

 

[sausage]

I’m not 100% sure how calling out a country for their human rights record and how they treat LGBTQ people is islamaphobic

Only tenuous link would be that some variations of Islam (via the old testament basis) have laws that enforce such treatment, thus if you're against the law you're against the religion.

I think that is complete nonsense though. In this case, it's a poster with a long history of only commenting on this subject possibly being bigoted.

 

[thekneaf]

Don't recall you saying anything about Nike who make our kit. No issues with child labour, no? Let's just bash qatar

We've barely talked, I assume there are many things we haven't discussed.

I do find this whataboutary a poor line. Many major brands employ quite strict CSR now, and so they should. Public pressure and governmental legislation achieved this.

I agree the same standards should apply to all companies, so, onto Qatar... I have no problems with them engaging and improving as we would expect of any partner.

 

[Gspurs11]

Where do you guys draw the line? Is Bezos ok when he doesn’t pay minimum wage and doesn’t pay uk taxes? Show me a noble company willing to pay big money to sponsor a football team and I’ll show you my 3some pics with Margo Robbie and Pritti Patel.

I don't think vampires appear in photographs.