The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[CanadaSpurs]

Create an Innovation/R&D unit whose sole focus would be to continuously find ways in which anything related to on-field performance could be done 1% better.

What can be changed to improve player nutrition by 1%? How can injuries be reduced by 1%? How can scouting processes be adjusted to identify youth talent 1% more accurately? What could be done to reduce goals conceded at home by 1%?

I would give this department an annual budget equal to the mean transfer value of an average premier league player.

It would be very Levy-like to limit the improvements to 1%, good job putting yourself in his shoes.

 

[JacoZA]

It would be very Levy-like to limit the improvements to 1%, good job putting yourself in his shoes.

Jokes aside, read this: How 1% Performance Improvements Led to Olympic Gold

 

[Yantino]

People can do what they like. They've paid their money and should be able to voice their opinion as they see fit.

You're right they can! they can also run around the ground starkers if they want to as well! doesn't mean it's smart, helpful or the right thing to do!

 

[Albertbarich]

People can do what they like. They've paid their money and should be able to voice their opinion as they see fit.

Absolutely but not doing what is suggested doesn't make anyone part of the problem.

 

[thelak]

This is such a silly post and the sort of comment that ensures the purple and yellow folks on twitter failed to gain any traction.

Throughout this whole thread I've been as anti ENIC as anyone and tried to debate in a reasonable and sensible way but you say this to me because I didn't want people to not get behind our new manager in his first game?

I'll remind both sides as sometimes it gets lost. I'm/were Tottenham Hotspur fans. Nobody here should put their fandom for any player or manager above that and certainly not of a bloody chairman.on the flip side nobody here should put their hatred for anyone above what's best for the team.

Yesterday was Ange's moment. Against United I'm sure you will be leading the protests before the game and I'll fully support them but I would hope you will also be signing for Ange and the team who all seem like they're in a really good space right now.

fair point

I’m just concerned that people are going to use the excuse of getting behind the team to yet again not make any sort of vocal protest against the ownership

I feel like the near term feel good factor is exactly what Levy wants to allow him to carry on as he always has

 

[Albertbarich]

fair point

I’m just concerned that people are going to use the excuse of getting behind the team to yet again not make any sort of vocal protest against the ownership

I feel like the near term feel good factor is exactly what Levy wants to allow him to carry on as he always has

People will do that, people will forgive as soon as they sign a player.

That's why it's important to trust the Trust and protest the ticket prices. The transfer business and results will fluctuate as as will people's support on them but then ripping people off won't.

 

[spursgirls]

Jokes aside, read this: How 1% Performance Improvements Led to Olympic Gold

Interesting. Spurs should look into it.

 

[vegassd]

I’m just concerned that people are going to use the excuse of getting behind the team to yet again not make any sort of vocal protest against the ownership

I feel like the near term feel good factor is exactly what Levy wants to allow him to carry on as he always has

You should remember that not every Spurs fan thinks the same way as you. There will be plenty of fans who don't want to make a protest against Levy, and there will be plenty of fans who only want to support the team when they are at the game. There's nothing wrong with that.

I think that some fans are so wound up by their own feelings about Levy that they lean into all the conspiracy stuff, and will choose to not be positive because that's "exactly what Levy wants". I would say that classing getting behind the team as an excuse for not protesting is a fairly extreme example of that as well.

We're all just people so we will have different opinions and approach football in different ways. Not a single person on this forum is completely "right" since there is no absolute truth in this context. If you want to scream your lungs out about Levy at the game that's up to you. But I don't think it's a great move to encourage others to feel negatively about football, or make non-protesters feel like they are making excuses.

 

[bubble07]

Am I right in thinking the club could spend 300m this window and still be ok? They just made 120m profit on 2 academy players

 

[thelak]

You should remember that not every Spurs fan thinks the same way as you. There will be plenty of fans who don't want to make a protest against Levy, and there will be plenty of fans who only want to support the team when they are at the game. There's nothing wrong with that.

I think that some fans are so wound up by their own feelings about Levy that they lean into all the conspiracy stuff, and will choose to not be positive because that's "exactly what Levy wants". I would say that classing getting behind the team as an excuse for not protesting is a fairly extreme example of that as well.

We're all just people so we will have different opinions and approach football in different ways. Not a single person on this forum is completely "right" since there is no absolute truth in this context. If you want to scream your lungs out about Levy at the game that's up to you. But I don't think it's a great move to encourage others to feel negatively about football, or make non-protesters feel like they are making excuses.

fair enough

if you read the original discussion it was about combining Levy out with supporting the team

I had asked about whether there had been any protests or chants and the response was that he hoped not because yesterday was all about getting behind the team

I’m concerned that there is this view that the two are mutually exclusive

And ultimately it’s a fan base that is not known for being particularly radical or pro active. Most just want a comfortable day out. But it’s that mindset that allows continual exploitation by the club (in my view).


considering we are posting in a thread about the ousting of Levy that is 400 pages long I’m assuming there are fair few fans that think the same way!

 

[southlondonyiddo]

People will do that, people will forgive as soon as they sign a player.

That's why it's important to trust the Trust and protest the ticket prices. The transfer business and results will fluctuate as as will people's support on them but then ripping people off won't.

Trust the trust!? - surely a powerless group setup with the backing of the hierarchy with a view to be seeing to be listening to supporters

In reality they couldn’t give a toss about the THST - or they do, only and whenever it suits them!

 

[Albertbarich]

Trust the trust!? - surely a powerless group setup with the backing of the hierarchy with a view to be seeing to be listening to supporters

In reality they couldn’t give a toss about the THST - or they do, only and whenever it suits them!

They're for better or worse the best place organisation to set up proper , organised action.

If they go in all guns blazing like you want they would lose support and must likely any access.

 

[vegassd]

considering we are posting in a thread about the ousting of Levy that is 400 pages long I’m assuming there are fair few fans that think the same way!

I'm not saying that nobody shares the overall view of wanting Levy gone. I'm sure there are thousands of Spurs fans who would happily push the man off a cliff!

But you said "the excuse of getting behind the team", and I think that's a fairly extreme way to be. Do whatever you want obviously, but if you have reached a point where protesting against the owners is more important than getting behind the team I would see that as a very sad situation.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone to support the team for 90 minutes and still be pissed off at Levy. Or to be excited about a new player, or watching attacking football again, and still be pissed off at Levy. It's not a binary situation where you are either a Levy-basher or a Levy-apologist with nothing in between.

All the "beta fan" nonsense just serves to offend people and (in my opinion) is a big reason why some of the important fan issues such as ticket prices are being brushed under the rug. People are too busy throwing insults and finding intricate plot lines to portray Levy as a super villain.

 

[bubble07]

17 days of transfer window left and our current net spend is 0

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Profit does not equal revenue does not equal cash flow for sure.

But can anyone have any doubts that footballing success does not appear on the top 5 list of objectives that Daniel Levy has for this club

I honestly think Levy does want success he’s just either thought he’s known best and/or been badly advised.

The last 4 years were a very clear reflection of that in so many ways.

More lately we seem to be going back in a far better direction to hopefully lead to some success.

I don’t think we need to be spending £110mil on Caciedo etc for us to be successful, Liverpool proved a few years back that sensible and clever spending with a few top signings can lead to a lot of success, Arsenal until this summer with Rice haven’t been spending outrageous sums on players they’ve been recruiting very well, Brighton the same and as for all of their money, Newcastle and City have both made very very good football decisions with both of their approaches.

I think if we keep acting like we do and he loosens the purse strings just a little more then Ange can lead us close to or to some success.

That being said we all know all the mistakes that Levy has made, we know where he holds us back and we know that him stepping away and putting very good football decision makers in charge is important moving forwards, that being said if we end up with say Orban, Kudus and another CB and clear out the 7 mentioned then this will have bar far been the best summer window overall and it’ll have been the most a manager has been properly backed.

Let’s see how we go the next few weeks, I’m sure by the end of it we might be short in a few areas as usual but I’m open to being pleasantly surprised the way this summer is going so far as we are getting a lot more right than wrong.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Trust the trust!? - surely a powerless group setup with the backing of the hierarchy with a view to be seeing to be listening to supporters

In reality they couldn’t give a toss about the THST - or they do, only and whenever it suits them!

You're right in many ways but just as a matter of fact, the Trust was not set up by the club or anyone associated with it. It was purely created by fans who were angry with the direction it was taking (or lack of direction) under Alan Sugar.

Hardly anyone had heard of Levy or Enic at that stage, and Alan Sugar certainly wasn't interested in listening to what the fans had to say.

But I agree that the Trust now has very limited influence.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

There absolutely should be protests and feelings made clear, but not at the detriment of the team or the match.

Do it before / after but make sure you show your full support the team on the pitch. Not rocket science is it.

Really don’t think it’s either/or.
we can get behind the team, be noisy, sing our songs, invent some fun new ones AND mixed in with that some blasts that make it very clear we won’t Levy out.
it really is possible to do both

 

[WiganSpur]

Really don’t think it’s either/or.
we can get behind the team, be noisy, sing our songs, invent some fun new ones AND mixed in with that some blasts that make it very clear we won’t Levy out.
it really is possible to do both

If we're not going to protest en masse, then the easiest thing we can do is to bring out the anti ENIC chants when we're on a good run or are cruising in a game, when the stadium is buzzing. Bellow it loudly and proudly, and sing it alongside Postecoglou chants. It really doesn't have to be a negative thing to be anti ENIC, in fact it's the opposite. It's a chant of hope.

Unlikely, but might just make the deluded Levy think the fans aren't just a fickle bunch.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Big few weeks for Daniel, simply no excuses, all that left to spend

 

[CanadaSpurs]

Big few weeks for Daniel, simply no excuses, all that left to spend

My expectations are severely tempered, as I’ve seen it reported twice now that the “Kane money” is mostly spent already, on the NBC broadcast and by Eccleshare in the Athletic:

“Even before Kane left, 19-year-old striker Alejo Veliz was signed from Rosario Central for £13million ($16.5m), though it’s unclear how quickly he’ll be a regular part of the first team. Attacking players James Maddison and Manor Solomonhave also come in and in total Spurs have spent around £115million on fees for players this summer, plus an additional £64.6million on making the loan deals of Dejan Kulusevski and Pedro Porropermanent. The ‘Kane money’ has already been reinvested, according to some sources. Though that’s not to say there won’t be further incomings this window.”