The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Indacupfortottenham]

The only way to maybe force his hand into a sale is to hit him in the pocket I think - to start, on the days that match day protests happen no one buy a thing in the stadium, not a sausage (roll).
Easier said than done, I know that neck oil is nectar, but it’s also available nearby like everything else. Fuel up before and after the game - he would have a shit fit and he deserves it.

 

[Dunc2610]

The only way to maybe force his hand into a sale is to hit him in the pocket I think - to start, on the days that match day protests happen no one buy a thing in the stadium, not a sausage (roll).
Easier said than done, I know that neck oil is nectar, but it’s also available nearby like everything else. Fuel up before and after the game - he would have a shit fit and he deserves it.

That kind of thing will ALWAYS be tough due to those who are day trippers wanting food/drink/mementos! I'm not sure you can ever hit the clubs pocket hard enough?

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

That kind of thing will ALWAYS be tough due to those who are day trippers wanting food/drink/mementos! I'm not sure you can ever hit the clubs pocket hard enough?

True but if the majority kept their hands in their pockets, it would still have the same effect as his bottom line % would be hit hard.

 

[wrd]

Well, for a start, don’t settle for having our ambition diluted.

As soon as we become envious of wh for their minimal, negligible achievements , Levy has won.

We at least have to hold firm and aim higher.

But I respect the fact that we all have different ways of expressing our love for, our club and frustration with its current predicament.

What we shouldnt do is turn on each other and accuse people of being hoodwinked and gullible. Everyone knows we should be aiming for the top. Other than the criminality of two or three clubs, there is no reason why we shouldn’t aim to be the very best club in the country.

And it’s not the fans who are to blame. They just express themselves differently. We need to remember that.

Yeah I agree with this wholeheartedly, only caveat I'd say is that we simply have to accept those two or three clubs are part of the situation we have to find solutions to overcome. I don't think we should consider it impossible, I think we should relish the difficulty of the challenge.

I think we're coming to the point where we have to accept as a fanbase, the number of fans we do have who are unhappy and figure out a meaningful way to try and make a difference rather than try and convince those who don't agree. I think we as a fanbase don't need to all agree and it would be better to accept that some fans are content with where we are, not scold them for it and simply try and make a change with what we've got already. Whether that is to get behind THST or any direction, I don't know but I think we aren't as helpless as we think.

 

[McFlash]

Or already spent on the players we have bought!

God, I hope not but even if we have, we should still have a transfer budget for this window remaining.

 

[Matrix]

His mistake has been to appoint managers that are too defensive but 'serial winners' [that was on repetition for 4 years] and too specific in their requirements and then back those requirements, buy players for the style you want to play, and get managers to suit. Most of the top clubs don't entertain Managers and their requirements unless they have been there for several seasons prob half a decade. I'm no Levy fan but I'm not a fan of backing managers either.

I wasn't super excited by Ange, but at least he doesn't have a daft wishlist of players for 500M to get his system to work. By the looks of it, he's getting more of a tune out of the players at his disposal than boring 1 and 2 could.

Appreciate your opinion.

But look at what not backing a manager has achieved for us so far.....Was Poch backed when he needed to be?

Very few managers can do wonders with players that do not fit into s managers style of play. Like it or not successful managers have a “style” and more times than not are “backed” by their board to be successful.

Ange is getting a tune out of our mishmash of eras cause he is playing to the strengths of them. Look at his work at. Celtic, he ended up being back to shape a team with players that fitted his system..

Still all comes down to the mismanagement of Uncle Fester.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Appreciate your opinion.

But look at what not backing a manager has achieved for us so far.....Was Poch backed when he needed to be?

Very few managers can do wonders with players that do not fit into s managers style of play. Like it or not successful managers have a “style” and more times than not are “backed” by their board to be successful.

Ange is getting a tune out of our mishmash of eras cause he is playing to the strengths of them. Still all comes down to the mismanagement of Uncle Fester.

Poch was backed at the end but he had gone full Loco a bit as well, But you only have to look at him at Chelsea now, he won't get a say in anything, nor did he at PSG and he will have no choice but to be happy about that.

 

[McFlash]

Finally, is there a way to quote a post in one thread and reply in another (I assume there is...)? It would be helpful to know how to do that, not that I bother to post very often, but it would be the easiest way to 'take itk/Levy' to another thread.

Yes.
Intead of clicking reply, click on the quote button.
The start a post in the relevant thread and click 'insert quotes' and you can select the post to quote.

 

[vegassd]

Finally, is there a way to quote a post in one thread and reply in another (I assume there is...)? It would be helpful to know how to do that, not that I bother to post very often, but it would be the easiest way to 'take itk/Levy' to another thread.

When you click the "+ Quote" button it adds that post to a multi-quote list... kinda like a clipboard for quotes. You can then browse to any thread you want and be able to paste the quoted post in the reply box there.

I think the reality of the ITK thread is not to imply that Levy doesn't exist - just to create at least one thread on this site that doesn't get buried in anti-Levy posts. I appreciate that to somebody who truly hates Levy all the anti-Levy posts probably aren't boring. But to many others they are.

We all know Levy's behaviour, and that as chairman he has a hand in pretty much everything. But to use that logic to let every forum thread descend into an anti-Levy echo chamber is incredibly boring, and I believe that is something we would all like to avoid.

I also think that most people here are smart enough to know the difference between a spam post and a genuine discussion post. Unforuntatley I think people enjoy making spam posts and will use any excuse to get them in - e.g. "there was a pro-Levy post so I'm allowed to make an anti-Levy post" or "WLB mentioned Levy so it's OK". It shouldn't take much brainpower to know where the line is.

Your option of quoting somebody from the ITK thread and posting your reply in here is a great one. This thread is a perfect place for laying into Levy and nobody is going to having a dig at you for it.

 

[Matrix]

Poch was backed at the end but he had gone full Loco a bit as well, But you only have to look at him at Chelsea now, he won't get a say in anything, nor did he at PSG and he will have no choice but to be happy about that.

Yes agree, was backed with Ndom and LoCelso, to late in my opinion. As you say, Poch had gone a little loopy.
Poch at PSG & now at Chelsea will probably lap it up..The Cash invested is bigger than him....culture at those clubs is just not geared to a coach/manager.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Realistically, I can see these players moving out the door in the next two weeks:

Spence (homegrown, wanted by a few prem teams already)
Tanganga (see above)
Dier
Lloris
Ndombele
PEH

The wild assumption being that Levy takes what we can get for these players. This would take a huge chunk off our wage bill and trim the squad enough for 2-3 incomings.

I fear he may price a few out of a move though, or atleast this will cause their transfers to happen later in the window which we all know means selling clubs may not be willing to part with players anymore.

Its mind boggling that he doesn’t see the problem in this approach. I’m not saying we should take peanuts for these players, but if we are reasonable about the transfer fees these outgoings could be done quicker than they have been. The interest is there.

 

[UbeAstard]

I think we as a fanbase don't need to all agree and it would be better to accept that some fans are content with where we are, not scold them for it and simply try and make a change with what we've got already. Whether that is to get behind THST or any direction, I don't know but I think we aren't as helpless as we think.

No mate, its not accepting where we are things definitively need changing and improving. For me its acknowledging the things that needed to be done that have been done and not throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Its annoys me when some people project that the only way to see it is how they see it and everyone else is blind.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Levy has done my head in on numerous occasions but i've always tried to be fair in my assessment of his overall work at the club, undoubtedly he has done some great things to push the club up the pecking order.

but any goodwill i have had for him has gone, the last four years have been an absolute clusterfuck with bad decisions left, right and centre culminating in a toxic fanbase losing connection to the club.

It's not so much money spent but rather the lack of ambition shown all the time it's more the accumulation of little things he does that really really fuck me off and i've lost patience completely, the man will never change, so it's time for a change in leadership.

 

[wrd]

No mate, its not accepting where we are things definitively need changing and improving. For me its acknowledging the things that needed to be done that have been done and not throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Its annoys me when some people project that the only way to see it is how they see it and everyone else is blind.

I agree it annoys me too when people only project what they see and accuse everyone else of being blind and that wasn't my intention. I could have worded better perhaps but I merely meant accepting that enough people see it as we keep going round in circles and stop trying to make others see it that way and accept they see it differently.

However what I will say is, it also annoys me how many times it appears it's needed to repeat what most everybody agrees on. Do I really need with every post that speaks of change to pre-face it with how I feel about the stadium, about the training ground, about certain other aspects, I've done it in abundance, as have most people. Why is it that people always assume that those things have been negated? Personally I think I know why people do that but I don't think it should be necessary to highlight and give credit when credit has been given in abundance to the point where I think it's getting closer them owing us a debt with how much those things have allowed for more time given.

I think rather than assuming that people at arguing from a lower position of not considering those things, it's better to argue the point in the belief that those things have been taken into account and move the conversation forward, not backward.

 

[Mr Pink]

Levy is like one of those controversial refs who wants it to be all about him

 

[Misfit]

Levy is like one of those controversial refs who wants it to be all about him

I couldn't tell you the names of Liverpool's or Citeh's chairmen off the top of my head. And that's a good thing for those clubs. Ours is now the most recognisable name remaining. Arse about face.

 

[wrd]

Levy is like one of those controversial refs who wants it to be all about him

I think he wants to prove that his way can be successful, which it can and It's hard for me to criticise that mentality as I'm guilty of it myself in my own life. I think knowing when it creeps into allowing it to affect the greater cause then I think there is a valid argument to say that you've unknowingly made it about yourself. That you being right is more important than what's best for everyone.

 

[cookiemonster]

Danny Levy do distressed investing which is common with a property company

Which is why we are always looking at players with

Relegated clubs....one year left of contract....clubs in financial distress

 

[KingNick]

Danny Levy do distressed investing which is common with a property company

Which is why we are always looking at players with

Relegated clubs....one year left of contract....clubs in financial distress

It’s a confused application of Moneyball principles and, as you say, is exactly how a professional investor would approach Moneyball - find a player who for whatever reason you can get at an undervalue.

But whilst that is a core part of Moneyball, it ignores the overriding feature and that was that the player had to bring something to the team performance and the team had to get better.

 

[wrd]

It’s a confused application of Moneyball principles and, as you say, is exactly how a professional investor would approach Moneyball - find a player who for whatever reason you can get at an undervalue.

But whilst that is a core part of Moneyball, it ignores the overriding feature and that was that the player had to bring something to the team performance and the team had to get better.

One of the key parts of Moneyball (The film anyway) was that the coach had to understand what was trying to be accomplished and understanding how the pieces fit or else it falls apart. I said above, I think Levy wants to prove his way is right and that I believe it can be but all the different parts of Spurs have to be singing from the same song sheet. Now Ange looks like a manager who would be willing to, I hope there's clear communication.

I think it would be cutting my nose off to spite my face if I didn't say that clearly some issues have been addressed and it gives me some optimism for the future. I think arguably it's that optimism that makes it all the frustrations when the same issues rear their head.

Honestly all I want from the Levy right now is honest communication, I think the fanbase make the mistake of demanding huge changes when thing's aren't going well and I think we'd be better off simply right now, asking for honest communication. Help us understand what the plan is so that your decisions make sense within that context and put faith in us that we aren't too stupid to understand it. Even further if your priority is the investment side and you won't sacrifice it for football, I'd genuinely appreciate just being told that honestly, so that I and other fans can make informed decisions on how invested we are in what happens.