- Aug 5, 2006
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I think part of the problem is that there are some pretty reasonable posters like yourself, but then there are some extreme outliers as well. I think lots of people create an "us vs. them" scenario between those two groups of more extreme views, and it's like nobody is allowed to exist anywhere between.There was a conversation in another thread a few weeks back which pretty much explains how people can continue defending Levy and the way we operate.
They treat every situation as a brand new event and completely ignore history and patterns.
Yes, there's still a day left. Yes, it makes sense saying to wait for the window to close. Yes, they can conjure up some reason why every deal that falls through can't get done.
But look at it with the context of of modus operandi for the past 20 years and people can reasonably predict how this ends. We've seen the story so many times before. This window isn't any different - we're likely to leave ourselves short, we're playing a game of brinkmanship that we'll likely lose.
Some can remain optimistic if they wish but given history, others are right to be skeptical.
But we'll be here again next window. The same posters will get agitated at the way we operate and voice their frustrations, the same posters will talk down to them and tell them stop bed wetting and wait until the window is closed and we'll rinse and repeat, treating each window as if we don't know how it'll end.
I've said before this club will ever be united under this chairman. He clearly won't change the way he operates. Some fans will never trust him. Some fans will defend him to the end. And it'll be a constant battle of the BSODL vs the Bed Wetters -on here and in other parts of the internet.
It's a shame and it's tiresome.
There's also a problem when people make a leap from somebody defending an individual decision/point of view, to that person defending everything that Levy has ever done. It's a complete conversation killer and should be obvious that it isn't true.
I agree with you that we can look at the past to inform opinions about the present, but that shouldn't be done as an exclusive thing. It typically makes me smile when people use the "20 years" line because I think that ignores the change of status at Spurs over that time, and the huge changes that have happened in the PL during that time as well.
I personally think that we act very differently now than even 10 years ago, but I also think that the landscape has changed drastically. If anything, I think we are less well suited to the current football climate than we were 10 years ago. So to me, if somebody says "we have acted the same way for 20 years" I would disagree with that. Doesn't mean I'm defending Levy... if anything the opposite would be true.
As a final observation, I totally agree that we will be in the same situation next window. I actually find it really bizarre that people work themselves up so much each time! But something that annoys me (and I'm sure others) is when people post Levy stuff every time anything remotely bad happens between now and then - even when there is decent evidence that contradicts them.
I'm not saying there should be no discussion of Levy outside of transfer windows of course - but I think it's those constant "stick beatings" that form a back drop to lots of the frustration that people have. For me at least. I don't think that's ever going to change, but I hope it might illuminate the situation a little for people who are surprised by what they see as a "Levy defence".
I don't think it's always defending Levy... sometimes it's trying to decrease the amount of anti-Levy spam that can clog up threads. I think it's very rational to be skeptical of our transfer business - I am myself - but we all know there are some who go very overboard.
Here's hoping we get some good news today one way or another.