The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[ukdy]

To build a stadium for a billion quid from an Australian company specialising in building sports stadiums isnt that tough.

Give over.. Isn't that tough? This has to be a troll AI account?

I admire the programming effort on the posts though. Even throwing in grammatical errors to appear human and of low IQ.

 

[Misfit]

The stadium, and business side of things in general, is the one area DL can't be criticised for.

If he's finally managed to see/understand the value of a settled and coherent technical set up via the results Pat and co delivered transfer wise then the sucking chest wound of despair those of us have had wrt DL will also begin to finally heal.

 

[mil1lion]

Give over.. Isn't that tough? This has to be a troll AI account?

I admire the programming effort on the posts though. Even throwing in grammatical errors to appear human and of low IQ.

That's a bit harsh on AI. It's come a long way over the years. I don't think ChatGPT gets it that wrong. Look.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

On the football side, it is well established Levy had no consistent strategy. That drove many of us crazy. If he wasn't the person marking his own home work he would have been sacked for his failures years ago.

Headless chicken zig zagging between systems managers and proper football men. Levy actually appointed Sherwood!!!! It meant we often had a mismatch between the squad and what the manager needed for his approach. Then of course, we know Levy thought he knew about football and would interfere in transfers, undermining various managers. The endless micro interfering, the weird psychological tick that "winning" every single deal was more important than the pressing needs of the squad, and so on and so on. Also without doubt during his tenure there have been periods when footballing success was not his priority. We were right to be concerned , even angry about that. And that's not even getting into the Stratford and super league scandals.

At the moment I am holding my breath. We might actually be at the crossroads, where the penny has finally dropped. A thought through football strategy, with experts (ie NOT Levy, and NOT Levy's son) making the day to day football decisions. I desperately hope that the corner has been turned. Looks like we have got very lucky with Ange, and the front office support is looking much better. But it's too early to tell, let's see what happens in the next transfer windows, let's see if after a year or two of Ange we start to hear stories again about the internal politics and meddling returning.

I can't speak for all Levy critics, for me, it wasn't about net spend, it was about realising that the only way we challenge for trophies against the oil teams is having a strategy and sticking to it. This all seems to depend on whether Levy truly has removed himself from the football side of things. If he has we have a chance, if Levy still feels he can mirco manage and interfere, then sadly we will see our recent history repeating itself again.

 

[HodisGawd]

Thats a fair point. And i was there that night at Wembley against Real Madrid. was magical. Its about integrity and truth though. Im just not going to let history pretend Levy is some sort of genius for doing something 90% of folks on here could do. To build a stadium for a billion quid from an Australian company specialising in building sports stadiums isnt that tough. And it wasnt a gift. We paid for it with the highest football ticket prices in the world and still are. But its also true his historic failure to buy in 3 transfer windows was more harmful to the club. Thats probably his apex of damage to the club.

The stadium is magnificent and, whether you're a Levy-inner or a Levy-outter, we should all give Levy full credit for delivering it. There really is little argument about that.

But saying that getting it built was something "something 90% of folks on here could do" is hilarious. I feel embarrassed for you.

You do sound like a troll, or someone deliberately trying to make the Levy-outters appear like weird zealots.

 

[14/04/91]

Thats a fair point. And i was there that night at Wembley against Real Madrid. was magical. Its about integrity and truth though. Im just not going to let history pretend Levy is some sort of genius for doing something 90% of folks on here could do. To build a stadium for a billion quid from an Australian company specialising in building sports stadiums isnt that tough. And it wasnt a gift. We paid for it with the highest football ticket prices in the world and still are. But its also true his historic failure to buy in 3 transfer windows was more harmful to the club. Thats probably his apex of damage to the club.

Do you mean Multiplex (the firm that built Wembley)?
They didn’t build our stadium, Mace did.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Do you mean Multiplex (the firm that built Wembley)?
They didn’t build our stadium, Mace did.

Could also argue Multiplex's work on Wembley made Mace's work on ours look like a breeze!

 

[HodisGawd]

On the football side, it is well established Levy had no consistent strategy. That drove many of us crazy. If he wasn't the person marking his own home work he would have been sacked for his failures years ago.

Headless chicken zig zagging between systems managers and proper football men. Levy actually appointed Sherwood!!!! It meant we often had a mismatch between the squad and what the manager needed for his approach. Then of course, we know Levy thought he knew about football and would interfere in transfers, undermining various managers. The endless micro interfering, the weird psychological tick that "winning" every single deal was more important than the pressing needs of the squad, and so on and so on. Also without doubt during his tenure there have been periods when footballing success was not his priority. We were right to be concerned , even angry about that. And that's not even getting into the Stratford and super league scandals.

At the moment I am holding my breath. We might actually be at the crossroads, where the penny has finally dropped. A thought through football strategy, with experts (ie NOT Levy, and NOT Levy's son) making the day to day football decisions. I desperately hope that the corner has been turned. Looks like we have got very lucky with Ange, and the front office support is looking much better. But it's too early to tell, let's see what happens in the next transfer windows, let's see if after a year or two of Ange we start to hear stories again about the internal politics and meddling returning.

I can't speak for all Levy critics, for me, it wasn't about net spend, it was about realising that the only way we challenge for trophies against the oil teams is having a strategy and sticking to it. This all seems to depend on whether Levy truly has removed himself from the football side of things. If he has we have a chance, if Levy still feels he can mirco manage and interfere, then sadly we will see our recent history repeating itself again.

It's not well established he had "no strategy". If you read or listen to what he has said over the years, he's been remarkably consistent and clearly outlined his plans for the club—it's just many fans haven't listened or willfully misrepresented events.

The problem for Levy, and us, is it was either the wrong strategy or it simply didn't work. Jose, Nuno and Conte are testament to that. Note that many of us supporters also thought employing a "win-now" manager was the way to go, in fact, part of the reason he went down that route was because of the pressure we were putting him under.

Either way, it fell below expectations (expectations that were partly increased due to footballing successes under Levy) and we've had a few years that can be considered disappointing, although we have qualified for Champs Leagues and had good league positions (even last year was, historically, decent).

Levy was quite open about that failure, without giving us any blame, during the recent fan forum event. In my view, we deserve a small part of the blame (maybe 10%) for the club making a series of appointments that didn't fit.

 

[Trix]

People know how I feel about Daniel but he's done very little wrong since the appointment of Ange. The two Villa boys are very questionable(to say the least) and I'm not happy about Gabbanini, but they are on Munn. As someone who has campaigned for him to stay out of the footballing matters I can't give him stick for doing just that regardless of the outcome.

I'm not going to forgive him his many mistakes and occasional clusterfuck, but there's little point keep kicking him whilst he's getting things right. If/when he starts throwing grenades around again I'll be bringing all the past disasters back up for certain but until then he's on a very long slow road to redemption for my money.

 

[McFlash]

pretend Levy is some sort of genius for doing something 90% of folks on here could do. To build a stadium for a billion quid from an Australian company specialising in building sports stadiums isnt that tough.

Have a word with yourself thanks.

Yeah, I struggle with jigsaws.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Isn't there also a thing around certain european/world competition finals can't be played in stadiums that are sponsored?

When UEFA matches are played at stadiums like say the Etihad the sponsers name cannot be used so the commentators on radio/TV call it the Manchester City stadium.

 

[mil1lion]

It's only certain sponsors though

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Thats a fair point. And i was there that night at Wembley against Real Madrid. was magical. Its about integrity and truth though. Im just not going to let history pretend Levy is some sort of genius for doing something 90% of folks on here could do. To build a stadium for a billion quid from an Australian company specialising in building sports stadiums isnt that tough. And it wasnt a gift. We paid for it with the highest football ticket prices in the world and still are. But its also true his historic failure to buy in 3 transfer windows was more harmful to the club. Thats probably his apex of damage to the club.

The architects of the stadium were Populous a worldwide company , they were not the builders, the builders were Mace .
The senior architect was Chrisopher Lee who is Australian, just a look at the Populous website shows the stadium is the jewel in their crown.

Architectural Design - Events, Stadiums, Convention Centers | Populous

Populous is a global architectural design firm specializing in creating environments & venues that draw communities and people together.

populous.com

The season there were no transfers in was 18/19 so just two windows, summer 18 and january 19, not sure how you get three windows.

Tottenham Hotspur - All transfers

This page shows all ever transfers of the Tottenham, including arrivals, departures and loans. It also displays the transfer fees.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[brasil_spur]

To be fair, we're not the only club that's got managerial appointments wrong and paid the price.
Granted, ours were higher profile and therefore more expensive but that was because he was trying to get us the best manager available at the time.

It was actually quite a coup for both Conte and Jose to come to Spurs, as big as their names and reputations were, and yes, they both failed and we're expensive but that happens in football.

I don’t think Jose ended up costing us much as he joined Roma in the summer and thus gave up the majority of his pay-off. I also doubt Conte cost much either as his contract expired a couple of months after he was let go.

Would be interesting to see the actual number on these two, but I think there’s a lot of hyperbole about them being expensive mistakes.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

It's only certain sponsors though

Pretty sure all stadiums are called by the team name and not the sponsor, on UEFA website Brighton home matches in Europa League are shown as being played at Brighton & Hove Albion stadium not the Amex.
Think the perimeter adverts also have to be UEFA approved in all UEFA matches.

 

[McFlash]

I don’t think Jose ended up costing us much as he joined Roma in the summer and thus gave up the majority of his pay-off. I also doubt Conte cost much either as his contract expired a couple of months after he was let go.

Would be interesting to see the actual number on these two, but I think there’s a lot of hyperbole about them being expensive mistakes.

That's a good point, I'd forgotten that Jose wasn't out of work for long.
So you're right, probably wasn't half as expensive as some would like to believe.

 

[14/04/91]

People know how I feel about Daniel but he's done very little wrong since the appointment of Ange. The two Villa boys are very questionable(to say the least) and I'm not happy about Gabbanini, but they are on Munn. As someone who has campaigned for him to stay out of the footballing matters I can't give him stick for doing just that regardless of the outcome.

I'm not going to forgive him his many mistakes and occasional clusterfuck, but there's little point keep kicking him whilst he's getting things right. If/when he starts throwing grenades around again I'll be bringing all the past disasters back up for certain but until then he's on a very long slow road to redemption for my money.

What’s your concerns with the Villa appointments Trix? Do you feel Gabbanini could’ve had the Lange job?

 

[Drink!Drink!]

It's not well established he had "no strategy". If you read or listen to what he has said over the years, he's been remarkably consistent and clearly outlined his plans for the club—it's just many fans haven't listened or willfully misrepresented events.

The problem for Levy, and us, is it was either the wrong strategy or it simply didn't work. Jose, Nuno and Conte are testament to that. Note that many of us supporters also thought employing a "win-now" manager was the way to go, in fact, part of the reason he went down that route was because of the pressure we were putting him under.

Either way, it fell below expectations (expectations that were partly increased due to footballing successes under Levy) and we've had a few years that can be considered disappointing, although we have qualified for Champs Leagues and had good league positions (even last year was, historically, decent).

Levy was quite open about that failure, without giving us any blame, during the recent fan forum event. In my view, we deserve a small part of the blame (maybe 10%) for the club making a series of appointments that didn't fit.

In a way I was trying to reach out, fingers crossed we were moving into a better new world...Levy sill here but perhaps in a welcome evolution and change or roles. then this! Apparently,

There was always a Levy strategy but we were too thick to understand it (too thick to understand the Sherwood strategy, I will plead guilty on that one)

And the appointments of Mourinho and Nuno were actually our fault, Danny was just going along with what we wanted

And Levy gets praise for not blaming the fans for the failed managerial appointments.

It's a complete, and bogus rewriting of history. There was just about zero clamour for Mourinho after the sacking of Poch. Some people I am sure, in the eternal spirit of wanting things to be ok, would have tried to get behind the "logic" after he was appointed, but no way, there was no pressure from "us" to appoint him....or indeed Nuno...are we also getting the blame for that farcical new manager search as well? That absolutely definitely demonstrated there was a ruthless strategy being put in place

As I say, I do hope we have moved on as a club now. Hope is the word.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

"The final cost is much greater than what had been initially estimated for the London heavyweights. At the outset, it was estimated that the construction of the new stadium would incur costs of around £400 million, but in 2017 it emerged that it would actually be nearly double that - around £750m"

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Guy has a track record of disastrous business decisions. The stadium over run and double the initial cost being the apex. But as time goes on folks like yourself pretend it was a giant success. It wasn't. His meddling cost us a fortune. 500m at least when you consider Wembley costs and the 2 season over run. Incompetent doesn't cut it at this level. Nepotism does though. If you're happy with that. Cool. I'm just going to remind people the facts we have an idiot in charge. This is just one example. You are more than welcome to insult me. It means nothing to me buddy.

This analysis is blighted by your hatred of the man. He has moved the club forward massively in many aspects since his chairmanship began. Objectively. There are obviously arguments to be had about whether he can take us any further now or if we would’ve won more trophies with a different chairman (doubtful unless we were funded by a nation state or a free spending billionaire) but to say he’s an idiot with a track record of disastrous business decisions is at best hyperbole and at worst just plain nonsense.