The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Metalhead]

If there was a way of keeping ENIC as owners but having some fresh input on decision making in the football arena and leave Levy to the commercial side of things, that would be ideal.

 

[cookiemonster]

Is he ousted yet?

Hopefully soon..fingers crossed

 

[Pekoni]

Is he ousted yet?

No but Conte and him will have a jousting match on the pitch at out next home game

 

[danielneeds]

If there was a way of keeping ENIC as owners but having some fresh input on decision making in the football arena and leave Levy to the commercial side of things, that would be ideal.

That was supposed to be what Paratici’s appointment signalled. Levy can’t help himself though. He’s a control freak and he’s also set in his ways.

 

[WhiteStripe]

No but Conte and him will have a jousting match on the pitch at out next home game

Finally some entertainment at the stadium!!!

 

[Mattspur]

Do you understand how to grow serious wealth without paying taxes?

Dividends are taxable income. Investing funds back in the business grows the original investment value - tax deferred - particularly when a lot of that reinvestment goes into tangible things like real estate, property development, new stadiums and the like.

So you agree that he's not taking money out of the club and that the more successful the club is the greater the value of the investment. That sounds like a good thing.

 

[Mattspur]

That was supposed to be what Paratici’s appointment signalled. Levy can’t help himself though. He’s a control freak and he’s also set in his ways.

Why do you believe Levy isn't keeping to the arrangement he had with Paratici? Surely if Paratici was being undermined he would walk away?

Also, whenever Conte is asked about transfer business and club strategy, he always says he is happy and that Paratici, Levy and himself are all in agreement on how the club should move forward.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

So you agree that he's not taking money out of the club and that the more successful the club is the greater the value of the investment. That sounds like a good thing.

Good thing for whom?

It hasn’t been a good thing for football success. It’s been a brilliant strategy for ENIC though.

So YEAH ENIC! ????

 

[ultimateloner]

I feel the DL scape-goating is unfair. I expect alot of 'disagrees' but here we go:

1) Chelsea and Liverpool, clubs with more money and a better squad, are both below us currently.
2) Arsenal, widely ridiculed last season and the season before, are now title contenders
3) Man Utd was in the shits just before WC and has been for the last decade.

This tells you a couple of things:

1) Inherent problems in a squad take just more than money to fix. Chelsea's longstanding striker-problem was not solved, latest victim = Lukaku who we know is quality given what he did for Man Utd. Liverpool's TAA problem is being targeted (despite him being PL's best offensive fullback and is better than anything we ever had).
2) Patience matters. Arteta is prime example of that.
3) Spending big short term is not the answer. Everton backed Anchelotti wrongly, bring in his players, and has been struggling since.

Conclusions:
1) Consistently spending big is a pre-requisite to stay competitive
2) Willingness to spend may still result in failure as seen by Man Utd + Chelsea. We have our share of flops.
3) Consistently being within CL is an achievemnt in itself; it's about where we should be given our wage spend. Few fans appreciate this.
4) Our financial muscle will likely be bolstered by the new stadium but we've only had it recently. We haven't made enough money (saving) off it to justify spending big. Spending what you don't currently have is not prudent, and football is a long game.

Therefore it's reasonable that other fans think Spurs fans are entitled. We are about where we should be; trying to get into CL. Return on investment (in terms of recruitment) over the long run is what matters; because hopefully the gems will outweigh the flops.

DL's last 20 years had seen us rise from the Sugar era, to being where we should be. If you want him out, then you are asking for ownership to be flipped to someone more willing to spend; this makes sense, because short of being sovergin-backed, the fire-power is unlikely to change in the short term (and even it's flipped the money may never come).

I think DL-out is pre-mature.

 

[Metalhead]

Why do you believe Levy isn't keeping to the arrangement he had with Paratici? Surely if Paratici was being undermined he would walk away?

Also, whenever Conte is asked about transfer business and club strategy, he always says he is happy and that Paratici, Levy and himself are all in agreement on how the club should move forward.

Hope so. Just not liking what we're hearing at the moment.

 

[danielneeds]

Why do you believe Levy isn't keeping to the arrangement he had with Paratici? Surely if Paratici was being undermined he would walk away?

Also, whenever Conte is asked about transfer business and club strategy, he always says he is happy and that Paratici, Levy and himself are all in agreement on how the club should move forward.

You not been around this place long? There’s been plenty ITK that Levy is sticking his oar in and not ceding control to Paratici.

 

[Trent Crimm]

I feel the DL scape-goating is unfair. I expect alot of 'disagrees' but here we go:

1) Chelsea and Liverpool, clubs with more money and a better squad, are both below us currently.
2) Arsenal, widely ridiculed last season and the season before, are now title contenders
3) Man Utd was in the shits just before WC and has been for the last decade.

This tells you a couple of things:

1) Inherent problems in a squad take just more than money to fix. Chelsea's longstanding striker-problem was not solved, latest victim = Lukaku who we know is quality given what he did for Man Utd. Liverpool's TAA problem is being targeted (despite him being PL's best offensive fullback and is better than anything we ever had).
2) Patience matters. Arteta is prime example of that.
3) Spending big short term is not the answer. Everton backed Anchelotti wrongly, bring in his players, and has been struggling since.

Conclusions:
1) Consistently spending big is a pre-requisite to stay competitive
2) Willingness to spend may still result in failure as seen by Man Utd + Chelsea. We have our share of flops.
3) Consistently being within CL is an achievemnt in itself; it's about where we should be given our wage spend. Few fans appreciate this.
4) Our financial muscle will likely be bolstered by the new stadium but we've only had it recently. We haven't made enough money (saving) off it to justify spending big. Spending what you don't currently have is not prudent, and football is a long game.

Therefore it's reasonable that other fans think Spurs fans are entitled. We are about where we should be; trying to get into CL. Return on investment (in terms of recruitment) over the long run is what matters; because hopefully the gems will outweigh the flops.

DL's last 20 years had seen us rise from the Sugar era, to being where we should be. If you want him out, then you are asking for ownership to be flipped to someone more willing to spend; this makes sense, because short of being sovergin-backed, the fire-power is unlikely to change in the short term (and even it's flipped the money may never come).

I think DL-out is pre-mature.

Hey Donna, how’s it going? You going to the City game? Let me know. X

 

[Mattspur]

Good thing for whom?

It hasn’t been a good thing for football success. It’s been a brilliant strategy for ENIC though.

So YEAH ENIC! ????

It's been unbelievable for football success. No other team has had the meteoric rise that Spurs have had under ENIC. We've gone from being mid table at best to regular top 4 finishers. Who else has managed that? It's unparalleled. We've been in the Champions League final and numerous domestic cup semi-finals and finals. We've even had a couple of cracks at the league title. Spurs, in a title race!

 

[YiddoBirdy]

Not sure Levy’s to blame here. Appointed Conte who was meant to be one of the best coaches in world football and he did get us back to the champions league which was our aim last season.
We spent pretty big in the summer and on paper it looked like a great transfer window imo and I think everyone was pretty optimistic going into this season.

So what exactly has he done wrong in the last 4 months? He’s not on the pitch or in control of our tactics

 

[Mattspur]

You not been around this place long? There’s been plenty ITK that Levy is sticking his oar in and not ceding control to Paratici.

I always take ITK with a healthy dose of salt. You only have to read through the past transfer window ITK threads to see that whilst the information passed on is done with the best of intentions "things often change".

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I feel the DL scape-goating is unfair. I expect alot of 'disagrees' but here we go:

1) Chelsea and Liverpool, clubs with more money and a better squad, are both below us currently.
2) Arsenal, widely ridiculed last season and the season before, are now title contenders
3) Man Utd was in the shits just before WC and has been for the last decade.

This tells you a couple of things:

1) Inherent problems in a squad take just more than money to fix. Chelsea's longstanding striker-problem was not solved, latest victim = Lukaku who we know is quality given what he did for Man Utd. Liverpool's TAA problem is being targeted (despite him being PL's best offensive fullback and is better than anything we ever had).
2) Patience matters. Arteta is prime example of that.
3) Spending big short term is not the answer. Everton backed Anchelotti wrongly, bring in his players, and has been struggling since.

Conclusions:
1) Consistently spending big is a pre-requisite to stay competitive
2) Willingness to spend may still result in failure as seen by Man Utd + Chelsea. We have our share of flops.
3) Consistently being within CL is an achievemnt in itself; it's about where we should be given our wage spend. Few fans appreciate this.
4) Our financial muscle will likely be bolstered by the new stadium but we've only had it recently. We haven't made enough money (saving) off it to justify spending big. Spending what you don't currently have is not prudent, and football is a long game.

Therefore it's reasonable that other fans think Spurs fans are entitled. We are about where we should be; trying to get into CL. Return on investment (in terms of recruitment) over the long run is what matters; because hopefully the gems will outweigh the flops.

DL's last 20 years had seen us rise from the Sugar era, to being where we should be. If you want him out, then you are asking for ownership to be flipped to someone more willing to spend; this makes sense, because short of being sovergin-backed, the fire-power is unlikely to change in the short term (and even it's flipped the money may never come).

I think DL-out is pre-mature.

The wider issue is vision on the pitch. Currently it doesn’t make much sense, we are neither one thing or the other. I agree with patience but patience only works with a plan. ENIC/Levy have not demonstrated a long term plan for the football, what is our identity, nobody knows.

A back Conte, spend the money to build him a world class squad and do it properly, no cheap buys. Get big investment if needed.

B sack Conte, buy cheaper younger players and build with a Pochettino style developer with high energy attacking football.

Club needs to decide what we are, what is our philosophy. Who are we, the ownership, manager and players currently look a mishmash. That is what more than anything else needs to change. That I think is where ENIC have lost the fans, we don’t know the goals anymore.

 

[danielneeds]

I always take ITK with a healthy dose of salt. You only have to read through the past transfer window ITK threads to see that whilst the information passed on is done with the best of intentions "things often change".

Maybe, but the fact that Conte wouldn’t sign a new contract tells you all you need to know.

 

[DarwinSpur]

I feel the DL scape-goating is unfair. I expect alot of 'disagrees' but here we go:

1) Chelsea and Liverpool, clubs with more money and a better squad, are both below us currently.
2) Arsenal, widely ridiculed last season and the season before, are now title contenders
3) Man Utd was in the shits just before WC and has been for the last decade.

This tells you a couple of things:

1) Inherent problems in a squad take just more than money to fix. Chelsea's longstanding striker-problem was not solved, latest victim = Lukaku who we know is quality given what he did for Man Utd. Liverpool's TAA problem is being targeted (despite him being PL's best offensive fullback and is better than anything we ever had).
2) Patience matters. Arteta is prime example of that.
3) Spending big short term is not the answer. Everton backed Anchelotti wrongly, bring in his players, and has been struggling since.

Conclusions:
1) Consistently spending big is a pre-requisite to stay competitive
2) Willingness to spend may still result in failure as seen by Man Utd + Chelsea. We have our share of flops.
3) Consistently being within CL is an achievemnt in itself; it's about where we should be given our wage spend. Few fans appreciate this.
4) Our financial muscle will likely be bolstered by the new stadium but we've only had it recently. We haven't made enough money (saving) off it to justify spending big. Spending what you don't currently have is not prudent, and football is a long game.

Therefore it's reasonable that other fans think Spurs fans are entitled. We are about where we should be; trying to get into CL. Return on investment (in terms of recruitment) over the long run is what matters; because hopefully the gems will outweigh the flops.

DL's last 20 years had seen us rise from the Sugar era, to being where we should be. If you want him out, then you are asking for ownership to be flipped to someone more willing to spend; this makes sense, because short of being sovergin-backed, the fire-power is unlikely to change in the short term (and even it's flipped the money may never come).

I think DL-out is pre-mature.

You'll get pelters but this is a fair objective view. The problem is football fans aren't objective and for very good reason.

Enic don't take dividends out of spurs (as yet). All the "profits" remain in the club. The issue is that whether those profits will be used to pay down stadium/infrastructure debt or used on player acquisition/speculation.

 

[murichej]

Dont necessarily want levy out. But please Mr Daniel, just do something. Either resign, get in QSI, sign Porro, sell Somebody, anything. Just do something because the situation is unbarable.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

I feel the DL scape-goating is unfair. I expect alot of 'disagrees' but here we go:

1) Chelsea and Liverpool, clubs with more money and a better squad, are both below us currently.
2) Arsenal, widely ridiculed last season and the season before, are now title contenders
3) Man Utd was in the shits just before WC and has been for the last decade.

This tells you a couple of things:

1) Inherent problems in a squad take just more than money to fix. Chelsea's longstanding striker-problem was not solved, latest victim = Lukaku who we know is quality given what he did for Man Utd. Liverpool's TAA problem is being targeted (despite him being PL's best offensive fullback and is better than anything we ever had).
2) Patience matters. Arteta is prime example of that.
3) Spending big short term is not the answer. Everton backed Anchelotti wrongly, bring in his players, and has been struggling since.

Conclusions:
1) Consistently spending big is a pre-requisite to stay competitive
2) Willingness to spend may still result in failure as seen by Man Utd + Chelsea. We have our share of flops.
3) Consistently being within CL is an achievemnt in itself; it's about where we should be given our wage spend. Few fans appreciate this.
4) Our financial muscle will likely be bolstered by the new stadium but we've only had it recently. We haven't made enough money (saving) off it to justify spending big. Spending what you don't currently have is not prudent, and football is a long game.

Therefore it's reasonable that other fans think Spurs fans are entitled. We are about where we should be; trying to get into CL. Return on investment (in terms of recruitment) over the long run is what matters; because hopefully the gems will outweigh the flops.

DL's last 20 years had seen us rise from the Sugar era, to being where we should be. If you want him out, then you are asking for ownership to be flipped to someone more willing to spend; this makes sense, because short of being sovergin-backed, the fire-power is unlikely to change in the short term (and even it's flipped the money may never come).

I think DL-out is pre-mature.

Bro, 1 cup in 20+ years and we're still playing Ben Davies and Eric Dier after almost 9 years of failure. Everything is moot. The bald tyrant has to go.