The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[BujuBanton]

No heart. No soul. No acknowledgement of mistakes. No compassion. No empathy. No sympathy with supporter concerns. No CONNECTION with supporters. Just a lengthy “we’re right and you are wrong”.

In light of recent protests, this would have been the perfect opportunity to align with supporters and ease any fears. Stoke up the passion, increase morale, give us something to believe in……..

All its done is ramped up the calls for Daniel Levy and ENIC to go. Reinvigorated the calls to protest on sunday.

whoever was responsible for it should take a step back and evaluatewhether they truely understand the difference between city corporate and a community football club.

Another mistake, to add to the ever growning list.

what a bunch of piss gargling wankers

LEVY OUT

 

[chas vs dave]

Nobody is asking for corporates to speak to us like cringey supporters, just a more human touch and a more passionate ambitious pledge to try and win something, with a team we can be proud of playing some dynamic, interesting, well coached football, we won't tolerate passengers, we want to deliver for the fans, not corporate defensive bullshit.

They said this:

We want to be consistently qualifying for the Champions League and challenging for and winning major honours.

Isn't that a pledge that they want to be winning things.

The trust should have been asking for confirmation that all profits will be put back into the footballing aspects for the foreseeable future.

 

[Trent Crimm]

I'm a masochist and read it again

They could have saved a lot of time and just written

"Let them eat cake"

Tottenham cake

Not sure it’s cake they are making us eat, starts with a c tho, has 4 letters and ends in a K !

 

[chas vs dave]

No heart. No soul. No acknowledgement of mistakes. No compassion. No empathy. No sympathy with supporter concerns. No CONNECTION with supporters. Just a lengthy “we’re right and you are wrong”.

Did you read it, It says this:

Mistakes at this level leave a financial and sporting impact for future seasons. We have felt the financial impact of supporting player purchases which have not worked out as hoped. We have taken steps to improve this area of operations and the recent windows reflect this.


Isn't that the crux of them admitting mistakes have been made. They aren't going to write a grovelling apology. Yes, it's a bit corporate, however its at least an acknowledgement.

 

[dontcallme]

I take no joy in being the black sheep, but I thought it was pretty boring but fairly reasonable response from them.

The poster who said they didn't read the room is spot on.

But I'm glad they didn't. I just find a lot of the supporters criticisms (not all tbf) are so over the top. I struggle to relate to them.

I don't want a chairman or spokesperson from the club to sound like a guy down the pub. I want players to be be passionate. Managers to sometimes show passion. But I want stewards of the club to be reasonable and find corporates who try and speak the language of supporters to be pretty cringe.

I wish they had given more details, particularly on addressing their admitted mistakes, but despite all the negs (and eggs) about to come my way, I'm overall encouraged by the investment and signings in recent windows. If we can do similar for a couple windows more I think we'll have a bloody good squad with a good mix of experience and youth.

Okay, fire away, gents!

A perfectly decent post.

I don’t think things are particularly bad. I think I’ve just lost a lot of hope that we’ll ever do enough to compete at the top.

Paratici’s uncertain situation, struggling to sell players, decent but not huge investment and uncertainty with the manager doesn’t put me into a confident place.

Plus we’ve performed poorly most of the season.

I just don’t believe ENIC will ever go the extra mile or run the club to a level where we can compete despite a smaller budget.

It’s not that things are bad, just that they’re meh.

 

[Russ1201]

Someone elsewhere suggested following what Frankfurt supporters did by throwing tennis balls onto the pitch just before kick off on televised games. It will take ages to remove them and the television company will need to address the protest of Levy out. It would make the news too.

Love that idea ?

 

[only1waddle]

They said this:

We want to be consistently qualifying for the Champions League and challenging for and winning major honours.

Isn't that a pledge that they want to be winning things.

The trust should have been asking for confirmation that all profits will be put back into the footballing aspects for the foreseeable future.

I didn't miss that, but again it just feels like corporate junk, as stated, a human touch is needed.
With all the protests recently, something like "We want to deliver silverware for the loyal supporters of this club, it's been too long for a club of our stature, we want the fans to feel connected again and we plan to rectify this"

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

problem is mate, that coach wont get us up and at it from the off, it was bad under Poch before it got great.

So there wont be a flick of the switch.

I know that mate but when it was 'bad' under Poch I personally never felt like the grounds were anywhere near as negative and toxic as they are now after the build-up of 3x managers who all play negative anti-possession rigid boring football.

When Poch was building us up to me anyway there were shoots of encouragement when it came to the style of play, we pressed well at certain times, we tried to dominate the ball as much as we could, I know it was only QPR but I remember 2nd home game of the season I think it was, we won 4-0 and there were some lovely flowing moves, it just seemed to me that Poch needed more time and to clear out the bad eggs in the group. Also he showed at Southampton what exciting football he could produce, whereas none of Jose, Nuno or Conte have really ever had any of their teams playing in a particularly exciting style so when Conte preaches 'time and patcience' that is time and patcience to get to a level to hopefully win but the product we are watching won't particularly improve that much, mabye a little bit with extra quality players but the fundamental principles of the style of play remain pragmatic, largely defensive, stand-offish and lower levels of possession and creativity and freedom.

No football fans are ever always happy so sure if we'd brought in Ten Haag some would be complaining straight away or losing patcience if results and or performances were great at first but I just think that would be such a small amount compared to if/when Jose, Nuno and Conte results drop off its like 90%+of our fans who lose their shit rather than a much smaller %.

If Conte signs a new long term deal and we got him 5 quality players next summer so we can really compete to win the league etc then if the style of play improved and bit and the results were really good things would be okish but there would still be that concern for me that the second the results go sour in combination with the style of play it very very quickly goes very very negative and toxic, moreso now because of the build-up from Jose and Nuno era's.

 

[chas vs dave]

I didn't miss that, but again it just feels like corporate junk, as stated, a human touch is needed.
With all the protests recently, something like "We want to deliver silverware for the loyal supporters of this club, it's been too long for a club of our stature, we want the fans to feel connected again and we plan to rectify this"

Agreed, however they were never going to. Not that I think it matters, I'm not sure anything will placate some posters on here.

 

[RuskyM]

They're right that the issue of "spend some fucking money" isn't accurate - it's that we've spent a lot of money in really daft ways. The issue is that we have no plan, no coherent strategy and no connection - the club is billy big bollocks when it's trying to justify its absurd prices and yet apparently it can't compete when it gets pulled up for lack of success. Begs the question why are we pretending we can if we'll always be short - surely if you can't win, you have to at least give people a reason to care?

I will say they're clearly still spooked post Ndombele/GLC, but I'd counter that appointing a manager who was never going to use them immediately afterward was more daft than anything.

 

[cjbyid]

Someone elsewhere suggested following what Frankfurt supporters did by throwing tennis balls onto the pitch just before kick off on televised games. It will take ages to remove them and the television company will need to address the protest of Levy out. It would make the news too.

That would work, Sevilla fans did this years ago as well when protesting. It was pretty funny.

Imagine a siege of tennis balls from the south stand

 

[only1waddle]

Agreed, however they were never going to. Not that I think it matters, I'm not sure anything will placate some posters on here.

I said weeks ago they would answer it easily with a corporate reply, I was under no illusion, I'm not angry just a bit disheartened mate.

 

[chas vs dave]

I said weeks ago they would answer it easily with a corporate reply, I was under no illusion, I'm not angry just a bit disheartened mate.

Its been a bit of a drain. Ive said that I'm not pro, or anti Levy/Enic, however I'm not convinced we can progress unless something changes.

I really don't know what the root cause is, however we've hit a glass ceiling.

The uncertainty is a pain, and the thing that annoys me most with spurs was the jump in ST prices upon moving to the new stadium.

 

[vegassd]

What did people want and expect though from this little exercise? Did people want the club to come out and say 'yep we will spend £200m this summer and on centre backs' - not gonna happen. The questions werent exactly great to begin with so im unsure what was expected in terms of answers. They were factual answers and the Club was not going to sway into the territory that you or any of us wanted.

Something I find frustrating is that the THST has such a poor view of the club that the relationship is rendered a bit useless. I can understand the feeling of desperation, but they are asking questions designed to trip up or entrap the club (imo). The club execs aren't dumb and certainly won't promise anything that isn't guaranteed.

In many ways, I feel the level of rhetoric in terms of "22 years" and dissecting comments from Conte are giving the club a free pass. It ends up sounding like the moans we read here every day, and no football club board is going to respond to that. I would like to see the Trust move away from the gossipy stuff and try to engage at a bit of a higher level. Their hearts are certainly in the right place... but maybe their hearts are talking a little louder than their heads (if that makes sense!).

How can we show our support for the team, manager and players while also letting levy/Enic and the board know how much contempt and utter disgust we have for the way they have lined their pockets to the detriment of the playing side of the club.
The only thing that will have any effect on the board is when it starts hitting them in the pocket but then again how do we do that without harming the playing side.

Ideally I think we need to have the Trust (or somebody else) scrutinising the shit out of every published set of accounts. The big claim from Levy is that all revenues from the club are poured back into the club... but is there anyone holding their feet to the fire on that?

Beyond that, we could suggest that executive level pay becomes more linked to on-field achievements. Call for a review of season ticket prices if money is not being spent on the playing squad. See if there are opportunities to offer an extra cup game on a ST, or maybe an extra free kids match when club revenues hit certain milestones.

I don't have a ST myself, or even attend many games, but I think if there is a healthy relationship in place there are a number of these "quality of life" ideas that could be discussed. It doesn't make the players any better - but then I don't think that singing songs at a guy and hoping he quits his job is going to have much impact either.

 

[the lad]

I really chuckle when people use that term. It comes across as a phrase made up by a child to define people on the "other side". I hate the way everything has to be binary. It's never that simple.

It’s a perfectly good abbreviation.

The more binary in life the better.

 

[the lad]

I'm a masochist and read it again

They could have saved a lot of time and just written

"Let them eat cake"

Tottenham cake

Even a masochist should not be reading that statement again.

 

[the lad]

The only way we are going to kick them in the balls is to go against the grain and stop going to matches, this is totally contrary to our love for the actual team on the pitch. A sustained effort to stop merchandise purchases and paying hospitality at the naming rights averse stadium would be a good start.

 

[taricco]

They use the rhetoric that a lot of people (including myself previously) have used to defend their stewardship of the club. 'We are a lot better off than when we started'. This is very true, but misses the key point. They have taken us to a good level, but have not shown in the last 3-4 years that they can handle this new level. Indeed, the opposite - the footballing strategy is almost non-existent. The sad thing is that they don't even seem to recognise it in that statement. It stinks of the fact that senior management is too comfortable and has gone stale.

 

[chas vs dave]

The only way we are going to kick them in the balls is to go against the grain and stop going to matches, this is totally contrary to our love for the actual team on the pitch. A sustained effort to stop merchandise purchases and paying hospitality at the naming rights averse stadium would be a good start.

Do you go to matches?

 

[the lad]

Do you go to matches?

Yes , when I can afford it ? Why ?