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The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

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A story of incompetence at its best, frightening to think how things could have gone if footballing folk had been listened to.
It's the waste of money that's so frustrating. Granted, not all your transfer targets are going to land but some of the pure shit we buy for the sake of it is the most frustrating thing.
 

bozzaSPUR

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You know nothing about the guy, or the managers you claim supposedly won’t work with him.

People really do spout some rubbish on here…. Just make stuff up, or believe what others have made up.

None of us know what the guy is like as a person, or to work with. None of us know what other top managers think of him…most of them probably know nothing about him, and would never have had any dealings with him….

it’s not even speculation, it’s just made up bullshit to suit an agenda….
At last someone on here says something sensible and more importantly true. Also do people honestly think that Levy purposefully does things that seriously detract from what he is trying to build.
 

Nebby

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This link below captures majority of the mess of a transfer policy under Levy.

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RECRUITMENT UNDER ENIC AND LEVY​

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This just reads like a hit piece on Levy, and I would question its accuracy. The stuff about Mitchell’s time at Spurs is certainly misleading. Mitchell didn’t claim that his “dream job turned into a nightmare”; that was a line written by one of the journos at The Guardian after he left, and not a direct quote.
 

Nebby

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At last someone on here says something sensible and more importantly true. Also do people honestly think that Levy purposefully does things that seriously detract from what he is trying to build.
Yeah, I think they do.
 

G Ron

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It's the waste of money that's so frustrating. Granted, not all your transfer targets are going to land but some of the pure shit we buy for the sake of it is the most frustrating thing.
100% All those £10M punts on untested (often unheard of players) add up. Every one a cheap punt to save money. That’s pretty damning and just emphasises the lack of ambition on the footballing side. For Levy and the board it’s purely about doing the bare minimum to qualify for the CL. We’ve had so many opportunities to push on when we were extremely well positioned to make a challenge, but no, we got Saha and Nelson etc and the rest is history.
 

Trix

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This is absolutely damning ,thanks for sharing
It is damning, but then at the same time it's also a hatchet job that has twisted an awful lot to pin things on Levy that were not in his control. I'm all for Levy out but I think we should at least stick to the facts, and I think this is a mix of both facts and speculative propaganda.
 

Albertbarich

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I'm not totally sold on Kompany myself. What he has done is admirable and he does seem like he has huge potential.

I think I was just hoping more for Gallardo as he is seriously top notch and would be like Poch first time and then Slot because he would have european expeirence to go with his impressive ability to get more out of a weak group of players.

But I suppose Kompany is an influential character, he is very driven, he is an excellent communicator, he knows what it takes in the PL and his team are very well coached/play top football.

Think having Munn will maybe lean more towards Kompany or Ange and that would be a good thing as they are from a similar model.
I read that Simon Davies who is here now also is from that City group system and was even brought into to manage Anderlecht when Kompany was still playing but it didn't work.

I also read that Kompany has Bellamy as an attacking coach and Matt Jackson (I think) as defensive coach , he then brings it together.

Its a huge risk but I really like the sound of what Kompany is made of. He feels like a really good fit.
 

Trix

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Just had a conversation where I was told Levy is stepping back from the football side of things after again being put under pressure to do so, and that is why Munn is being brought in. Heard it all before? Yeah, me too.
 
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Albertbarich

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Just had a conversation where I was told Levy is stepping back from the football side of things after again being put under pressure to do so, and that is what Munn is being brought in. Heard it all before? Yeah, me too.
My hope and what I'm clinging onto is that he surrounds himself with people who know what they're doing and ones that he will listen to.

He is never stepping away and he isn't selling up so I'm praying that we get people in who can manipulate him to get what they want.
 

nav007_2000

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Just had a conversation where I was told Levy is stepping back from the football side of things after again being put under pressure to do so, and that is what Munn is being brought in. Heard it all before? Yeah, me too.
Exactly. Definitely heard it all before. Will Levy still have final say on all singings and signing the cheque? I'm sure he will.
 

dontcallme

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IMO it was the signing of VdV that pushed Levy over the edge. Everyone was praising Levy for his masterstroke
Even match commentators mentioned him in awe of that signing. Went to his head.

It was Levy's last minute catnip moment..he wants that buzz again.
I think a bigger part of the problem is the market changed.

When Southampton were in trouble we got Bale for peanuts. When West Ham and Leeds got relegated, we picked off their players for little.

Then when Bournemouth got relegated, there was all sorts of talks about them being in financial trouble. City paid big for Ake, Newcastle took Callum Wilson's huge wages off their books and their financial issues and potential need to sell for peanuts was over.

You can occasionally get cheaper deals when players contracts are running out or they have a release clause but I just don't think the opportunity to get high quality players for cheap is there as much anymore.

I don't think Levy, or the club, ever really adapted to this.
 

Barmby Army

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My hope and what I'm clinging onto is that he surrounds himself with people who know what they're doing and ones that he will listen to.
The problem is, we've heard this exact story a million times before. It's been a theme of more or less every regeneration we've had under his tenure. He's got a good track record of getting people who know what they're doing, but the evidence shows he doesn't listen to them, making their skills more or less irrelevant.
 

Albertbarich

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The problem is, we've heard this exact story a million times before. It's been a theme of more or less every regeneration we've had under his tenure. He's got a good track record of getting people who know what they're doing, but the evidence shows he doesn't listen to them, making their skills more or less irrelevant.
See I think he has listened to people.

David Pleat has his ear or did for a longtime, Sherwood seemed to , he clearly trusts Paratici hence the ridiculous loyalty he is showing.

I think what we need is (a miracle) but for the right person to be here who Levy trusts and is excellent at managing up. I'm sure the chairman is getting awful advice from all angles so we need to pray that a Munn and or the new manager can have the most effective voice.

Happens in normal businesses so don't see why it can't happen here.
 

Barmby Army

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I think a bigger part of the problem is the market changed.

When Southampton were in trouble we got Bale for peanuts. When West Ham and Leeds got relegated, we picked off their players for little.

Then when Bournemouth got relegated, there was all sorts of talks about them being in financial trouble. City paid big for Ake, Newcastle took Callum Wilson's huge wages off their books and their financial issues and potential need to sell for peanuts was over.

You can occasionally get cheaper deals when players contracts are running out or they have a release clause but I just don't think the opportunity to get high quality players for cheap is there as much anymore.

I don't think Levy, or the club, ever really adapted to this.

Depends on the club.

A lot of clubs (Norwich being the obvious example) are now relatively happy to yoyo between the Premier League and the Championship without spending too much money. This means that there are fewer players you'd be inclined to buy off them, and also that they don't have that same need to sell.

On the other hand, you have the clubs who spend a fortune on trying to stay up, don't manage it and then find themselves in financial meltdown. That's where you can find the bargains - highly-rated players who the club urgently need to sell. In terms of this season's relegation candidates, Leicester and Everton would be the obvious clubs that would be vulnerable to vultures if they went down, because they would be against the wall financially.

Obviously the big question you have to ask is "if this player is so good, why did they go down?" but there are plenty who are above that criticism - Pickford at Everton, Maddison and Dewsbury-Hall at Leicester for example. Pickford and Maddison would be fantastic signings for us in positions we need urgent improvement. If West Ham go down, someone is going to get Rice for a fraction of what he's worth (honestly I think once he gets a big move he'll be established as one of the best midfielders in the world very quickly), just a shame that he would never come to us.
 

dontcallme

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Depends on the club.

A lot of clubs (Norwich being the obvious example) are now relatively happy to yoyo between the Premier League and the Championship without spending too much money. This means that there are fewer players you'd be inclined to buy off them, and also that they don't have that same need to sell.

On the other hand, you have the clubs who spend a fortune on trying to stay up, don't manage it and then find themselves in financial meltdown. That's where you can find the bargains - highly-rated players who the club urgently need to sell. In terms of this season's relegation candidates, Leicester and Everton would be the obvious clubs that would be vulnerable to vultures if they went down, because they would be against the wall financially.

Obviously the big question you have to ask is "if this player is so good, why did they go down?" but there are plenty who are above that criticism - Pickford at Everton, Maddison and Dewsbury-Hall at Leicester for example. Pickford and Maddison would be fantastic signings for us in positions we need urgent improvement.
Not sure how any of that is relevant to my post.
 
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