The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[soflapaul]

Levy certainly wants success for the club. there can be little doubt and the issue is his ability to choose a successful direction . The managerial go around proves that. Poch clearly had to go and while it wasn't solely him to blame, the stories about how he disconnected from the players made it clear.

Levy followed the old adage "If something isn't working, do something different" and he paid dearly to bring in Jose because he thought that Jose's credentials and his vision would finally bring home a trophy. he wasn't afraid to spend on a manager .which he probably thought would have a leveraged effect similar as it does in business. When that didn't work out, he paid dearly to get rid of Jose thinking that finding a replacement would be easy. It wasn't and Nuno was the result. When that didn't work out, he paid dearly to bring in AC. And when that didn't work out, paid dearly to get rid of him too.

DL's issue is not trying to win trophies, it's picking the wrong strategy to do so. You would think that the combination of that negotiating to the last penny combined with his aversion to any business failure is one of his downfalls. But it also sounds like he is one of those salespersons who is so caught up in his own viewpoint, he doesn't understand how others see his "product" whether it is the attractiveness of coaching THFC under his conditions or the process for the club to achieve success on the pitch. His ability to make money for the club and put us on sound financial standing really is legendary and will go down as one of the greatest club presidents in Premier League history in that respect. But that does not translate to on field success and in regards to that, he has underachieved given the financial resources that Levy the business person created for the club.

 

[jpascavitz]

Boy does he need a football man alongside him/above him

Hopefully Munn + DoF (Or FP) and pray the three have a good trusting relationship haha

 

[jpascavitz]

I think so.

Broadly speaking I think Levy's done an OK job when it comes to transfers. He's made some big mistakes but also backed some big winners and got the occasional coup over the line. It's often messy and disorganised, but I think our steady rise up the table speaks for itself and he's under-par compared to most chairmen across his tenure (even if his recent mismanagement has cost us post-Poch)

However, the man does have a real knack of trying to cut corners and penny-pinch on every single deal and sometimes this has been to the massive detriment of the team.

- Skimping in the market every time we're on the brink of actually achieving something (did it under both Harry and Poch in crucial windows when we were in the hunt for trophies)
- Always looking for the cheap alternative or compromise - we've missed out of countless potential key signings this way that could've really taken us up a step, instead recruiting late minute bargains or second-rate options
- Refusing to sell anyone below peak value since about 2015, meaning unwanted/fading players clog up the squad, stick around forever or are eventually let go for pennies/free

He can claim all this stuff is in the service of the club, but his unwillingness to compromise and spend just a little bit more on a number of occasions has cost us a lot more in the grand scheme of things. We might save money here and there with his method, but the amount we lose to opportunity cost is much bigger.

I always get stuck on the bolded point you mention and I truly would never want to be there myself. There's been times where we've sold our best players and times where we've held on to them too long. I always see it as a lose/lose situation:

- If Levy sells Kane for whatever fee to Manchester City a few Summers ago, are the fans happy? Probably not, but maybe Kane himself takes a lot of the stick.

- Levy knuckles down and keeps his best player, but now that player has one year left, and you have part of the fanbase saying get what you can for him

The same situation happened in the Poch years when some of the huge sides were sniffing around Dier, Dele and co. Hindsight

 

[Monkey boy]

That sometimes some financial flexibility needs to take place to run a successful football operation.

Move players on that we don't need at a slightly cheaper price than market value because the benefit of them being off the books from a sporting perspective is high, same thing with pennypinching and dragging out deals a la Grealish for £5mil, countless other examples.

Of course we need to be run sustainably but sometimes you need to take an offer to move a player on and you need to pay a little over the odds to get a good player in.

The issue is he has no real understanding of football so he sees the players as financial assets rather than part of a sporting squad where decisions impact the squad.

Take Arsenal for example, Arteta came in and tried to sort out the issues with Aubameyang but he was a major disruption to their squad so the Arsenal Sporting Director and Board found an agreement that Jan at all costs to terminate his contract and he signed for Barca, that move wrote off cost for them and transformed their squad morale. Levy would never think about things in this way he'd just think Aubameyang is a big name player so keep him at all costs. Take Eriksen for example, it was clear he didn't want to be at the club, he was moody and not really putting in 110%, at that point its best to find bidders and take the money and move on, instead Levy dug in and tried to keep Eriksen for as long as possible and said we'd match any wage offers etc but he didn't as usual read the room because Eriksen simply wanted out so instead of him stinking out the place for a year and a half and going for a very cut rate price with 6 months left on his deal we should've sold him for a big fee 6,12 or 18 months before that. How about when we sold Keane and Defoe and Berbatov and started the season with Darren Bent and Fraiser Campbell? What about when we needed to push the boat out a bit for Redknapp to go for the title and he was given Ryan Nelson and Saha? What about when Poch called for a painful rebuild and it wasn't provided? What about recently when Jose wanted Kim Min Jae and instead we get him Joe Rodon and Conte wanted Bastoni and we give him Lenglet on loan, how about when we wouldn't go the extra few million for Winjaldium or Mane and ended up with N'Jie, N'Koudou 2 for the price of 1 and Sissoko?

This is what Levy doesn't get and never will.

The way he's operated has sabotaged so many starts to our season it is untrue.

Not in any way sticking up for Levy as I’m firmly in the Levy out camp but you say that Levy would never have sanctioned terminating a players contract. He did just that with Aurier and to a lesser extent Doherty and I’m sure going back he also did with Adebayor.

 

[mmidgers]

Not even going to watch the interview, can't stand his squealy little lying face anymore, its all PR BS, don't trust a word that comes out of his A level achieving little mouth.

Bit ott

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

IMO, Levy has made 4 or 5 disastrous decisions during his tenure. I’m sure there maybe more, but here’s mine.

1. Not backing Redknapp in Jan transfer window and getting Nelson and Saha. Getting this right could have had us challenging

2. Not listening to Poch when he said there is a painful rebuild needed, and to then sack our most successful manager of recent times without backing him.

3. Appointing Mourinho as manger when we all knew he was a busted flush

4. Appointing Nuno when stating the next manager needs to match the entertaining and offensive football in the clubs DNA

5. Appointing Conte, who agin is polar opposite to progressive football fans have been demanding.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

- If Levy sells Kane for whatever fee to Manchester City a few Summers ago, are the fans happy? Probably not, but maybe Kane himself takes a lot of the stick.

Part of the problem with this approach - you should never manage a club based on the whims of fans, who are notoriously fickle.

There is no room for sentiment in a well-run club.

But, we are not a well-run club. We are a well-run investment. That is why Levy is paid, and how he is incentivized - financial performance.

Hopefully, Munn has clauses, and bonuses, in his contract that are directly related to the on-the-pitch success of the club. Until we align those incentives - we will constantly fall short - but be financially successful.

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

Levy certainly wants success for the club. there can be little doubt and the issue is his ability to choose a successful direction . The managerial go around proves that. Poch clearly had to go and while it wasn't solely him to blame, the stories about how he disconnected from the players made it clear.

Levy followed the old adage "If something isn't working, do something different" and he paid dearly to bring in Jose because he thought that Jose's credentials and his vision would finally bring home a trophy. he wasn't afraid to spend on a manager .which he probably thought would have a leveraged effect similar as it does in business. When that didn't work out, he paid dearly to get rid of Jose thinking that finding a replacement would be easy. It wasn't and Nuno was the result. When that didn't work out, he paid dearly to bring in AC. And when that didn't work out, paid dearly to get rid of him too.

DL's issue is not trying to win trophies, it's picking the wrong strategy to do so. You would think that the combination of that negotiating to the last penny combined with his aversion to any business failure is one of his downfalls. But it also sounds like he is one of those salespersons who is so caught up in his own viewpoint, he doesn't understand how others see his "product" whether it is the attractiveness of coaching THFC under his conditions or the process for the club to achieve success on the pitch. His ability to make money for the club and put us on sound financial standing really is legendary and will go down as one of the greatest club presidents in Premier League history in that respect. But that does not translate to on field success and in regards to that, he has underachieved given the financial resources that Levy the business person created for the club.

Part of the strategy has been to develop a world-class academy infrastructure to attract and retain top quality home-grown players. Yesterday the Under17s won a trophy! How about that? Spurs do win trophies! The Premier League Cup and other levels looking competitive too. These are good indicators of a strategy being successful on the field and there are players making it to the first team.

 

[Jaddas]

I don't know what it is about Levy, but he's someone that I've never ever warmed to. He also gives the impression that football success isn't important to him, and that irks me.

I don't think we'll ever consistently challenge for trophies till ENIC sell up. We could spend over £250m (plus outgoings) on players this summer to challenge and still be under FFP rules, but Levy would never do that.

I think Levy needs to feel more pressure from us fans. At the moment he's on Easy Street and gets away with multiple cock ups.

 

[muppetman]

Not entirely sure of the point of the video. It's pretty evident that nobody is changing their mind on Levy and ENIC at this point. Perhaps a bit of PR for the school.

 

[PaulM]

I don't know what it is about Levy, but he's someone that I've never ever warmed to. He also gives the impression that football success isn't important to him, and that irks me.

I don't think we'll ever consistently challenge for trophies till ENIC sell up. We could spend over £250m (plus outgoings) on players this summer to challenge and still be under FFP rules, but Levy would never do that.

I think Levy needs to feel more pressure from us fans. At the moment he's on Easy Street and gets away with multiple cock ups.

Where should that 250m of spend come from?

 

[Russ1201]

Guardian running with this now. I would argue that Kane is a legend already irrespective of his next move.

Harry Kane can win trophy at Spurs but being legend also important, says Levy

Tottenham’s chairman, Daniel Levy, has insisted Harry Kane can fulfil his ambition of winning a trophy at Tottenham

www.theguardian.com

Smells of Levy doing the start of begging for Kane to stay. He knows Kane won't stay due to this season and who blames him. I have a feeling next season will be s lit worse without Kane. I only blame one person LEVY.

 

[mil1lion]

I always get stuck on the bolded point you mention and I truly would never want to be there myself. There's been times where we've sold our best players and times where we've held on to them too long. I always see it as a lose/lose situation:

- If Levy sells Kane for whatever fee to Manchester City a few Summers ago, are the fans happy? Probably not, but maybe Kane himself takes a lot of the stick.

- Levy knuckles down and keeps his best player, but now that player has one year left, and you have part of the fanbase saying get what you can for him

The same situation happened in the Poch years when some of the huge sides were sniffing around Dier, Dele and co. Hindsight

Kane is vital to the club though and he's also England captain which is a big thing for the club. The only other in recent times who was a key player was Eriksen and we sold him with 6 months left. I do actually like that part about Levy that he fights to keep key players. The far bigger issue is the big contracts for players who simply are not that great. They are the ones we struggle to sell and need too.

 

[Mattspur]

Why is it that all these #ENICOUT fans think they know with absolute certainty how a multi-billion pound football club should be run. They can identify with absolute certainty the mistakes with transfer policy and are able rectify the problems with the clubs finances. Most probably can't even manage their own finances. They all know that Levy, with over 22 years experience of running football clubs, isn't a "football man" but because they played a bit at the park on a Sunday morning and watched a lot of matches on the telly, they are better positioned to tell the club where they're going wrong?

I get that we're all emotionally invested in our club, but the amount of people chatting utter nonsense on here, just because they're upset that we're not the best club in the league is embarrassing. It's fine to have opinions but the complete lack of self awareness displayed is really spectacular. I bet most of these people with all the answers have never been in charge of running anything let alone a business or football club. My advice to anyone who knows they could do a better job than Levy's done at Spurs is go out and prove it. You're wasting your talents posting in here.

 

[Mattspur]

The far bigger issue is the big contracts for players who simply are not that great. They are the ones we struggle to sell and need too.

But when we're signing these players isn't Levy just meant to agree to the terms and get the deal done? Fans can't have it both ways.

 

[Essex Spur]

Getting to a Champions League Final is a failure !!!!
Have to tell the Olympic Committee to scrap all silver and bronze medals for future games they are are all failures.

Losing a final is a failure - that's what we need to learn

 

[Bing]

Levy certainly wants success for the club. there can be little doubt and the issue is his ability to choose a successful direction . The managerial go around proves that. Poch clearly had to go and while it wasn't solely him to blame, the stories about how he disconnected from the players made it clear.

Levy followed the old adage "If something isn't working, do something different" and he paid dearly to bring in Jose because he thought that Jose's credentials and his vision would finally bring home a trophy. he wasn't afraid to spend on a manager .which he probably thought would have a leveraged effect similar as it does in business. When that didn't work out, he paid dearly to get rid of Jose thinking that finding a replacement would be easy. It wasn't and Nuno was the result. When that didn't work out, he paid dearly to bring in AC. And when that didn't work out, paid dearly to get rid of him too.

DL's issue is not trying to win trophies, it's picking the wrong strategy to do so. You would think that the combination of that negotiating to the last penny combined with his aversion to any business failure is one of his downfalls. But it also sounds like he is one of those salespersons who is so caught up in his own viewpoint, he doesn't understand how others see his "product" whether it is the attractiveness of coaching THFC under his conditions or the process for the club to achieve success on the pitch. His ability to make money for the club and put us on sound financial standing really is legendary and will go down as one of the greatest club presidents in Premier League history in that respect. But that does not translate to on field success and in regards to that, he has underachieved given the financial resources that Levy the business person created for the club.

I like this post a lot because it's a balanced view.

I think the crux of it comes down the bit in bold....but it does make me question what is the right strategy as on paper Mourinho and Conte were fantastic choices and appeared to be just what we needed. I for one was thrilled with both appointments at the time and really thought we had a clear path to success...I think most fans felt that way.

In reality there is no easy, nailed on route to success...we have tried different things and failed, we just have to keep trying to progress, find a manager that fits and invest in the squad. Even Chelsea have shown that the blank cheque approach is no guarantee any more.

 

[jackson]

That interview and audience q&a was fairly useless. He really is dedicated and disciplined about not being an engaging person. He was asked softball and irrelevant questions for the vast majority of it and said very little of interest himself.

Unless it was cut out, it was a missed opportunity not ask and follow up about:
- how poor we've been post Poch,
- whether he regrets sacking Poch,
- what he has learned about football strategy and how that links to his bouncing to and from DoF models
- why we have become such poor sellers of players
- why he joined the failed super league initiative and the disgraceful anti-competitive nature of it
- whether he supports the 2yr contract for coaches that he says is standard in europe outside England
- whether A&C is his bastard son

He does get credit for the impact a successful Spurs business can have and does have on regenerating the Tottenham area though - I've not seen this first hand, but it strikes me as real-world positive impact on a lot of people's lives

Yeah I agree the impact on the Tottenham area and people in the community is positive, however how important was this when he was actively trying to relocate to the Olympic stadium?

Not to take away the good work the club do on that side, it's important, but feels like a lot of what he says is revised after the event as a PR move, the real motivation/driver, in the background, always seems to be finances.

 

[Harrier]

I like this post a lot because it's a balanced view.

I think the crux of it comes down the bit in bold....but it does make me question what is the right strategy as on paper Mourinho and Conte were fantastic choices and appeared to be just what we needed. I for one was thrilled with both appointments at the time and really thought we had a clear path to success...I think most fans felt that way.

In reality there is no easy, nailed on route to success...we have tried different things and failed, we just have to keep trying to progress, find a manager that fits and invest in the squad. Even Chelsea have shown that the blank cheque approach is no guarantee any more.

I agree with you it’s the strategy that needs clearly identifying.

Whatever is said about Levy he has placed the club on a sound financial footing, and I do believe he wants success on the field.

It’s how this is achieved that needs looking at. Whether it’s the quality of the football people he surrounds himself with, the path from the academy teams through to the first team, the scouting structure and the choosing of the right manager.

We’ve shown in recent years we’ve been prepared to sanction large transfers, it’s the due diligence surrounding some of those transfers that seems very questionable.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Why is it that all these #ENICOUT fans think they know with absolute certainty how a multi-billion pound football club should be run. They can identify with absolute certainty the mistakes with transfer policy and are able rectify the problems with the clubs finances. Most probably can't even manage their own finances. They all know that Levy, with over 22 years experience of running football clubs, isn't a "football man" but because they played a bit at the park on a Sunday morning and watched a lot of matches on the telly, they are better positioned to tell the club where they're going wrong?

I get that we're all emotionally invested in our club, but the amount of people chatting utter nonsense on here, just because they're upset that we're not the best club in the league is embarrassing. It's fine to have opinions but the complete lack of self awareness displayed is really spectacular. I bet most of these people with all the answers have never been in charge of running anything let alone a business or football club. My advice to anyone who knows they could do a better job than Levy's done at Spurs is go out and prove it. You're wasting your talents posting in here.

Where to even start with this lol.