The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Japhet]

TBH my concern about is similar to how Arsenal fans felt at the end of Wenger's reign.

It's not that things are particularly bad, we're strong enough to consistently finish in the top 7, but I've lost hope of us achieving anything.

A football fan without hope, isn't much fun.

Not so sure. I go to watch my local non league team who are dreadful and it's a proper laugh.

 

[dontcallme]

Not so sure. I go to watch my local non league team who are dreadful and it's a proper laugh.

I wish I'd liked my local team, unfortunately the team and the fans are pricks so I couldn't get into it.

But when I go to lower league games, I definitely enjoy it more. Unfortunately, I've never stayed anywhere long enough to form a bond with any local side and often work Saturdays.

The money, business, etc is put to 1 side and you just enjoy the game.

 

[Grey Fox]

Not so sure. I go to watch my local non league team who are dreadful and it's a proper laugh.

Bit like spurs then

 

[Grey Fox]

The trouble is the club are so out of touch that if people fail to turn up to games they'll think it's just another train strike
If people stop buying food they'll think it's just Ramadan
Levy is probably out trying to sign this Levyout fella the fans are crying out for

Probably trying to get it patented

 

[Dov67]

I used to joke - what is the point of West Brom, Stoke and the like - their sole purpose was to avoid relegation so they’d have the opportunity to avoid relegation in the following season. They’d even play the kids in every cup game, so they could concentrate on the main objective of avoiding relegation

It hit me today, why I and many other are so disillusioned and apathetic. I dont even get angry or upset when we lose anymore

We are now Stoke and West Brom - substitute “avoid relegation” for “qualify for Europe, preferably top 4” and that’s what Levy has turned us into. What’s the point of us?

 

[Cochraam]

It's genuinely hard to think of a major decision that Levy and the board have got right since the stadium opened. I don't mean player acquisition/selling which is always a bit hit or miss, for all clubs, and has been for us; although I would argue that over the last 8-ish years, we've been particularly bad at squad building vs. our peers.

But in terms of major club-level decisions, we've gotten them all wrong. I guess you could argue that firing Mou, Nuno, Conte, and Stellini were all the right decisions, but I also think they each should have gone like 3 months sooner (including Nuno!), and it's cost us a ton of money along with Poch's compensation.

I don't mean this as an exhaustive list, but what the hell is the board actually doing to be so wrong so often:

• Firing Poch looks questionable or at least failing to support adequately
• Appointments of Mou, Nuno, and Conte all look like disasters
• Joining the Super League was a horrible decision, poorly thought out, and very anti-fan move
• Participating in the furlough scheme was a PR mess
• Firing Mou on the eve of a cup final and appointing a 29-year old looks terrible (and making that 29-year old take a press conference explaining the club's super league participation and Mourinho firing)
• Still no naming rights
• Appointing Paratici who was already under investigation and who favored defensive football at the same time as releasing the statement about understanding club DNA
• The farcical post-Mou managerial hunt
• Having no post-Conte or post-Paratici plans despite the writing being all the walls for months. And holding up post-Conte plans by sticking by Paratici well beyond the point it was tenable.

It's just very hard to have any faith whatsoever that this board can make a correct decision. I'm constantly battling between my innate optimism and thinking our reorganization (Munn et al), a new DoF, and a new coach might get us back on track, and then remembering that the people appointing Munn, DoF, and coach haven't made a good decision in 4+ years so what are the odds they'll get this right. This club...

 

[Dougal]

It's genuinely hard to think of a major decision that Levy and the board have got right since the stadium opened. I don't mean player acquisition/selling which is always a bit hit or miss, for all clubs, and has been for us; although I would argue that over the last 8-ish years, we've been particularly bad at squad building vs. our peers.

But in terms of major club-level decisions, we've gotten them all wrong. I guess you could argue that firing Mou, Nuno, Conte, and Stellini were all the right decisions, but I also think they each should have gone like 3 months sooner (including Nuno!), and it's cost us a ton of money along with Poch's compensation.

I don't mean this as an exhaustive list, but what the hell is the board actually doing to be so wrong so often:

• Firing Poch looks questionable or at least failing to support adequately
• Appointments of Mou, Nuno, and Conte all look like disasters
• Joining the Super League was a horrible decision, poorly thought out, and very anti-fan move
• Participating in the furlough scheme was a PR mess
• Firing Mou on the eve of a cup final and appointing a 29-year old looks terrible (and making that 29-year old take a press conference explaining the club's super league participation and Mourinho firing)
• Still no naming rights
• Appointing Paratici who was already under investigation and who favored defensive football at the same time as releasing the statement about understanding club DNA
• The farcical post-Mou managerial hunt
• Having no post-Conte or post-Paratici plans despite the writing being all the walls for months. And holding up post-Conte plans by sticking by Paratici well beyond the point it was tenable.

It's just very hard to have any faith whatsoever that this board can make a correct decision. I'm constantly battling between my innate optimism and thinking our reorganization (Munn et al), a new DoF, and a new coach might get us back on track, and then remembering that the people appointing Munn, DoF, and coach haven't made a good decision in 4+ years so what are the odds they'll get this right. This club...

We watch all these fuck ups in slow motion, unable to stop the club from lurching from one disaster to another. Some fans join in and tell us this is the direction we need to take the club. Then we have a chat about hindsight with them. What do Spurs fans want right now? Levy out. And we’ll carry on watching the club fall apart under his ‘control’.

 

[Aleks]

The fact that we don't have naming rights yet is mind blowing to me. For a chairman who sees himself as a businessman, it's extremely poor

 

[Snarfalicious]

The fact that we don't have naming rights yet is mind blowing to me. For a chairman who sees himself as a businessman, it's extremely poor

Think you could make a case the past 2ish, maybe 3 years, are just downright neglectful.

 

[KaribYid]

All the positives that people can point to about this ownership will become less relevant over time. Other clubs are building equally impressive infrastructure to rival ours and even the worst run club in the league is building a similar new stadium.

Arsenal were headed in the wrong direction and made sweeping changes, we've done nothing of the sort. We rely on opportunism every summer - we'll see it again this time. We will target players in their last year of the contract, players who have fallen out with the club or players who are at clubs who are in a financial perilous situation. All these tactics that worked ten years ago dont apply anymore. He's been overtaken by other executives who are quite simply better than him.

This is exactly it. Levy has done well for us but he's simply past his prime now.

It's actually fitting that we've spent the past four years hiring managers whose style is outdated as Levy's methods are outdated.

His work as a chairman has been more good than bad but the same way that we would not tolerate a player or manager who had two successful season if they then followed it up with five bad ones, it's the same way that despite Levy's good work in the past, it's negated by the years of mismanagement and incompetence that followed.

 

[joelstinton14]

I used to joke - what is the point of West Brom, Stoke and the like - their sole purpose was to avoid relegation so they’d have the opportunity to avoid relegation in the following season. They’d even play the kids in every cup game, so they could concentrate on the main objective of avoiding relegation

It hit me today, why I and many other are so disillusioned and apathetic. I dont even get angry or upset when we lose anymore

We are now Stoke and West Brom - substitute “avoid relegation” for “qualify for Europe, preferably top 4” and that’s what Levy has turned us into. What’s the point of us?

There’s a guardian article that’s taps into what you are saying about Everton.

Everton protests are not about money, they are about hope and connection | Everton | The Guardian

Fans have vented their frustration with banners and asked the players to show passion, but what will their efforts achieve?

amp.theguardian.com

Thing is, that apathy you talk about runs through most of league unless you’re a newly promoted side experiencing the promised lands for the first or second time, or a club that looks like it’s going somewhere like Brighton and Brentford (although there’s a ceiling they will reach and eventually they will be dragged into the apathy along with the rest of us)

Although money has always dictated who wins what, I don’t think success as felt so far away for so many teams.

I guess we’re now feeling what most of the league now feels? We been lucky in that whatever you think of Enic we’ve been on a journey of progression (Europe, trying to get into Cl, getting there, getting to the final/competing for league wins) which probably explains why we haven’t really felt it until the last couple of years. We have reached a point that we don’t know how to move beyond.

I tend to think there’s a growing apathy in the game , and that’s down to lack of hope, but also with the huge finances in the game that leads to a loss of connection with the club. It causes a massive disconnect between fan and club even if, sadly, fans help facilitate it by demanding clubs spend spend etc - it’s not their fault, it just the environment the PL and Skysports have created.

Sorry for the ramble haha , but yeah with City looking like they’re going to win a 5th title in 6 years I actually wish there would be more scrutiny on them and what oil/state money does, but because of the nature of the game and how to media are simply cogs in the product, we’re not going to see that.

 

[Spurs 1961]

There’s a guardian article that’s taps into what you are saying about Everton.

Everton protests are not about money, they are about hope and connection | Everton | The Guardian

Fans have vented their frustration with banners and asked the players to show passion, but what will their efforts achieve?

amp.theguardian.com

Thing is, that apathy you talk about runs through most of league unless you’re a newly promoted side experiencing the promised lands for the first or second time, or a club that looks like it’s going somewhere like Brighton and Brentford (although there’s a ceiling they will reach and eventually they will be dragged into the apathy along with the rest of us)

Although money has always dictated who wins what, I don’t think success as felt so far away for so many teams.

I guess we’re now feeling what most of the league now feels? We been lucky in that whatever you think of Enic we’ve been on a journey of progression (Europe, trying to get into Cl, getting there, getting to the final/competing for league wins) which probably explains why we haven’t really felt it until the last couple of years. We have reached a point that we don’t know how to move beyond.

I tend to think there’s a growing apathy in the game , and that’s down to lack of hope, but also with the huge finances in the game that leads to a loss of connection with the club. It causes a massive disconnect between fan and club even if, sadly, fans help facilitate it by demanding clubs spend spend etc - it’s not their fault, it just the environment the PL and Skysports have created.

Sorry for the ramble haha , but yeah with City looking like they’re going to win a 5th title in 6 years I actually wish there would be more scrutiny on them and what oil/state money does, but because of the nature of the game and how to media are simply cogs in the product, we’re not going to see that.

We now are anything but a football club. Clearly the football is way down the list of priorities. Property development, lucrative deals with NFL & F1 & Rugby & pop concerts etc., etc is what we are about now

 

[mil1lion]

The fact that we don't have naming rights yet is mind blowing to me. For a chairman who sees himself as a businessman, it's extremely poor

I'm not sure it's such a bad thing really. The stadium is hosting all these events and has our name attached. I'm pretty sure they're happy for it to remain under our name to boost the club profile and get the club name more exposure.

 

[have_it]

Can't we sack all the players and just sign the Brighton squad, manager and leadership team?

 

[alpha]

It's genuinely hard to think of a major decision that Levy and the board have got right since the stadium opened. I don't mean player acquisition/selling which is always a bit hit or miss, for all clubs, and has been for us; although I would argue that over the last 8-ish years, we've been particularly bad at squad building vs. our peers.

But in terms of major club-level decisions, we've gotten them all wrong. I guess you could argue that firing Mou, Nuno, Conte, and Stellini were all the right decisions, but I also think they each should have gone like 3 months sooner (including Nuno!), and it's cost us a ton of money along with Poch's compensation.

I don't mean this as an exhaustive list, but what the hell is the board actually doing to be so wrong so often:

• Firing Poch looks questionable or at least failing to support adequately
• Appointments of Mou, Nuno, and Conte all look like disasters
• Joining the Super League was a horrible decision, poorly thought out, and very anti-fan move
• Participating in the furlough scheme was a PR mess
• Firing Mou on the eve of a cup final and appointing a 29-year old looks terrible (and making that 29-year old take a press conference explaining the club's super league participation and Mourinho firing)
• Still no naming rights
• Appointing Paratici who was already under investigation and who favored defensive football at the same time as releasing the statement about understanding club DNA
• The farcical post-Mou managerial hunt
• Having no post-Conte or post-Paratici plans despite the writing being all the walls for months. And holding up post-Conte plans by sticking by Paratici well beyond the point it was tenable.

It's just very hard to have any faith whatsoever that this board can make a correct decision. I'm constantly battling between my innate optimism and thinking our reorganization (Munn et al), a new DoF, and a new coach might get us back on track, and then remembering that the people appointing Munn, DoF, and coach haven't made a good decision in 4+ years so what are the odds they'll get this right. This club...

Don’t think any Spurs fan can realistically argue against this!

 

[have_it]

Can't we sack all the players and just sign the Brighton squad, manager and leadership team?

Forgot scouting team aswell!!

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Can't we sack all the players and just sign the Brighton squad, manager and leadership team?

Honestly, we should do this. Every single one

 

[only1waddle]

We now are anything but a football club. Clearly the football is way down the list of priorities. Property development, lucrative deals with NFL & F1 & Rugby & pop concerts etc., etc is what we are about now

The real tragedy is all those things you mention should be excellent for us in terms of being self sustainable, getting us to a position where we can compete for regular top four, certainly top 6, the odd cup and maybe a title push when the other lot are in transition.
Our potential is huge thanks to Levy, but limited because of Levy, we need to stop wasting that potential and become a serious football club, not a micromanaged soap opera.

 

[sidford]

Matt Laws new article - going two footed again on Levy which is great as the more he highlights it the better chance we have of other media doing the same​

Antonio Conte was right – Spurs will never change until Daniel Levy ends its excuse culture

Spurs continue to drift amid a lack of leadership and their ongoing hunt for Antonio Conte's replacement

www.telegraph.co.uk

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Antonio Conte was right – Spurs will never change until Daniel Levy ends its excuse culture​

Spurs continue to drift amid a lack of leadership and their ongoing hunt for Antonio Conte's replacement

ByMatt Law, FOOTBALL NEWS CORRESPONDENT, AT VILLA PARK14 May 2023 • 3:59
Daniel Levy does not need a new manager, he needs another miracle worker if he wants the next man in the hot seat to lead Tottenham Hotspur back into the Champions League any time soon.
It is now eight games since Tottenham’s last miracle worker Antonio Conte left his post and in that time the club have collected just eight Premier League points and cannot finish in the top four.
Spurs, remember, were fourth when Conte issued some uncomfortable home truths to chairman Levy and the players after the draw at relegated Southampton, and it has become more and more clear that the club’s problems do not stop at the door of the head coach.
Conte faced criticism for his style of play and favoured back three at Tottenham and yet at half-time against Aston Villa, under the second caretaker manager since the Italian’s departure, Ryan Mason, and playing with a back four, Spurs had not managed a single shot on goal.
Tottenham also went behind early yet again at Villa Park, just as they did in the humiliating thrashing to Newcastle United, under Cristian Stellini, and the draw with Manchester United and defeat to Liverpool with Mason in charge.

Travelling supporters who chanted for Levy to go have not seen Spurs win away from home since January and have not witnessed a Premier League victory outside London since the end of October. Anybody who initially blamed Conte for that might have to think again.
Conte warned in what proved to be his exit speech that, with the spirit, attitude and commitment they were showing, Tottenham’s players would end the season fighting for seventh, eighth or even 10th place.
And here we are, two months later, with Spurs now level on points with Villa and in a three-way fight with the Midlands club and Brighton to decide who finishes sixth, seventh and eighth.
The way in which Jacob Ramsey opened the scoring for Villa in just the eighth minute and the ridiculous foul Cristian Romero gave away 20 yards out that allowed Douglas Luiz to double the home side’s lead would have sent Conte over the edge yet again

Levy has been relying too heavily on the kind of miracles Conte produced last season to drag Tottenham into the Champions League places for far too long and it is no wonder the 53-year-old decided he had had enough.
Harry Kane, who scored Tottenham’s consolation goal from the penalty spot, admitted there has been a culture problem at the club dating back to the sacking of Mauricio Pochettino, which tallied with much of what Conte complained about.
Tottenham on Friday distanced themselves from Julian Nagelsmann in their search to permanently replace Conte, but it is currently hard to see why the German would want to become the latest coach to put his reputation on the line for a squad that, bar Kane and Heung-Min Son, appear to be overrated.
Without Kane and Son, Spurs would be a mid-table team and until Levy addresses that, along with the excuse culture that exists within the club and around it, then every manager will encounter all the same problems, even if, like Conte, they are hired to produce miracles.

 

[Albertbarich]

How has Matt Law not been banned from the stadium. He hates Levy more than any John Wheldon