The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[spursfan77]

The reality is - Tottenham Hotspur is a loss making business and has been since the 2019/20 season (at least until this year's accounts come out). Covid and the timing of it as we moved into the new stadium are a major factor in that, and I actually think his financial prudence is part of the reason we didn't have to start asset stripping and selling off Kane or Son during the height of the pandemic as some other clubs had to - but right now we are in a mess in the footballing side and I can't even praise his business acumen. We are losing money. And if he is to consider the club as a business first and foremost, then he is failing in his primary task, let alone the one the fans want to see.

If Levy had sold the club or found a way to hand the reigns over to somebody else in 2017 when we left WHL then I'd have fully supported a statue of him outside the ground. People are consumed by blind hatred and want to rewrite history without context or focus on very specific transfer failures - but the job Levy did in the first 15 years to continually rebuild and improve the side on a limited budget and establish us as part of the "big six" was truly outstanding and there was quite simply not a better chairman that could have taken us on the journey he did that didn't own an oilfield. Sadly, he has completely tarnished his legacy since then - practically every major decision he has got badly wrong and the club has notably regressed across every metric you can think of in the last few years.

He's 61 now - not quite pension age but he's older than all but two PL managers (Hodgson and Allardyce who are both caretakers). Maybe he's not quite as sharp as he used to be? Players and managers both have sell-by dates, why not chairmen as well? It doesn't mean the work in the early years was no good, but something has clearly been going wrong in the last seven years.

Yep. They’re old, tired and out of ideas. They need to go. It’s no more complicated than that.

 

[alfie103]

I agree. But a lot of posts don’t accept that running the business well ones with any positives.

But I don't really care that he runs the business side really well. The only reason I would care is that the business side would help the footballing side but it doesn't seem like that is happening.

 

[dontcallme]

But I don't really care that he runs the business side really well. The only reason I would care is that the business side would help the footballing side but it doesn't seem like that is happening.

Without the increased spending we wouldn't have attracted the likes of Son. Even if we had, we wouldn't have a wage structure that could have kept the likes of him and Kane.

@talkshowhost86 do you see my point now?

 

[alfie103]

Without the increased spending we wouldn't have attracted the likes of Son. Even if we had, we wouldn't have a wage structure that could have kept the likes of him and Kane.

@talkshowhost86 do you see my point now?

The increased spending isn't because of how fantastically we are run as a business. We have a large fanbase and are based in London so we can afford to charge a lot of money for season tickets with lots of PL TV money coming into the club. Lots of clubs have been able to increase their spending with the PL TV money and it wasn't like we broke the bank to buy Son.

 

[mmidgers]

Without the increased spending we wouldn't have attracted the likes of Son. Even if we had, we wouldn't have a wage structure that could have kept the likes of him and Kane.

@talkshowhost86 do you see my point now?

But we do and it appears as though it's being mismanaged

 

[dontcallme]

The increased spending isn't because of how fantastically we are run as a business. We have a large fanbase and are based in London so we can afford to charge a lot of money for season tickets with lots of PL TV money coming into the club. Lots of clubs have been able to increase their spending with the PL TV money and it wasn't like we broke the bank to buy Son.

It goes with our increased turnover.

 

[dontcallme]

But we do and it appears as though it's being mismanaged

A point I’ve agreed with all along.

We’d be even worse off with a lower turnover though.

 

[mmidgers]

A point I’ve agreed with all along.

We’d be even worse off with a lower turnover though.

Of course we would. I don't think anyone could argue that. I just don't see the majority of people on here denying that levy has done a great job on the commercial side of things. He clearly has.

 

[dontcallme]

Of course we would. I don't think anyone could argue that. I just don't see the majority of people on here denying that levy has done a great job on the commercial side of things. He clearly has.

You only have to read posts stating things like "I don't care how well the business side is run" to see many posters don't see any football related benefits to improved finances.

 

[alfie103]

You only have to read posts stating things like "I don't care how well the business side is run" to see many posters don't see any football related benefits to improved finances.

I am not denying Levy has done well from a commercial point of view but I don't care about this because I care about the footballing side and, for me, it doesn't seem like all of these business deals are really contributing to the success of the football team.

 

[dontcallme]

I am not denying Levy has done well from a commercial point of view but I don't care about this because I care about the footballing side and, for me, it doesn't seem like all of these business deals are really contributing to the success of the football team.

Well, we've pretty much consistently finished top 6 every season for the last 17 seasons.

 

[BoringOldFan]

We have no manager, no DOF, no strategy but here's the good news we are trying to sign Solomon (played for Fulham this season) because he's free so you know why not huh?!
This is levy all over, we have a bloated squad already, over 200m worth of players out on loan so here's another one to add to this list for 3 of the 4 years of his contract if we do sign him
He just never learns

This is the problem, sidford. There is a strategy. And it’s working brilliantly. The difficulty is that the board know that communicating it to the fans would not so much pour petrol onto a fire as drop a hydrogen bomb into an erupting volcano.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Without the increased spending we wouldn't have attracted the likes of Son. Even if we had, we wouldn't have a wage structure that could have kept the likes of him and Kane.

@talkshowhost86 do you see my point now?

To be fair I think it's fair that people don't care if it's run well as a business

I don't think people can say it's being run badly

I don't think people can say it should he run worse as a business

But it's definitely fine not to care about that side of things

Most of us are football fans before anything else

 

[KaribYid]

You only have to read posts stating things like "I don't care how well the business side is run" to see many posters don't see any football related benefits to improved finances.

Because despite record turnover in the past 5 years, we've been absolutely horribly ran on the pitch.

Levy has good financial acumen and Spurs are a well run business. As an accountant, I appreciate that. But I also understand a lot of fans not putting much weight in that when the club is in constant crisis. No fan looked at our balance sheet before deciding to support the club.

Ultimately, those who dismiss his business skills are a small, small majority. The majority of fans are fed up with the lack of strategy, poor decision-making and the penny wise pound foolish way in which we operate.

It's not worth your while focusing on a criticism from what is such a tiny minority of the fan base.

 

[dontcallme]

Because despite record turnover in the past 5 years, we've been absolutely horribly ran on the pitch.

Levy has good financial acumen and Spurs are a well run business. As an accountant, I appreciate that. But I also understand a lot of fans not putting much weight in that when the club is in constant crisis. No fan looked at our balance sheet before deciding to support the club.

Ultimately, those who dismiss his business skills are a small, small majority. The majority of fans are fed up with the lack of strategy, poor decision-making and the penny wise pound foolish way in which we operate.

It's not worth your while focusing on a criticism from what is such a minority of the fan base.

That's fair.

I don't mind if people don't want to talk about that side of the club. If anything I'd prefer it if football chat and punditry focused more on the actual game more.

I just find it strange that some posters dismiss the business side as having no factor on the playing side.

 

[septicsac]

For the most part people agree that Levy has run the business side well, but he over paid for the stadium and we are now how many yrs without naming rights and the list income from same?
At the end of the day the football side is business too, haggling over Grealish, transfer windows without any signings and not backing managers has also cost us, both in football terms and in business terms too.
Yes he has done a lot of things right, but even on the business side he is far from perfect, while consistently rewarding himself financially on the way too.

 

[Dillspur]

Well, we've pretty much consistently finished top 6 every season for the last 17 seasons.

That's awesome, I'll remember that on my death bed

 

[cliff jones]

You simply can't ignore where we were as a club when Levy and ENIC took over against where we are now.

It's fine if you don't care about the business side...that's understandable.

But questioning whether Levy has done a good job on the business side is a pretty bad-faith argument.

I only care about the business side if it benefits the football team. It generates more revenue to spend on the wrong players at the wrong times- so fkin what.

So you think poor performance on the "football side" doesn't hold back the "business"? Ha.

You simply can't compare where we "are now" just with the Sugar years.

We could finish 9th tomorrow- that's where we are, with an empty trophy cabinet to boot.

Where are we as a Club? Ask Slot, De Zerbi, Naglesmann, or a few others if yo wait long enough

 

[dontcallme]

That's awesome, I'll remember that on my death bed

If you didn't enjoy the peak Poch years, good for you.

 

[g_harry]

If you didn't enjoy the peak Poch years, good for you.

It should have been Levy over Poch. Poch warned us all and we done nothing.