The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[SirNiNyHotspur]

You're so enlightened. What I'm actually saying give it time before saying he's learned his lesson or has changed. Fuck. Me.

And right there is why I don't get involved in this shit too much any more. Because whatever side of the argument, you'll find someone like this, who'll wilfully misrepresent because he's that fucking rabid. I think it's time to shut up and wait for his loftiness to fuck up again before some other numpty goes further and calls me a BeeSoDdLe

Not rabid at all, I put very little time in all things Tottenham anymore because of that lot, barely even on here anymore. Look I want to get as excited as the next person but I've seen it all before...

 

[SandroClegane]

My theory was he was bought to eventually replace Harry Kane but I do take your point.

My main problem with Levy is he operates the club like a business where the main objective is to make as much money as possible along with being a big brand so it can be sold for the highest price. The actual football is secondary.

If the club isn't for sale, how can he sell it for the highest price?

 

[alfie103]

And this is the narrative I don't buy into. I'll caveat this first in completely agreeing that since the CL final it has been a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

Firstly, if it was just about profit on the original investment over 20 years ago, he's had ample opportunity to do sell up and do that and join Joe on a yacht counting his billions, and yet hasn't. Nor seemingly has any desire to do so.

Secondly, if the football is completely secondary, why did he hire Jose and Conte? Why are we taking a massive punt on NDombele? Why are we paying £60m for a squad player? Why did we go against the habit of a lifetime and sign a 33 year old on huge wages?

He is a stickler for sustainability, with that I agree. I don't see that as a bad thing though. I also don't see it as putting the football secondary. I see it as living in the real world.

He hasn't sold it yet because he wants more money for it than other people are willing to pay for it and there is no rush for them to sell.

He hired Mourinho because I think Poch lost the players and Levy thought Mourinho would help us get over the line without spending a lot of money on players. Conte was a panic hiring after the fans booed Nuno. Perisic was signed on a free transfer so paying £9 million a year for a player sounds more response.

I understand we can't spend money like Man City or Newcastle can but I think you can tell the football is secondary by the amount of trophies we have.

 

[alfie103]

If the club isn't for sale, how can he sell it for the highest price?

They might not be actively selling it but (IMO) they would definitely sell if the right offer came in.

 

[SandroClegane]

They might not be actively selling it but (IMO) they would definitely sell if the right offer came in.

If that was the case you don't think the Qataris or another sovereign wealth fund wouldn't have bought us already? Look at the numbers these clubs are being sold for, If the Qataris could buy us instead of United (and all the infrastructure disasters that come with them) for 6 billion I think they would've seen it as a smarter investment.

 

[Bobby TwoShots]

If that was the case you don't think the Qataris or another sovereign wealth fund wouldn't have bought us already? Look at the numbers these clubs are being sold for, If the Qataris could buy us instead of United (and all the infrastructure disasters that come with them) for 6 billion I think they would've seen it as a smarter investment.

They're not buying what's widely seen as a Jewish club

 

[dontcallme]

So where do Spurs currently stand on Levy out?

I think with a new manager bringing optimism, with a few potentially good signings that have come early in the window, now is the time to create an optimistic feeling around the club.

Whatever our view on Levy, surely we want to enjoy the football and supporting our club. It sounds like Munn is already involved and the setup for transfers appears to be working well.

But any current good feelings, don't let him off the hook. Ange is currently very optimistic. He appears to favour developing players and giving them a chance where warranted. He needs to be supported by the club at every level.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

So where do Spurs currently stand on Levy out?

I think with a new manager bringing optimism, with a few potentially good signings that have come early in the window, now is the time to create an optimistic feeling around the club.

Whatever our view on Levy, surely we want to enjoy the football and supporting our club. It sounds like Munn is already involved and the setup for transfers appears to be working well.

But any current good feelings, don't let him off the hook. Ange is currently very optimistic. He appears to favour developing players and giving them a chance where warranted. He needs to be supported by the club at every level.

Agree there are many positive steps in the right direction the last few months with Ange appt on 4 year deal, the type of signings we are making and the fact they’re early in the window, the football and recruiting restructure etc etc.

I say levy out should now be put on hold and full focus on supporting Ange and the new team and taking the club in a positive direction but keep an eye out if baldy starts to get up to his old tricks.

 

[$hoguN]

TBF Paratici was addressing this, which is why the 16's and down are looking much better. I mean we can complain about the managers refusing to integrate them but at the same time the standard coming through as a group was low because of retention and recruitment which was not down to them.

This is why I just feel like Paratici will stay involved as a consultant and return after his ban

 

[Trix]

So where do Spurs currently stand on Levy out?

I think with a new manager bringing optimism, with a few potentially good signings that have come early in the window, now is the time to create an optimistic feeling around the club.

Whatever our view on Levy, surely we want to enjoy the football and supporting our club. It sounds like Munn is already involved and the setup for transfers appears to be working well.

But any current good feelings, don't let him off the hook. Ange is currently very optimistic. He appears to favour developing players and giving them a chance where warranted. He needs to be supported by the club at every level.

As I've said already, a few good weeks don't erase 4-5 really piss poor years. It'll take a hell of a lot more than a good start in a transfer window to turn me around. GO!

 

[alfie103]

If that was the case you don't think the Qataris or another sovereign wealth fund wouldn't have bought us already? Look at the numbers these clubs are being sold for, If the Qataris could buy us instead of United (and all the infrastructure disasters that come with them) for 6 billion I think they would've seen it as a smarter investment.

Buy us instead of United is a smarter investment? I am sorry but I can't agree with you on that.

 

[jazz15c]

Buy us instead of United is a smarter investment? I am sorry but I can't agree with you on that.

Probably not for here, but United with that level of wealth is worrying AF.

Chelsea/City/Newcastle had money pumped into them from a position of largely fuck all; United finished 3rd last year, and have already had c. £1 billion spent on their playing squad (with varying degrees of success). Could be scary IMO

 

[Metalhead]

They're not buying what's widely seen as a Jewish club

Absolutely not true.

 

[vegassd]

So where do Spurs currently stand on Levy out?

I think with a new manager bringing optimism, with a few potentially good signings that have come early in the window, now is the time to create an optimistic feeling around the club.

Whatever our view on Levy, surely we want to enjoy the football and supporting our club. It sounds like Munn is already involved and the setup for transfers appears to be working well.

But any current good feelings, don't let him off the hook. Ange is currently very optimistic. He appears to favour developing players and giving them a chance where warranted. He needs to be supported by the club at every level.

Enjoying the football is all I'm really hoping for this season. The last few seasons have seen my appetite for Spurs decrease massively, and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of fans. I was as guilty as anybody of thinking Mourinho/Conte would be the pragmatic approach to winning trophies, but all they have really done is confirm my personal view that enjoying the experience is far more important than silverware. I get that not everyone shares that view.

I've typically been onside with Levy over the years because I do think the infrastructure is a key step, but of late I would say I'm fairly apathetic. If he stays, there needs to be structural/organisational changes that get us back to the "DNA". If he leaves, I would be cautious about the upheaval but mainly just "so long, and thanks for all the fish".

Folks who are extremely against Levy will be heavily against anybody, I suspect. We could be taken over by somebody's version of an ideal owner, and within 12 months they will be picking holes and claiming to know what those owners are thinking. It's just the way of the world, and what makes the Levy debate online a particularly pointless "conversation". And that situation works both ways of course.

I guess the dream scenario is still one where Levy does the off-field and "football people" do the on-field stuff. I think he has been guilty of over-simplifying that in recent years (e.g. hire Mourinho/Conte = trophies) without perhaps appreciating that it needs to be more of a philosophy thing running through the whole club. It's a big ask to have Levy steer clear of those quick fixes, and whilst I won't be singing "Levy Out" myself, I can't honestly say that I think he will be able to achieve it.

 

[KingNick]

Absolutely not true.

Agreed.

I think the main reason is quite simply the level of Global support enjoyed by Man United - which for obvious reasons is what really interests the Qataris rather than the pure investment potential

their support is just so much greater than ours and it would take us 20 years of consistent winning to even come close.

Therefore, the premium the Glazers are seeking compared to what DL wants makes it a no brainier to go for them.

 

[septicsac]

One step forward after so many steps backwards is to be welcomed, but there is a hell of a long way to go to put matters right and this transfer window may have started well, but we have been here before, let's wait until it's over to judge if we are heading in the right direction.
Meanwhile our ghastly neighbours continue to spend money like it's going out of fashion, this has to be putting pressure on Levy and the board,esp as Chelsea are also likely to keep spending too, not to mention the bindippers and utd as well. It may be top 5 next year, but it is going to be very competitive yet again.

 

[robertgoulet]

Buy us instead of United is a smarter investment? I am sorry but I can't agree with you on that.

I think it's an easy argument to make that we have a higher ROI than United would. United would be a safer play, but we have more room for growth.

 

[cliff jones]

no need to stir up further debate yet, when the defensive acquisitions and future of Kane are still in doubt.

I do like Ange though and was pleasantly surprised by Maddison.

I'm even going to fkin Perth so I must be encouraged to some degree. Even though my son forced me to bother.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I just love that this thread was renamed to Daniel (COYS) makes me laugh everytime I open it now simple things ey.

 

[KingNick]

I think it's an easy argument to make that we have a higher ROI than United would. United would be a safer play, but we have more room for growth.

You seem to not appreciate how much Levy would demand