The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Absolute nonsense, I’m afraid. Arteta has been backed so much by the owners when finishing 8th twice then 5th then 2nd. Sustained investment over multiple years, targeting key positions.

If we compare it to Poch, the last manager we’ve had stay a similar length of time to Arteta, it reflects even worse on Levy.

Comparing to Poch’s time with us would be a false equivalence though. Unless Arsenal have been in the midst of building a billion stadium in the last few years?

 

[McFlash]

Genuinely curious, if Levy brings in a starting CB before the start of the season, sells/replaces Kane up front, and Ange wins the FA Cup year one, would anyone cut Levy slack?

Or would it just be "a blind squirrel finds a nut", "Just a tinpot domestic cup, win the league" type posts. Wish I could add a poll.

For me, the last straw was the Conte hiring, that was his last chance of getting any favour back.
That ended up as a monumental cock-up and while Conte must shoulder a portion of the blame, we all knew what he was like and how he'd behave if he felt like he wasn't being backed.

He's run out of rope for me, we could win the league this season and I'd still want him away.
Too many missed opportunities and broken promises.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Remind me when that last was....

Pipping arsenal to top 4 was pretty exciting at the time. Or did you hate that?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

No chance.

Anything good that happens to the club = Levy got lucky / anybody but Levy deserves credit.

Anything that bad happens to the club = this is all due to Levy’s complete incompetence on every single level.

Yeah that's just straight up and down rubbish really isn't it.

Pretty much universally Levy is given credit for the stadium, he's given credit for stabilsing the club when they first took over and he's given credit for taking the club to the point where we were fairly regular CL qualifiers. He's widely credited with a number of things, or at least was until he fucked it all up. So right now, there's not a lot of patience for him and credit is in short supply because there's not much to credit him with is there. There's too much notice being taken of the militant element who criticise him for anything and everything right up to the soaring price of your weekly shop and you're lumping that in with the more balanced posters

So if you genuinely think what you wrote is true then own your part in it because what you've said there is exactly the same sort of thing.

Not everyone, it won't take much for the sleepers to awaken

You watch............

Bingo.

 

[jurgen]

Comparing to Poch’s time with us would be a false equivalence though. Unless Arsenal have been in the midst of building a billion stadium in the last few years?

You can ignore that bit then and the rest of the original post is still nonsense.

 

[alfie103]

I’m confused, because that Twitter post may not be the best written argument ever but it doesn’t just refer to a rained off (it says poorly planned) pre-season, but also other concerns that I’m sure most fans can identify with, chiefly no DoF, failure to shift players, cynical ticket price raises and so on. So just representing the post as a moan about the weather is a very one-eyed reading of things.

Yes the spelling of Eriksen is wrong, but it also taps into one of the BSoDL’s traditional tactics - that may be their last refuge now - which is to focus on framing ENIC-outers as shouty simpletons who don’t know how good they’ve got it.

There were many years on here that BSoDLs would invoke ‘logic’ and ‘sense’ in their arguments about the success just over the horizon, which is a subtle way of demeaning the intellectual capabilities of those arguing on the other side, but interestingly most of those posters have shifted over to frustration themselves. However, clearly some still remain.

You have absolutely smashed it with this highlighted part. Articulated what I have been thinking far better than I could.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Yeah that's just straight up and down rubbish really isn't it.

Pretty much universally Levy is given credit for the stadium, he's given credit for stabilsing the club when they first took over and he's given credit for taking the club to the point where we were fairly regular CL qualifiers. He's widely credited with a number of things, or at least was until he fucked it all up. So right now, there's not a lot of patience for him and credit is in short supply because there's not much to credit him with is there. There's too much notice being taken of the militant element who criticise him for anything and everything right up to the soaring price of your weekly shop and you're lumping that in with the more balanced view.

So if you genuinely think what you wrote is true then own your part in it because what you've said there is exactly the same sort of thing.


Bingo.

You know as well as me if we have any sort of success next season there will be a large part of our fan base that will attribute that to ‘Levy got lucky because Ange wasn’t first choice’ or something else ridiculous. No way Levy is getting any credit at all.

Certain fans don’t see how illogical it is being hellbent on attributing every bad decision and failure to Levy as the head of the organisation, and pointing to any success as ‘luck’. It just discredits any sensible point these fans make.

But yeah I admit I definitely get triggered by the ‘militant element’ but that is only because I can’t believe how idiotic some fans can be.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I wonder if Levy truly believes he's doing enough for us to have a good shot at 4th this season?

I think he truly believes since there is (allegedly) “no expectations” for Ange this season, he doesn’t have to shell out a ton of money. Not in it for the right reasons.

 

[mdharris]

For all the bedwetters who want to protest at the stadium - the best way to protest Levy, while still supporting Ange and the lads - don't spend any money when you are in the stadium.

Don't get a pint.
Don't get a pie.
Don't go to the club store.
Don't spend a single pound.

If enough people protested with their wallets - it would hurt Levy more than a few random chants, or boos.

I think it’s a bit of both. Agred definitely don’t spend anything more than you have to see the game, but I do think the chanting helps. Levy likes to go to the stadium, if we make it an entirely uncomfortable experience for him via booing/ chants, it may also help.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I think it’s a bit of both. Agred definitely don’t spend anything more than you have to see the game, but I do think the chanting helps. Levy likes to go to the stadium, if we make it an entirely uncomfortable experience for him via booing/ chants, it may also help.

But, does that also make it an uncomfortable environment for the manager and the players?

You want to send a message to Levy - hit him in his wallet. That is where most owners/chairmen will sit up and take notice.

I guarantee that there is a financial metric for how much money per person is spent in the stadium - and if there were a concerted effort to not spend by the fans - it would show up very clearly. And Levy would take notice.

 

[sparx100]

I want us to compete, I actually think Ange could be the man for the job but Levy is a ****.

 

[THOWIG]

I’m really losing my patience. I can’t believe that we are setting up another manager like this. It’s beyond arrogance. I’m actually beginning to question his mental health.
I’ve supported him in the past for the stadium and training facilities, but our transfer dealings are a joke.
Just feel really sad about it in truth. All very draining.

 

[SandroClegane]

C'mon mate, @SandroClegane is proper ENIC Out. He defended raising of the match day ticket prices as he "always thought ticket prices in the UK were ridiculously cheap compared to the US"

Just to be clear, I don't think anyone *has to be* Levy Out and there are certainly a few posters on here who make pro-Levy points that more than have merit.

But there are some posters who literally defend everything the bloke does and they are just as bad as the likes of the purple and yellow muppets on Twitter or those who go way overboard in their criticism. They have the same lack of balance in their thinking and arguing but act morally superior as their view is "positive".

Everyone is free to have their opinion but it's disingenuous and full of shit to claim you're something that you're very clearly not.

With all due respect, I work in sports ticketing so we could have a long drawn out debate about ticket pricing. At the end of the day, not raising single game ticket pricing over a three year period is pretty unheard of. Raising single tickets so that the Season ticket is more of a benefit is the way it should work, as it provides value. I know it's not exactly what people want to hear but don't take that as me not being Levy Out.

Levy needs to step back from the player trading side of the business, and needs to do it immediately. We need a director of football with complete control of a budget and how they want to spend it. And anyone that is above Scott Munn shouldn't have a say in any football related decisions. Do that, and we start looking like a football club again.

Hope that's more balanced for you and explains where I'm coming from.

 

[THOWIG]

Sorry just realised my post was a bit over the top. Just feel so frustrated we’re in this situation every year.

 

[arunspurs]

I have lost my patience this weekend. 2 weeks to start of PL, we haven’t addressed anything while our rivals are no longer our rivals given they been strengthening everywhere

I am numb , insulted, hurting, angry , upset because the club is more concerned about selling merchandise of Wizzkid this weekend than the away kit. Events have taken precedence over preseason preparations or football in general

Why do I even bother supporting this club ? I have not been this down as a supporter…ever . It’s lack of caring that is infuriating to me. Club isn’t showing any ounce of evidence they are learning from past mistakes.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I have lost my patience this weekend. 2 weeks to start of PL, we haven’t addressed anything while our rivals are no longer our rivals given they been strengthening everywhere

I am numb , insulted, hurting, angry , upset because the club is more concerned about selling merchandise of Wizzkid this weekend than the away kit. Events have taken precedence over preseason preparations or football in general

Why do I even bother supporting this club ? I have not been this down as a supporter…ever . It’s lack of caring that is infuriating to me. Club isn’t showing any ounce of evidence they are learning from past mistakes.

It’s not mistakes. They don’t care about winning stuff, they do enough to remain ‘’competitive’’ and that’s it while doing everything possible to milk the fans to the point of having the highest prices going.

it’s cold, calculated behaviour and it’s upsetting as the fans love the club but the club view the fans as thickos to be used.

 

[Mr Pink]

You know as well as me if we have any sort of success next season there will be a large part of our fan base that will attribute that to ‘Levy got lucky because Ange wasn’t first choice’ or something else ridiculous. No way Levy is getting any credit at all.

Certain fans don’t see how illogical it is being hellbent on attributing every bad decision and failure to Levy as the head of the organisation, and pointing to any success as ‘luck’. It just discredits any sensible point these fans make.

But yeah I admit I definitely get triggered by the ‘militant element’ but that is only because I can’t believe how idiotic some fans can be.

You're always posting from the defending Levy point of view...always.

I think most fans can give him credit for the great improvement of Club infrastructure.

But, his refusal to relinquish the footballing side of things has pushed a lot of fans to the limit.

His MO won't change, and that's because the premise of ENIC's business model won't change.

And that's maximising the bottom line before taking decisions which are best for the team, a lot of the time.

Of course that's why he won't relinquish control...it just can't be acknowledged as such.

You simplfy it by saying Levy can do no right but that's just bollox.

Its the way he's running the footballing side of things that has most backs up.

 

[Albertbarich]

You know this comes down to one thing - success.

If the team are successful all of this goes away, when they're not ans we have this sort of situation then everything is scrutinized and agonized over.

If we have a good season next season we will all be delighted, if we won't a cup I'd be crying my eyes out with happiness. But that hasn't happened and you can only judge what has and what is happening.

It's not good enough, nowhere near. Chaos and broken promises everywhere you look and there isn't even a hint it's going to change.

After all this build we should be challenging for titles but even the most ardent Levy fans know we're not doing that, we still can't or won't compete so yeah an FA cup would be nice but as his used club money to buy a property empire around N17 he now needs to give the club it's money back in terms of building a winning football team.

 

[BujuBanton]

We’re about to sell our best player in 40 years.

i have no confidence we’ll even try to replace him. I have little confidence we’ll even get the defenders we need.

Its never enough with levy. an enemy of our football club in plain sight. Cant wait for the day he leaves

 

[Johnny J]

It is just incomprehensible to me that the people running our club watched us ship a relegation amount of goals last season and, less than two weeks before the season starts, we've got the same fucking central defence.

Does Levy not fucking understand that every game counts, including the games before the window closes? That it takes time for a new player to settle in? To learn the new tactics of a new manager? Does he not understand this is an emergency now?

For the last few years, every bloody season we go into it with a massive, obvious gap in our squad that compromises our ability to have a successful season.

The league this season will be super competitive and Postecoglou needs to hit the ground running. We can't just wait until next summer to fix the defence, because there will be other things that need fixing then, including things we can't foresee now.

We're one of the most profitable sports teams in the world, and one of the richest football teams, and we have one, ONE centre back who's good enough. And it's been that way for three years now.

How have Dier, Tanganga, Davies and Sanchez not been moved on over the years? What value do they even have now in the market? Why does Levy think these players will somehow come good after years of evidence to the contrary? This is not normal.

If we play a high line in defence like at Celtic with Dier/Davies in it - and I would bet a significant amount of money one of them will be starting our first league game - we're in serious trouble.