The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Jamturk]

A sensible and rational version of Todd Boehly

Firstly that doesn't exist and secondly that comes under Sugar Daddy for me.

I actually think them lot down the road have a pretty good ownership.

 

[Jamturk]

There was a conversation in another thread a few weeks back which pretty much explains how people can continue defending Levy and the way we operate.

They treat every situation as a brand new event and completely ignore history and patterns.

Yes, there's still a day left. Yes, it makes sense saying to wait for the window to close. Yes, they can conjure up some reason why every deal that falls through can't get done.

But look at it with the context of of modus operandi for the past 20 years and people can reasonably predict how this ends. We've seen the story so many times before. This window isn't any different - we're likely to leave ourselves short, we're playing a game of brinkmanship that we'll likely lose.

Some can remain optimistic if they wish but given history, others are right to be skeptical.

But we'll be here again next window. The same posters will get agitated at the way we operate and voice their frustrations, the same posters will talk down to them and tell them stop bed wetting and wait until the window is closed and we'll rinse and repeat, treating each window as if we don't know how it'll end.

I've said before this club will ever be united under this chairman. He clearly won't change the way he operates. Some fans will never trust him. Some fans will defend him to the end. And it'll be a constant battle of the BSODL vs the Bed Wetters -on here and in other parts of the internet.

It's a shame and it's tiresome.

If Enic could they would get rid of us "Legacy Fans" in an instant.

 

[WiganSpur]

The good news is I think if Ange leaves because of a lack of backing in the coming months/years then Levy will have absolutely nowhere to turn in his next appointment.

When Jose came in it was to win.

When Nuno came in it was a backup sure but seemed like a less toxic figure than Jose

When Conte came in it was a winner who this time was still current and relevant, and a massive upgrade on Nuno

When Ange came in it was a less toxic figure and attacking football


If Ange goes, Levy would have tried every single possible manager and I think some of the fans will start to see that finally this time. Levy might not even realise it, but if Ange fails it will finally be the tipping point for the fans in terms of action. I fail to see what other managerial appointment won't have been tried.

Either Ange will leave us in the next 18 months to 2 years, or we'll be stuck in some awful stasis of finishing between 6th and 8th for the duration of his contract and challenge for fuck all.

 

[thelak]

I increasingly think with the money in the PL Levy is happy for us to be a top 10 club and not qualify for Europe buying money ball players and trading them

Until the stadium is half full he will keep this strategy up

 

[thelak]

Every year people say that he can't continue to get away with it, and every year he continues to get away with it.

How is this man still getting away with it!?

Because mugs still go to the stadium and spend their earnings on crap pizzas for £12, tops for £90 and sing about getting their club back after two decent performances

 

[WiganSpur]

There was a conversation in another thread a few weeks back which pretty much explains how people can continue defending Levy and the way we operate.

They treat every situation as a brand new event and completely ignore history and patterns.

Yes, there's still a day left. Yes, it makes sense saying to wait for the window to close. Yes, they can conjure up some reason why every deal that falls through can't get done.

But look at it with the context of of modus operandi for the past 20 years and people can reasonably predict how this ends. We've seen the story so many times before. This window isn't any different - we're likely to leave ourselves short, we're playing a game of brinkmanship that we'll likely lose.

Some can remain optimistic if they wish but given history, others are right to be skeptical.

But we'll be here again next window. The same posters will get agitated at the way we operate and voice their frustrations, the same posters will talk down to them and tell them stop bed wetting and wait until the window is closed and we'll rinse and repeat, treating each window as if we don't know how it'll end.

I've said before this club will ever be united under this chairman. He clearly won't change the way he operates. Some fans will never trust him. Some fans will defend him to the end. And it'll be a constant battle of the BSODL vs the Bed Wetters -on here and in other parts of the internet.

It's a shame and it's tiresome.

Wonder how long it will be until some tell us not to panic there's always January or next summer. By which time we'll need to replace Sonny, one of our signings that hasn't worked out, someone who got injured, or sign players in positions we neglected this window. It's the same old shite.

If this window turns out to be a success, it will be through pure luck that agents offer us a couple of good players in positions of need.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

The thing I also wonder is I reckon if we had lost our first 3 league games (or say just picked up 1 or 2 points) would he be acting differently? My guess is he probably would be acting with a bit more urgency and ambition. There must be a bit of him that’s like, well everything is going fine so far so no problems job done kind of thing.

Just I guess obviously but would be annoying if this is even just a little bit true.

We as fans simple don’t do enough, whether results are going good or bad.

He probably couldn’t believe his ears when he heard ‘we’ve got our Tottenham back’

On the pitch yes, but off the pitch, the same old problems will never go away.

 

[Albertbarich]

Apart from the Sugar Daddy clubs could anyone point me to the ideal owners currently in the Premier league they would like to replace ENIC with?

Brentford, Brighton, Arsenal, Villa all have owners who are more committed to footballing success and better organised around it.

City and Newcastle may have sugar daddies but look at the structures they have put in place, you don't see their actual owners always mentioned in negotiations. Liverpools owners are quite similar but I'd argue they strengthened when needed, something we have failed to do and again I don't see John Henry consistently named as negotiating deals and making an arse of it

Chelsea are a joke but I get their fans can at least enjoy their commitment to buying success. All this talk about doing it the right way but it's clear those who haven't and won don't give a shit about it. But no I still can't work out what they're up to so they're not favourable as it can easily go horribly wrong looking at it.

I don't even know who is in charge at West ham anymore to offer an opinion. Fulham have the khan's who seem very nice but a billionaires son shouldn't be getting involved in player trading.

Bournemouth and Luton are punching so far above their weight you can't really compare. Burnley the same.

The obvious bad ones that spring to mind are Everton and Man Utd. The former are a mess and I'd need an Everton fan to explain why but it looks like both Moshiri and Kenwright are the world's worst decision makers.

Man United are terrible but the difference is they're taking the dividends now where as ENIC will cash out so big at the end their profit will be insane (I actually commend them for that), despite their fans moaning though they spend a fortune on the team. Their far more short sighted than ENIC it seems although Id guess they think building the infrastructure wouldn't mean a bigger sale for them in the end?

Struggling to think of anyone else.

I understand it was a simple question but I thought I'd think through who I think is better.

I don't understand considering th absolute mess of the past few years why we haven't got tj infrastructure of a Brighton, Brentford or yeah Newcastle and city who have really taken the time to build that side of their business. I don't understand after all this drama why Daniel levy is still pissing about 24 hours before deadline day with so much to do. I don't understand why we're still secretly employing , sorry being offered advice by someone who is banned from football when it's patently obvious we need more people behind the scenes making these deals happening and getting them done far more efficiently?

Even if you take away all the arguments about net spend, ambition, choice of targets etc does anyone look at our footballing operations and think, wow they have got their shit together? To me it looks the total opposite.

Over 20 years to learn this stuff and we're still doing things this way. He is turning into a modern day Doug Ellis or Jesus Gil. Old men who have made themselves the centre of everything at their club and outs

 

[rossdapep]

FSG run same model as ENIC but can still push further in transfers.

Yeah and they have done much better.

Look at the Szbozslai transfer, for example. They knew he would be expensive but they wanted the talent. So they came to a conclusion very quickly. Nunez too.

Now look at our track-record with Levy. With the odd exception, most of our transfers are weighted in our favour.

Maddison = one-year left, club relegated. Straightforward deal.
Vicario = not a high fee.
Hojbjerg = contract running down, cheap.
Kulusevksi and Bentancur = unwanted at the previous club and Paratici had inside info to help.

Not saying these are bad deals, cause they clearly are not. But we apply this to most of our targets which is simply unrealistic.

We get these ones done but further recruitment that helps us to break that ceiling, we are just not prepared to do.

The exceptions tend to be players that were far riskier (Richarlison, Ndombele) for some reason?

Yet the players where you think do actually require a larger fee we always seem to baulk at it or take ages to get anywhere close to an acceptable fee and miss out.

It's especially infuriating when you sell your all-time best striker for over 100m.

Liverpool would spend that Salah money very quickly and wisely.

 

[tony0379]

I'm sure once Daniel is back from Miami. He'll be firing on all cylinders

 

[Kirito]

with ENIC (Levy) in charge we will forever be a financially sound (especially for our owners) club, but will never progress or challenge for anything

We literally got to a CL final, not something I was expecting after growing up watching us finish bottom half in the league every year. This Levy hate fetish/hard on that most of you have is weird. I know this is the thread where I’m supposed to be furious at the bald boss but the boring football over the past few years was due to Conte and Mourinho, that wasn’t Levys fault, I’m sure he expected them to do better.

Probably why these protests don’t gain much traction, because the majority don’t care, most of the noise is online in rage posts.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

He no longer can be allowed to. If he didn't just lie to the supporters about what the stadium would do for us, it wouldn't be so bad. However, he just keeps stringing us along for the ride.

The sad thing is all those years he strung us along with the ‘game changing’ promise of success had we not been building the stadium instead investing in the team, not the constant net zero we probably would have won many trophies. Those false promises have kept us from success and so far are giving us even less…

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

I'm sure once Daniel is back from Miami. He'll be firing on all cylinders

Absolutely!

His plane lands at 11.01 tomorrow night...

 

[Japhet]

The good news is I think if Ange leaves because of a lack of backing in the coming months/years then Levy will have absolutely nowhere to turn in his next appointment.

When Jose came in it was to win.

When Nuno came in it was a backup sure but seemed like a less toxic figure than Jose

When Conte came in it was a winner who this time was still current and relevant, and a massive upgrade on Nuno

When Ange came in it was a less toxic figure and attacking football


If Ange goes, Levy would have tried every single possible manager and I think some of the fans will start to see that finally this time. Levy might not even realise it, but if Ange fails it will finally be the tipping point for the fans in terms of action. I fail to see what other managerial appointment won't have been tried.

Either Ange will leave us in the next 18 months to 2 years, or we'll be stuck in some awful stasis of finishing between 6th and 8th for the duration of his contract and challenge for fuck all.

 

[Japhet]

The good news is I think if Ange leaves because of a lack of backing in the coming months/years then Levy will have absolutely nowhere to turn in his next appointment.

When Jose came in it was to win.

When Nuno came in it was a backup sure but seemed like a less toxic figure than Jose

When Conte came in it was a winner who this time was still current and relevant, and a massive upgrade on Nuno

When Ange came in it was a less toxic figure and attacking football


If Ange goes, Levy would have tried every single possible manager and I think some of the fans will start to see that finally this time. Levy might not even realise it, but if Ange fails it will finally be the tipping point for the fans in terms of action. I fail to see what other managerial appointment won't have been tried.

Either Ange will leave us in the next 18 months to 2 years, or we'll be stuck in some awful stasis of finishing between 6th and 8th for the duration of his contract and challenge for fuck all.

Jose came in, some fans were ecstatic but it was a huge mistake.

Nuno came in and was another mistake.

Conte came him, some fans were ecstatic but it was another huge mistake.

Ange has come in and won everybody over. I think Levy has at last found someone worthy of being backed. The ball's in his court, but it will take more than 1 window.

 

[luptic]

Enic are just using the fans £ to help them finance a Billion pound asset.
They are no worse than the Glazers.

 

[elfy]

There was a conversation in another thread a few weeks back which pretty much explains how people can continue defending Levy and the way we operate.

They treat every situation as a brand new event and completely ignore history and patterns.

Yes, there's still a day left. Yes, it makes sense saying to wait for the window to close. Yes, they can conjure up some reason why every deal that falls through can't get done.

But look at it with the context of of modus operandi for the past 20 years and people can reasonably predict how this ends. We've seen the story so many times before. This window isn't any different - we're likely to leave ourselves short, we're playing a game of brinkmanship that we'll likely lose.

Some can remain optimistic if they wish but given history, others are right to be skeptical.

But we'll be here again next window. The same posters will get agitated at the way we operate and voice their frustrations, the same posters will talk down to them and tell them stop bed wetting and wait until the window is closed and we'll rinse and repeat, treating each window as if we don't know how it'll end.

I've said before this club will ever be united under this chairman. He clearly won't change the way he operates. Some fans will never trust him. Some fans will defend him to the end. And it'll be a constant battle of the BSODL vs the Bed Wetters -on here and in other parts of the internet.

It's a shame and it's tiresome.

A lot lf it comes from the fact many of us remember the Scholar and Sugar years where we went into every season fearing this will be the one we were relegated or went bust.

What Levy had done from there, building one of the best stadiums in the world, have one of the top training facilities in the country, invested heavily in the youth academy, making us genuine top 4 contenders, taking us to the Champions League final: is nothing short of a miracle.

That's where I personally have an issue with the 'bed wetters' who are incapable of giving the man credit for the good he's done.

Off the field, he has achieved wonders, genuine wonders.

On the field, and all the criticism is fair. The penny pinching, the cheap 'deals', the refusal to pay the going rate for top talent and the insatiable need to squeeze every penny of value out of a transfer (both in and out). It's bloody frustrating. It's short sighted and it's holding us back.

Half the abuse he gets is totally unwarranted, the other half is completely justified.

It is completely possible to hold simultaneously the view that he deserves a lot of credit for the good he has done for the club, whilst deserving a lot of criticism for the harm he has done. They are not mutually exclusive opinions.

 

[RuskyM]

A sensible and rational version of Todd Boehly

So, no then.

FSG run same model as ENIC but can still push further in transfers.

Liverpool fans have been saying exactly the same things about FSG for years.

 

[Trent Crimm]

I sometimes wonder if DL ever searches his name on Twitter or ends up in the pit that is SC

Fans may see him as an individual that is immune to criticism however I would love to be a fly on the wall when/if he searches what people are saying about him. Regardless of how much money he makes, he must have a good idea of what the general consensus must be and that's got to hurt him on some level.

Irrespective of what we as fans say about him, he's bound to know what the majority think of him based purely on football decisions. I would hate to be in his position these last few years (excluding his personal bank balance).

If he blows the remaining few days of the window I can see THST planning even more protests. I just hope that fans come together and make it extremely uncomfortable for him if he messes this up.

Letting go of Kane, screwing up the Fati deal and seemingly putting all of his eggs in the Johnson basket smells of even more hate directed towards him.

Time for Daniel to turn this around. Lets see what happens.

He gets Donna to search the internet for him and she tells him it’s a universal love sandwich all round.

 

[E17yid]

We as fans simple don’t do enough, whether results are going good or bad.

He probably couldn’t believe his ears when he heard ‘we’ve got our Tottenham back’

On the pitch yes, but off the pitch, the same old problems will never go away.

I dunno, I suppose if you had the majority of fans protesting or whatever it would but then I don’t think the majority of us are. I’m a bit annoyed with how it’s going but I’m also not super pessimistic either, certainly not enough to go and protest or whatever. Then there’s a good chunk of fans who are reasonably happy to happy and a load of indifferent fans as well and then your levy haters which are probably a relatively small minority but seems like a majority online.