The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[chas vs dave]

I find this type of childish crowing just bizarre! It reads as, “Haha, Levy Critics. Fuck you all. He didn’t reinvest all the Kane money and we still won!!”
Do you honestly believe that yesterdays win vindicates Levy’s failure to provide Ange with the 2nd CB he’s been asking for since Harry left? Unequivocally, Romero and Mickey won’t play every game, and the drop off in quality - and suitability to the high line we play - is alarming. Levy’s consistent failure to give successive managers what they want and need will undoubtedly cost us vital points again this season. Will you be back here crowning then?
I just find it odd - and a little suspicious - that any true supporter of Tottenham Hotspur FC doesn’t look at how Ange has fundamentally changed the playing culture at our Club and brought back the joy of watching our football team again, and instead of screaming from the rooftops, “Back the man, Levy!!!”, are pushing all the excuses and championing all the reasons why he hasn’t.

It was a joke, got you to stop spamming the responses and actually post something .

We will lose games and drop points, that's football. I won't be in here blaming levy for not buying x or y player.

Again, I will reiterate. Our squad is as strong as it has been in over 5 years. Not signing 1 or 2 players doesn't change that.

 

[JacoZA]

Just for fun I was in the Dier thread.

A poster there just called out the Eric Dier Fan Club.

That’s one that clearly doesn’t exist.

It’s extraordinary to me how many people try baiting people that don’t exist.

I find the fan club thing interesting. It’s a way of invalidating the opinions of others that is certainly not unique to football. For example, if you get excited about some of the engineering work done by SpaceX, you’re quickly labeled an Elon Fan (with a list of unsaid implications).

But it’s also a signaling technique, I think. By implying that a viewpoint you disagree with only holds up due to the rabid support of some fanatical group, you’re also declaring that you’re own opinion is, in contrast, something based on reason alone. And as we see here, that fan club does not even have to exist.

We’re such odd animals, aren’t we?

 

[Whazam]

So last summer when the manager didn’t want him and he would have cost considerably more than we got him for?

Who are we blaming here? Conte for not wanting him or Levy for not spending huge on a player the manager didn’t want?

I assume it's blaming Conte in defense of Levy?

It was Paul O'Keefe who tweeted a while back that Levy was ready to bid, but Conte wasn't interested. Personally, I don't really care, I'm just glad we have him now, under this manager. I just tried to help the poster you answered get his point across.

 

[[email protected]]

It was a joke, got you to stop spamming the responses and actually post something .

We will lose games and drop points, that's football. I won't be in here blaming levy for not buying x or y player.

Again, I will reiterate. Our squad is as strong as it has been in over 5 years. Not signing 1 or 2 players doesn't change that.

I’m sorry mate I disagree. The squad is fundamentally flawed in the one position succesive managers have asked for upgrades. And it’s not like Levy can’t afford those upgrades; he just sold our world class striker for £100+ million. The prospect of Ange having to field Davies and Dier as CB because Levy failed to give him the 2nd CB he specifically requested is as unedifying as it was completely avoidable. Selling Kane and then failing to give Ange that 2nd very specific profile of CB doesn’t in anyway “make our squad as strong as it’s it’s been in the last 5 years”. Ange, like so many managers before him, has been left short. The bloke is a breath of fresh air and has already proved he deserves to be backed.

 

[dontcallme]

I’m sorry mate I disagree. The squad is fundamentally flawed in the one position succesive managers have asked for upgrades. And it’s not like Levy can’t afford those upgrades; he just sold our world class striker for £100+ million. The prospect of Ange having to field Davies and Dier as CB because Levy failed to give him the 2nd CB he specifically requested is as unedifying as it was completely avoidable. Selling Kane and then failing to give Ange that 2nd very specific profile of CB doesn’t in anyway “make our squad as strong as it’s it’s been in the last 5 years”. Ange, like so many managers before him, has been left short. The bloke is a breath of fresh air and has already proved he deserves to be backed.

I agree with your points.

I actually think a backup centre back is one of the easier positions to buy. We got VDV pretty easily and there was as another we could have bought who many considered 1st choice and VDV the backup.

With no European football this is a great chance for us to compete in the league this season despite a weak squad.

But in the early days of ENIC we were proactive in the market. As long as we consistently look for players and don’t sit around waiting, we can improve.

 

[vegassd]

Terrible. Simply terrible window.

It's just incredible funny that because we won this thread is quiet again.

Honestly, whilst I share your frustration with a lot of the Levy spam that happens on this forum, these kind of posts are completely unnecessary. There are no points to be scored and no arguments to be settled, so why poke the bear? It just prompts up a raft more pointless circular posts (as we've seen) that piss everybody off.

SC is great for so many reasons. I find myself weirdly addicted to it, and I'm sure many other regular posters feel a similar way. I hate it when the good things about SC start getting vomited on with negative Levy stuff. And I don't mean any criticism of Levy at all... I'm talking about the repetitive, nonsense, spam stuff. The red wine & black sambuca kind of vomit. I'm pretty sure we all know the difference.

So when we have a little period of the team performing well and those moaning voices subside, I think it would be great if the "non-negative" posters just let sleeping dogs lie, and allowed a bit of space for all of us to enjoy a vomit-free version of SC. Call it "taking the high road" if you want, and then when we win the league that will be the time to come parading in with the smug one-liners.

We all know that it won't be long before the next bad result, or cringy club statement, or CB injury, or whatever, and the regular doomsayers will be in this thread berating Levy again. It's as predictable as Danny Murphy's wardrobe. No need to rattle the cage before then in my opinion.

I'm not the forum police or anything, so obviously do what you want. But I think I'm more on your side of the fence than many, so hopefully you will both see this as a friendly message, not a condescending one. It would be nice if the BSODL handle came to mean Bored Stiff Of Doom Lovers [insert better acronym here]. I think a lot of people could get on board with that.

 

[dontcallme]

Honestly, whilst I share your frustration with a lot of the Levy spam that happens on this forum, these kind of posts are completely unnecessary. There are no points to be scored and no arguments to be settled, so why poke the bear? It just prompts up a raft more pointless circular posts (as we've seen) that piss everybody off.

SC is great for so many reasons. I find myself weirdly addicted to it, and I'm sure many other regular posters feel a similar way. I hate it when the good things about SC start getting vomited on with negative Levy stuff. And I don't mean any criticism of Levy at all... I'm talking about the repetitive, nonsense, spam stuff. The red wine & black sambuca kind of vomit. I'm pretty sure we all know the difference.

So when we have a little period of the team performing well and those moaning voices subside, I think it would be great if the "non-negative" posters just let sleeping dogs lie, and allowed a bit of space for all of us to enjoy a vomit-free version of SC. Call it "taking the high road" if you want, and then when we win the league that will be the time to come parading in with the smug one-liners.

We all know that it won't be long before the next bad result, or cringy club statement, or CB injury, or whatever, and the regular doomsayers will be in this thread berating Levy again. It's as predictable as Danny Murphy's wardrobe. No need to rattle the cage before then in my opinion.

I'm not the forum police or anything, so obviously do what you want. But I think I'm more on your side of the fence than many, so hopefully you will both see this as a friendly message, not a condescending one. It would be nice if the BSODL handle came to mean Bored Stiff Of Doom Lovers [insert better acronym here]. I think a lot of people could get on board with that.

There’s always been a strange issue with timing on this forum.

If you post negatively about a player after a poor performance it’s knee-jerk or reactionary. If you post about them after a match when they did nothing wrong it’s scapegoating.

If we post about ENIC negatively after a win, it’s not enjoying the moment but if we say nothing then we only moan when we’re losing.

Basically you can twist anything into anything. We need to ignore the baiting posts.

 

[SUIYHA]

If Levy deserves blame for the utter car crash that was the last four years (he absolutely does), then by definition he deserves some credit for the rebuild we're seeing now.

This isn't something that's happened overnight btw -this process kicked off in 2021 with the somewhat controversial hiring and subsequent backing of Paratici when there were many reasons not to. Even this summer, the "easy" option would have been to re-hire Pochettino, a free agent, who a huge chunk of our fan base were actively clamouring for and would probably have been better for the season ticket renewals. Instead we took a big risk in hiring the "unproven" Celtic manager that had many people completely losing their shit. There were lots of rumours on the internet about a shitshow of a managerial search - after the 2021 summer I could believe it - but the fact is, we got our man as soon as the Scottish season ended, had a full summer to prepare, and it seems to be massively paying off.

Question now is - does the leopard change its spots? Does he learn from past mistakes? The vibe and quality in our squad with only league games to focus on could easily carry us through to January in a similar league position to what we're in now. If we get there, will we push the boat out with a few more quality additions to give us the depth we need to maintain a proper challenge and have a go for the FA Cup as well? Or will we be content with "just" qualifying for Europe again when the inevitable dip in form from some of these players comes? There was context behind not making certain signings that certain managers wanted (eg - Redknapp's court case, stadium financing, covid etc), but if we just repeat the same cycle over and over again with fresh managers that start well but ultimately fall short because the squad is missing one or two key players that take us over the line - we're just wasting everybody's time.

 

[SUIYHA]

By the way I'll add to this though - don't think for a second that playing football like the way we're seeing now isn't going to lead to a rise in ticket prices next season. As inevitable as the sun rising tomorrow morning.

 

[chas vs dave]

I’m sorry mate I disagree. The squad is fundamentally flawed in the one position succesive managers have asked for upgrades. And it’s not like Levy can’t afford those upgrades; he just sold our world class striker for £100+ million. The prospect of Ange having to field Davies and Dier as CB because Levy failed to give him the 2nd CB he specifically requested is as unedifying as it was completely avoidable. Selling Kane and then failing to give Ange that 2nd very specific profile of CB doesn’t in anyway “make our squad as strong as it’s it’s been in the last 5 years”. Ange, like so many managers before him, has been left short. The bloke is a breath of fresh air and has already proved he deserves to be backed.

The only issue is in CB. Everywhere else we have options.

No one knows how Phillips has performed with the first team. He was named on the bench yesterday. Perhaps he will surprise us

We can just agree to disagree. We all want the same thing at the end of the day.

Apologies, I won't bait people again.

 

[Styopa]

If Levy deserves blame for the utter car crash that was the last four years (he absolutely does), then by definition he deserves some credit for the rebuild we're seeing now.

This isn't something that's happened overnight btw -this process kicked off in 2021 with the somewhat controversial hiring and subsequent backing of Paratici when there were many reasons not to. Even this summer, the "easy" option would have been to re-hire Pochettino, a free agent, who a huge chunk of our fan base were actively clamouring for and would probably have been better for the season ticket renewals. Instead we took a big risk in hiring the "unproven" Celtic manager that had many people completely losing their shit. There were lots of rumours on the internet about a shitshow of a managerial search - after the 2021 summer I could believe it - but the fact is, we got our man as soon as the Scottish season ended, had a full summer to prepare, and it seems to be massively paying off.

Question now is - does the leopard change its spots? Does he learn from past mistakes? The vibe and quality in our squad with only league games to focus on could easily carry us through to January in a similar league position to what we're in now. If we get there, will we push the boat out with a few more quality additions to give us the depth we need to maintain a proper challenge and have a go for the FA Cup as well? Or will we be content with "just" qualifying for Europe again when the inevitable dip in form from some of these players comes? There was context behind not making certain signings that certain managers wanted (eg - Redknapp's court case, stadium financing, covid etc), but if we just repeat the same cycle over and over again with fresh managers that start well but ultimately fall short because the squad is missing one or two key players that take us over the line - we're just wasting everybody's time.

Agree with all this. I’m enjoying the new project and it does feel this has some longevity. Like the start of a new four or five year project.

I can easily see Levy not backing Ange sufficiently when the time comes to push on though and Ange paying the price for that. We’ve seen it with a succession of managers: not just Poch and Redknapp but Jol too. A manager improves us significantly, expectations rise, Levy expects the manager to work miracles with what he has, the whole project fizzles out and Levy replaces them with a glamorous or buzzy name coach.

Still, I’m just enjoying seeing where Ange can take us for now and not thinking much about the inevitable fall out. We’ve done a lot of work on the squad during the last couple of years so we don’t need that much imo. Not expecting anything big in the January window but we might get away with that this season and still have a decent crack at the cup given we only have the league and FA cup to focus on.

 

[HodisGawd]

I’m not sure that’s true.

We were interested when he went to Norwich with reports of him choosing 1st team football over being a squad player with us.

When he went to Leicester he’d have been understudy to Eriksen for a season. It was reported he chose 1st team football again.

We are now reaping the benefits of him choosing his moves for footballing reasons.

I'm agreeing with you. My point is now was the right time to sign him. Did you read the post I was replying to?

 

[King of the Lane]

I think we all need to take a step back and remember that we are all on the same side - we all support spurs. We dont need to goad or be rude to each other. This is the best football and feeling we have had around the club in years and that is saying something considering we just sold our best player - whether you like or dislike Levy, I think we can all agree on that.

 

[Gb160]

I’m sorry mate I disagree. The squad is fundamentally flawed in the one position succesive managers have asked for upgrades. And it’s not like Levy can’t afford those upgrades; he just sold our world class striker for £100+ million. The prospect of Ange having to field Davies and Dier as CB because Levy failed to give him the 2nd CB he specifically requested is as unedifying as it was completely avoidable. Selling Kane and then failing to give Ange that 2nd very specific profile of CB doesn’t in anyway “make our squad as strong as it’s it’s been in the last 5 years”. Ange, like so many managers before him, has been left short. The bloke is a breath of fresh air and has already proved he deserves to be backed.

Good to see you post, John
Even if buying one was too complicated, you’d think we could’ve got a loan in to see us through to the next window/summer.
To do neither is just negligent.

 

[Sophos151]

This may be a very controversial opinion, but I think Levy’s entire ownership has been good, except for the ‘Kane wobble.’ Levy has consistently shown a preference for attacking football, for a Director of Football model, for signing exciting young players. We only broke from this before with Redknapp, really - because it was desperate circumstances, and he was working.

After Pochettino was sacked, there was a need to immediately chase trophies for Kane, rather than to step back and rebuild. Now Kane is gone, we don’t need to demand big names, and Levy has returned to his preference - attacking manager, Director of Football (albeit as a “consultant”), exciting young players.

 

[SUIYHA]

This may be a very controversial opinion, but I think Levy’s entire ownership has been good, except for the ‘Kane wobble.’ Levy has consistently shown a preference for attacking football, for a Director of Football model, for signing exciting young players. We only broke from this before with Redknapp, really - because it was desperate circumstances, and he was working.

After Pochettino was sacked, there was a need to immediately chase trophies for Kane, rather than to step back and rebuild. Now Kane is gone, we don’t need to demand big names, and Levy has returned to his preference - attacking manager, Director of Football (albeit as a “consultant”), exciting young players.

I know what you're saying - but a couple of things in that time have really not followed any sort of suit. Mostly Nuno - that appointment was neither an attacking football philosophy appointment to appease the fans, nor a short term "trophies now" CV winner to appease Kane. Just a waste of everybody's time. Same with getting Stellini in as caretaker manager, fair enough if Conte's position had become untenable but appointing his number 2 with the same dire style of football but none of the passion and personality was only ever going to end in tears.

 

[g_harry]

So last summer when the manager didn’t want him and he would have cost considerably more than we got him for?

Who are we blaming here? Conte for not wanting him or Levy for not spending huge on a player the manager didn’t want?

It's funny that, just out of curiosity did Levy listen to Conte on other signings. Or just use the manager when it suits the clubs narrative.

 

[jimbo]

Agree with all this. I’m enjoying the new project and it does feel this has some longevity. Like the start of a new four or five year project.

I can easily see Levy not backing Ange sufficiently when the time comes to push on though and Ange paying the price for that. We’ve seen it with a succession of managers: not just Poch and Redknapp but Jol too. A manager improves us significantly, expectations rise, Levy expects the manager to work miracles with what he has, the whole project fizzles out and Levy replaces them with a glamorous or buzzy name coach.

Still, I’m just enjoying seeing where Ange can take us for now and not thinking much about the inevitable fall out. We’ve done a lot of work on the squad during the last couple of years so we don’t need that much imo. Not expecting anything big in the January window but we might get away with that this season and still have a decent crack at the cup given we only have the league and FA cup to focus on.

The one thing that might be different this time is us, the fans - not necessarily all of us, but enough to make a noise. It was fairly easy for us to turn against Mourinho, Nuno, Conte because the style of football is not what we want. Alienating those managers was easier. Going back, the Jol sacking was early on and though it drew some ire it passed quickly. With Pochettino it’s trickier, did he get burned out by a lack of support or go a bit strange? Was the briefing against him with or without merit? I’m not sure we’ll ever know - but we do know the form book now. So, I think we should be willing to give Ange our complete backing and be conscious of the early signs of past tricks - if we see them then we need to let the board know that we are with Ange.

Personally, I’d like us to keep a good bit of pressure on still - but I think that’s unlikely amid the feel good factor. That’s totally understandable but I don’t want it to bite us on the bum again.

 

[Sophos151]

I know what you're saying - but a couple of things in that time have really not followed any sort of suit. Mostly Nuno - that appointment was neither an attacking football philosophy appointment to appease the fans, nor a short term "trophies now" CV winner to appease Kane. Just a waste of everybody's time. Same with getting Stellini in as caretaker manager, fair enough if Conte's position had become untenable but appointing his number 2 with the same dire style of football but none of the passion and personality was only ever going to end in tears.

Nuno was, I think, a ‘panic buy’ after we’d tried and failed for Conte.

The Stellini choice was bizarre, personally I think it should’ve been Mason from day one, and I have no idea why it wasn’t.

 

[yido_number1]

It was a joke, got you to stop spamming the responses and actually post something .

We will lose games and drop points, that's football. I won't be in here blaming levy for not buying x or y player.

Again, I will reiterate. Our squad is as strong as it has been in over 5 years. Not signing 1 or 2 players doesn't change that.

I think Fulham was a good barometer for the squad. We definitely have a good first team right now. I don't think any one would argue we're not a quality CB short at the moment and probably a bissouma back up if we're critical.

It wasn't an amazing window but it also wasn't the steaming turd Levy dropped on Poch signing no one and selling Moussa.