The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[spursfan77]

Levy came across very well, as did Son and Ange.

Ange's crack about being a big name was a good joke after Levy said he'd avoided big names.

The club seems a happy ship right now with everything stable.

Anyway, about that ousting... when is it and are you going for the two or three-pronged pitchfork?

Yeah I don’t think saying that about the previous managers or talking about their success before joining us and us wanting to go another way with Ange is the right thing to say at all. Ange will want to win now. Everything he has said so far doesn’t paint a picture of a man willing to hang about waiting to win while others get in line to make it happen. He wants success asap.

 

[easley91]

Really? No need to bring appearance into it and he is far from useless. Under his stewardship we have actually risen up the league and challenged for trophies, if not winning them. We have built state of the art facilities majority are jealous of.

Whatever you think of the past few years and some of his mistakes (which he accepted at the forum by the way) he is far from useless. Anybody will have made mistakes in a 20 year period. Just look at other clubs to see he isn't really that bad in comparison. Could he have done better with some things? Yep absolutely. But useless? Nah.

And before you or anyone else labels me a Levy defender or lover I want him gone. I can just accept the good he has done and acknowledge it without turning into a child having a temper tantrum.

I see you laugh reacting. Well are you one who was all for mental health when Dele came out with his interview? Or Richarlison? There's criticising performances and then there's outright abuse. I am sick to the teeth of seeing needless abusive comments thrown around (and that is for every player, manager, ex player manager, staff, chairmen, other fans). Stop being dicks and actually have a dsicussion like adults.*
























*Unless your school is closed because of concrete.

 

[robin09]

I think Levy came across very well for the most part, as did the rest.

The one thing I'd have asked Levy, is that if we can afford to forego tens of millions of pounds by not getting a naming rights deal, then why do we need to make sure we squeeze every potential penny out of the ticket pricing structure?

Surely it would make more sense to take £20-£50m whatever from a big corp for naming rights, and subsidise the matchday ticket costs, rather than the opposite way round.

 

[JacoZA]

I think Levy came across very well for the most part, as did the rest.

The one thing I'd have asked Levy, is that if we can afford to forego tens of millions of pounds by not getting a naming rights deal, then why do we need to make sure we squeeze every potential penny out of the ticket pricing structure?

Surely it would make more sense to take £20-£50m whatever from a big corp for naming rights, and subsidise the matchday ticket costs, rather than the opposite way round.

I think his insinuation on the naming rights thing is that they don't currently see the lack of sponsor as a loss of potential income. They believe the brand exposure of having events at 'The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium' rather than the [Brand X stadium] is currently worth the same as any sponsor's investment. Whether or not that is accurate is true and accurate, I don't know - but it can at least be calculated, if anyone on here works in media sales.

 

[Hoopspur]

He's an old man now. He's failed. He's been proved as useless.

A bald useless ****.

That is Daniel. A useless bald ****. It's such a shame we've had to put up with a quarter of a century of his ineptitude.

Teflon Dan. He's always managed to deflect. Not for me. I got his number very quickly.

Biggest **** ever to infect whl

I can actually demonstrate through final table positions for Enic’s full control that we have done better than previous owners over the same period of time. We’ve finished on average 6.3 since Enic, 8.85 for the same period prior. Since Enic 10th or worse 3 times, prior 11. Last 10 seasons inside top 8, prior to Enic last 10 seasons inside 3 times. Demonstrably doing and getting even better.

Let’s go back to Sugar and Scholar etc? Some of the worse football (and players), but you wouldn’t remember that.

 

[Dougal]

Postecoglou has taken the heat off Levy and now he’s vomiting sound bites in every direction. Keep your focus on the money and prices folks, he won’t budge on that.

 

[Cream]

I think his insinuation on the naming rights thing is that they don't currently see the lack of sponsor as a loss of potential income. They believe the brand exposure of having events at 'The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium' rather than the [Brand X stadium] is currently worth the same as any sponsor's investment. Whether or not that is accurate is true and accurate, I don't know - but it can at least be calculated, if anyone on here works in media sales.

I do find the sugar argument by the levy apologists hilarious tbh.

 

[thelak]

I think Levy came across well in relative terms

still got the impression of a man not willing to take full responsibility for his actions and riding on the coat tails of the current feel good factor

and ultimately not still clear on whether Ange will get fully backed for us to win things or not - time will tell

 

[HodisGawd]

Really? No need to bring appearance into it and he is far from useless. Under his stewardship we have actually risen up the league and challenged for trophies, if not winning them. We have built state of the art facilities majority are jealous of.

Whatever you think of the past few years and some of his mistakes (which he accepted at the forum by the way) he is far from useless. Anybody will have made mistakes in a 20 year period. Just look at other clubs to see he isn't really that bad in comparison. Could he have done better with some things? Yep absolutely. But useless? Nah.

And before you or anyone else labels me a Levy defender or lover I want him gone. I can just accept the good he has done and acknowledge it without turning into a child having a temper tantrum.

This is the kind of balance and clear thinking this debate needs.

I'm on the opposing view in that I, on balance, want him to stay. But I will completely respect posts like this and am open to being persuaded to change my view by them.

You are bang on: in 20 years of running a club any chairman is going to do a lot right and a lot wrong.

But the name-calling, abuse and disrespect needs to stop.

If Levy left tomorrow, would he leave the club in a better state than he found it?

100% yes.

Ney, 110% yes (this is football, after all).

 

[Dannyspur]

Did he say how much he hopes to save by removing concessions?

 

[PaulM]

I think Levy came across well in relative terms

still got the impression of a man not willing to take full responsibility for his actions and riding on the coat tails of the current feel good factor

and ultimately not still clear on whether Ange will get fully backed for us to win things or not - time will tell

Isn't he entitled to that given that he takes pretty much all the abuse when things aren't going so well?

 

[GuytheGorilla]

I can actually demonstrate through final table positions for Enic’s full control that we have done better than previous owners over the same period of time. We’ve finished on average 6.3 since Enic, 8.85 for the same period prior. Since Enic 10th or worse 3 times, prior 11. Last 10 seasons inside top 8, prior to Enic last 10 seasons inside 3 times. Demonstrably doing and getting even better.

Let’s go back to Sugar and Scholar etc? Some of the worse football (and players), but you wouldn’t remember that.

Thanks for that, very interesting. I'm not great at working out stuff like that so if you have a moment can you tell us about finals reached and trophies won in the ENIC era against the same number of years previous to them taking over. Cheers.

 

[Hoopspur]

Thanks for that, very interesting. I'm not great at working out stuff like that so if you have a moment can you tell us about finals reached and trophies won in the ENIC era against the same number of years previous to them taking over. Cheers.

Google is your friend. Enic 2002-2023 and prior 1981-2001. I’m sure you could also spend the time.

Not toooo difficult…

Tottenham Hotspur - Cup history

Diese Übersicht listet die Pokalhistorie des Vereins Tottenham. Die Pokalspiele werden auf die jeweiligen Wettbewerbe unterteilt, an denen der Klub teilgenommen hat.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[thelak]

Isn't he entitled to that given that he takes pretty much all the abuse when things aren't going so well?

Yes but were only 5 games in and my sense is he’s using the feel good near term to make half truth mea culpas

it was a mistake hiring win now managers - well yes but only because they weren’t backed with win now players that they have had elsewhere

Lots of other half truths too around ticket price rational, amount of reinvestment back into the club etc.

 

[Trix]

I can actually demonstrate through final table positions for Enic’s full control that we have done better than previous owners over the same period of time. We’ve finished on average 6.3 since Enic, 8.85 for the same period prior. Since Enic 10th or worse 3 times, prior 11. Last 10 seasons inside top 8, prior to Enic last 10 seasons inside 3 times. Demonstrably doing and getting even better.

Let’s go back to Sugar and Scholar etc? Some of the worse football (and players), but you wouldn’t remember that.

Both Sugar and Scholar failed. They might have been even bigger failures than Levy, but they didn't fail for 20+years. Sunak for instance is less of a failure than Borris, but a failure all the same.

 

[thelak]

I can actually demonstrate through final table positions for Enic’s full control that we have done better than previous owners over the same period of time. We’ve finished on average 6.3 since Enic, 8.85 for the same period prior. Since Enic 10th or worse 3 times, prior 11. Last 10 seasons inside top 8, prior to Enic last 10 seasons inside 3 times. Demonstrably doing and getting even better.

Let’s go back to Sugar and Scholar etc? Some of the worse football (and players), but you wouldn’t remember that.

Why not go back to the 60s-80s when we used to win things regularly

but you wouldn’t remember that

 

[Hoopspur]

Both Sugar and Scholar failed. They might have been even bigger failures than Levy, but they didn't fail for 20+years. Sunak for instance is less of a failure than Borris, but a failure all the same.

It was in direct response to the guys talk about Levy’s tenure and the previous incumbents. The only way to measure that is over the same period of time surely? After all see your (relevant) Sunak Boris comment. From what I see Schollar was Chairman 12 years prior to Sugar. I’m sorry but if anyone sees these as Glory Days, apart from the obvious Cup Finals then they are living it cloud cuckoo land. Some of the players during this period were quite abysmal and performances to match. Anyone want to stick thei hands up and remember Bolton (in the division below us) in the Cup on a Wednesday night? Lose 6-1 away and it should have been 7. Tell me about Calderwood when we lost 4-0 away at Coventry. I know results happen but there were long dark periods. We are still on an upward trajectory. Unfortunately there is probably a ceiling we’ve hit without a slight change. Hopefully we will do so.

 

[Hoopspur]

Why not go back to the 60s-80s when we used to win things regularly

but you wouldn’t remember that

Not true and why would I? Cream’s post was about Enic (21 years). How else can I measure a comparison than by the 21 years prior to that. Come on enlighten me.

 

[Trix]

It was in direct response to the guys talk about Levy’s tenure and the previous incumbents. The only way to measure that is over the same period of time surely? After all see your (relevant) Sunak Boris comment. From what I see Schollar was Chairman 12 years prior to Sugar. I’m sorry but if anyone sees these as Glory Days, apart from the obvious Cup Finals then they are living it cloud cuckoo land. Some of the players during this period were quite abysmal and performances to match. Anyone want to stick thei hands up and remember Bolton (in the division below us) in the Cup on a Wednesday night? Lose 6-1 away and it should have been 7. Tell me about Calderwood when we lost 4-0 away at Coventry. I know results happen but there were long dark periods. We are still on an upward trajectory. Unfortunately there is probably a ceiling we’ve hit without a slight change. Hopefully we will do so.

The whole league has improved massively since that point not just us. It's all relative. We were 5-0 down to Newcastle last season in 20 minutes so yes results happen. Anyway it's not about who was the worst of the three failed chairmen is it. It's plain and simple, has the current one done enough to still be the current chairman, and IMO he hasn't. Yes I understand there is very little we can do just like there is very little we can do about Sunak right now. We are stuck with them until we aren't, but I don't hear people saying there's no point criticising the current government because Sunak says he's trying to change things and admits he's made mistakes. The fact is the numerous mistakes made and the damage it's already caused is enough to want change regardless.

 

[robin09]

I think his insinuation on the naming rights thing is that they don't currently see the lack of sponsor as a loss of potential income. They believe the brand exposure of having events at 'The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium' rather than the [Brand X stadium] is currently worth the same as any sponsor's investment. Whether or not that is accurate is true and accurate, I don't know - but it can at least be calculated, if anyone on here works in media sales.

I can see the argument from the point of view that the first naming sponsor will probably be the one that sticks, even after it may change again. So it has to be a big, long deal.

I like the idea of it being TH football stadium. But I don't see why it couldn't be the Heinz Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, if it was that important to keep some branding.