The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Trix]

Not true and why would I? Cream’s post was about Enic (21 years). How else can I measure a comparison than by the 21 years prior to that. Come on enlighten me.

The pre Premier league era and the last 20 years are not remotely comparable anyway due to finances.

 

[thelak]

Not true and why would I? Cream’s post was about Enic (21 years). How else can I measure a comparison than by the 21 years prior to that. Come on enlighten me.

His post from what I can see is just abusing Levy and calling him a bunch of names

youve tried to make some sort of articulate detailed statistical analysis out of that tied to the specific unsuccessful period that preceded it but not reflecting that for a long period before that we were a major club regularly winning big trophies

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Isn't he entitled to that given that he takes pretty much all the abuse when things aren't going so well?

Yep can't not have it both ways.

He needs to make up for a lot of poor decisions and poor PR over the years but he can have credit for hiring Ange absolutely and he came across fairly well in that fan forum.

I don't think its just as simple as 'backing managers' I think its important that Levy trusts the Manager he's hired and that the Manager he's hired communicates and works well open and honestly with Levy and is ambitious yet realistic, all of which Ange is so I'm optimistic this project will go well as it already is.

 

[Hoopspur]

The pre Premier league era and the last 20 years are not remotely comparable anyway due to finances.

You are now getting into other areas. As I've said we have probably reached our ceiling, unless FPP or something puts a stop to that. We will not be able to compete (ever) with City or the like, previously Chelsea, who are financially doped clubs. City were upset last year that the didn't win all 4. Anyone betting against them doing that again this year? Like it or not there is a limit to what we can achieve.

The thing is I am not even a Levy supporter and I would like now to see a different approach, but I don't know what that is. But as I said yesterday, the constant bashing is a little much, especially when most, if not all (and myself included) know very little about how it is working, coupled with expectations. You are in a privileged position and are getting it from inside the club (I assume).

 

[Cream]

His post from what I can see is just abusing Levy and calling him a bunch of names

youve tried to make some sort of articulate detailed statistical analysis out of that tied to the specific unsuccessful period that preceded it but not reflecting that for a long period before that we were a major club regularly winning big trophies

I've made detailed posts articulating the idiotic decisions this stumblebum has made running my club. Was just checking in as it seems folks were buying his bullshit mea culpa but I'm a nice guy really.

He's an incompetent ****. Not fit to run a cheap suit shop.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

You could stop posting in this thread for weeks at a time, dip back in at any point you like and it'll be the same names and the same arguments going around and around and around, getting nowhere.

haha. mugs.

 

[Hoopspur]

I've made detailed posts articulating the idiotic decisions this stumblebum has made running my club. Was just checking in as it seems folks were buying his bullshit mea culpa but I'm a nice guy really.

He's an incompetent ****. Not fit to run a cheap suit shop.

Which coincidently isn't quite true.....

Quote "Levy his millions through his family business in "Mister Byrite", the discount clothing chain of the 1980s and 1990s, and became part of the English National Investment Company (ENIC)"

 

[Hoopspur]

You could stop posting in this thread for weeks at a time, dip back in at any point you like and it'll be the same names and the same arguments going around and around and around, getting nowhere.

haha. mugs.

Just maybe his little appearance the other night might have sparked a new round? No point in anyone commenting on anything really I suppose?

 

[DogsOfWar]

His post from what I can see is just abusing Levy and calling him a bunch of names

youve tried to make some sort of articulate detailed statistical analysis out of that tied to the specific unsuccessful period that preceded it but not reflecting that for a long period before that we were a major club regularly winning big trophies

The point is that the measure of how good a team is comes through league position, in which case, we're in our best sustained period in the history of the club (even the last four years of disaster on the pitch has seen us come 6th, 7th, 4th, and 8th).
Unfortunately, a lot of us older fans saw success through cups which were still seen as big trophies and relevant.

The rise of the Prem and the CL has seen these cups devalued to the point where they are seen as getting in the way of the league competitions.

And that's where I seem to differ from a lot of our anti-Levy fans.
I, sadly, accept that this is modern football, that runners up in the Prem and CL final has more value than an FA/League cup win.
I don't like it but I don't blame the chairman for doing it as the game has moved on.

 

[vegassd]

All the historical comparisons are a bit bonkers aren't they? May as well compare us to Spurs in the 1920-30s because it would make as much sense!

The last 20 years have seen football change drastically. I wasn't around in the 60s but I would guess that football today is almost a different sport entirely to how it was back then.

A better comparison would be to clubs of a similar "stature" during the same period, but even then it's a bit muddled with all the money involved. It feels like we have been slow and steady under ENIC - slow enough to not capitalise on trophy opportunities, but steady enough to never fall out of striking distances like some clubs. Excellent foundations but without the balls deep conviction it feels we need to win stuff in the next few years.

You could stop posting in this thread for weeks at a time, dip back in at any point you like and it'll be the same names and the same arguments going around and around and around, getting nowhere.

Gotta give JW some posts to rate!

...just joking JW

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Just maybe his little appearance the other night might have sparked a new round? No point in anyone commenting on anything really I suppose?

Look, if you want to talk copious amounts of bollocks and lurch from one ridiculous statement to another, going around in repetitive circles, then you 'suppose' what you like and crack into it.

I'm much more careful in rationing the bollocks I come out with

 

[Hoopspur]

Look, if you want to talk copious amounts of bollocks and lurch from one ridiculous statement to another, going around in repetitive circles, you crack into it.

I'm much more careful in rationing the bollocks I come out with

"Carry On Regardless" or "Up The Khyber"

 

[chas vs dave]

The pre Premier league era and the last 20 years are not remotely comparable anyway due to finances.

the previous 20 years also didn't have sportswashers and oligarchs distorting the market.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

"Carry On Regardless" or "Up The Khyber"

haha I watched 'Khyber' this week

 

[Sophos151]

All the historical comparisons are a bit bonkers aren't they? May as well compare us to Spurs in the 1920-30s because it would make as much sense!

The last 20 years have seen football change drastically. I wasn't around in the 60s but I would guess that football today is almost a different sport entirely to how it was back then.

A better comparison would be to clubs of a similar "stature" during the same period, but even then it's a bit muddled with all the money involved. It feels like we have been slow and steady under ENIC - slow enough to not capitalise on trophy opportunities, but steady enough to never fall out of striking distances like some clubs. Excellent foundations but without the balls deep conviction it feels we need to win stuff in the next few years.

I think we’ve definitely outperformed the likes of Aston Villa, Everton, Leeds, and Newcastle over the last 21 years - and they’re probably the clubs we should be comparing ourselves to if we’re taking ENIC’s arrival as our starting point.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

So in summary average position under ENIC up about 2 places, yay but won nothing, boo. Beautiful stadium, yay, but greed causing prices through the roof, boo. ENIC ain’t Scholar so we’re doing no Leeds, yay, but 23 years tells us they ain’t owners prepared to do what it takes to win, boo. Always the same arguments to be made on the SC magic roundabout, boo You’re either happy with that, yay, or you’re not, boo, and we’ll be talking about it on here until they’re gone… boo

 

[Trix]

the previous 20 years also didn't have sportswashers and oligarchs distorting the market.

No, but there have always been clubs that spend way more than other clubs sometimes due to wealthy owners.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Same old arguments go on Ad Infinitum, Spurs in the last 5 years have spent a measly half billion pounds on transfers , I mean really shocking, that's more than Liverpool or Man City but less than those nutters at Chelsea

Premier League - Transfer balance and five-year comparison

In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Premier League miteinander verglichen.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[Japhet]

Both Sugar and Scholar failed. They might have been even bigger failures than Levy, but they didn't fail for 20+years. Sunak for instance is less of a failure than Borris, but a failure all the same.

Fair enough, but much of Levy's tenure has been against the backdrop of financial doping and Sugar Daddy clubs hoovering up trophies.

 

[Trix]

Fair enough, but much of Levy's tenure has been against the backdrop of financial doping and Sugar Daddy clubs hoovering up trophies.

Indeed but if that's all it were(competing financially) I wouldn't treat him so harshly. In fact most of the mistakes that have been made I can accept in isolation. It's the quantity of fuck ups compounded together over time I have a major problem with. The last 4-5 years it's been error after error. From the numerous managerial searches that have been a disaster, to the Super league catastrophe and ticket pricing. I know I talk from a position not everyone understands but it really has been chaos at times. With nobody truly understanding what the fuck is going on including Daniel.