The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[rossdapep]

I normally love all your posts but christ on a bike anyone would think we've been one of the worst run clubs in the league from this.
He's had a long term strategy to get us up and stay with the big boys. There have been some bumps in the road but the foundations and intent have been solid.
Mistakes will be made again but he makes more good decisions than bad but most have been vindicated with opportunity of hindsight.
Allowing Poch to move from a DoF model and getting in Mourinho and Conte to probably appease the fan base and Kane have been his biggest faux pas but they haven't been catastrophic (see Man Utd)

I don't see how you can interpret what I said as 'been of the worst run clubs'??

I haven't scathingly attacked him, I am just being cautious.

He has done incredibly well getting the club into becoming one of the top club's in the country and the stadium/facilities/investments etc speak for themselves.

But I wasn't criticising him for that.

It is true that he has held the club back at times, and, I am sure @Trix can attetst to this, but he has often listened to those alongside him and gone against the sporting people (sign players like Spence, cause he is English and much cheaper, etc)

We are only 6 months into this new regime.

I think a little caution is only fair.

 

[greaves]

I think it's wonderful where the club is, the energy, the growth on the pitch, the change in style, phisophy and optimism.

Correction: fizzophy. Origin ME, meaning: effervescence, verve, spirit.

 

[Styopa]

Without a doubt Levy has done a great job laying the foundations for us to be really successful. We’ve also not had any major disasters whilst he has been in charge. Mostly we’ve been a very solid top six club.

However its worth remembering that we became a club who regularly competed for a Champions League place as long as fifteen to twenty years ago. In other words, we have been at that level for a long time.

The question is what happens next. For sure it feels like we are in a new phase off the pitch, but do we translate that into a new phase on the pitch? Or will this be another Redknapp or Poch style cycle where it looks like everything is falling into place only for us to get cold feet at the last minute?

This feels different from previous times given the work done off the pitch but at some point surely we have to take the next step of becoming a team which actually wins some trophies?

I was thinking about this the other day actually. My dad will be 70 next year, there are probably similar aged Spurs fans on here. I wonder whether they will see the fruition of the Levy project or will it be another five or ten years of near misses before the team disintegrates again and we start a new cycle?

 

[McFlash]

Without a doubt Levy has done a great job laying the foundations for us to be really successful. We’ve also not had any major disasters whilst he has been in charge. Mostly we’ve been a very solid top six club.

However its worth remembering that we became a club who regularly competed for a Champions League place as long as fifteen to twenty years ago. In other words, we have been at that level for a long time.

The question is what happens next. For sure it feels like we are in a new phase off the pitch, but do we translate that into a new phase on the pitch? Or will this be another Redknapp or Poch style cycle where it looks like everything is falling into place only for us to get cold feet at the last minute?

This feels different from previous times given the work done off the pitch but at some point surely we have to take the next step of becoming a team which actually wins some trophies?

I was thinking about this the other day actually. My dad will be 70 next year, there are probably similar aged Spurs fans on here. I wonder whether they will see the fruition of the Levy project or will it be another five or ten years of near misses before the team disintegrates again and we start a new cycle?

Looking at the youth we've now got waiting in the wings, if we can carry on snapping up these sorts of players, we should be set for the long run.

We have to keep focusing on the academy and providing a pathway for these talents and that in itself should generate a healthy source of revenue.
Those that don't quite reach the levels we need will still be worth a healthy amount to clubs a rung down from us.

We really do appear to be in a very healthy footing now and all credit to Levy for seemingly achieving his long term goal.
There have been hiccups along the way, of course there have and that's got to be expected but just look around the rest of the PL and Europe, most clubs are on a pretty sticky wicket right now.

We actually appear to be the healthiest club around.
If we can keep this up, I've genuinely got boose gumps thinking about where we can go from here.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Getting Dragusin and Werner in so early in January is a huge huge step change for this club, it shows our ducks are finally in a row and that the football people are making the football decisions.

Those signings have arguably won us 2-3 points already as well as now being up to speed with how Ange plays for the rest of the season.

As an added bonus FFP is screwing a lot of clubs so Levy's incredibly long game finally looks to be putting us in a position of strength.

He's made some mistakes over the years and put us through some pain as well as some good times but things do look rosier than ever and I'm glad as all the off the pitch talk about Levy was so draining (but needed) over the years.

Now we can focus on our football team, with a great manager who plays the type of football our club is traditionally known for and that our fans want to watch, we are building an exciting young team again and we have the facilities and financial situation (regarding FFP) of any club in the league so lets just enjoy the ride now, god knows we've all been patient enough to this point seeing our rivals cheat and beat us whilst we were either a mess or end up the bridesmaid.

In football and in life things can always change but why not believe from now on they can keep getting better, we have everything in place for that to happen, I feel Ange is transformative and a perfect fit for us similar to how Klopp was for Liverpool and given time and more signings I think we will have some very very good times.

As much as we've lambasted the bald one for his f ups and poor decisions, we have to be fair and praise him when he's got things right and with the training ground, stadium, Ange and current football recruiting set-up he has finally got all of those ducks in a row.

COYS, Daniel

 

[greaves]

Without a doubt Levy has done a great job laying the foundations for us to be really successful. We’ve also not had any major disasters whilst he has been in charge. Mostly we’ve been a very solid top six club.

However its worth remembering that we became a club who regularly competed for a Champions League place as long as fifteen to twenty years ago. In other words, we have been at that level for a long time.

The question is what happens next. For sure it feels like we are in a new phase off the pitch, but do we translate that into a new phase on the pitch? Or will this be another Redknapp or Poch style cycle where it looks like everything is falling into place only for us to get cold feet at the last minute?

This feels different from previous times given the work done off the pitch but at some point surely we have to take the next step of becoming a team which actually wins some trophies?

I was thinking about this the other day actually. My dad will be 70 next year, there are probably similar aged Spurs fans on here. I wonder whether they will see the fruition of the Levy project or will it be another five or ten years of near misses before the team disintegrates again and we start a new cycle?

I think the stadium is the game changer. And building from youth (our ‘own’ or bought in) will become key. I have followed Spurs since 67. The club needs to consolidate a new identity so that whoever comes in fits in with it. No different really to, say Barca. Cups and titles will follow I am sure, we just need that stability, a long term plan while staying financially healthy. We are extremely lucky to have stumbled on Ange, and so is Levy and the board. They have made some dreadful choices and need to be kept well away from these choices in future.

 

[HodisGawd]

Without a doubt Levy has done a great job laying the foundations for us to be really successful. We’ve also not had any major disasters whilst he has been in charge. Mostly we’ve been a very solid top six club.

However its worth remembering that we became a club who regularly competed for a Champions League place as long as fifteen to twenty years ago. In other words, we have been at that level for a long time.

The question is what happens next. For sure it feels like we are in a new phase off the pitch, but do we translate that into a new phase on the pitch? Or will this be another Redknapp or Poch style cycle where it looks like everything is falling into place only for us to get cold feet at the last minute?

This feels different from previous times given the work done off the pitch but at some point surely we have to take the next step of becoming a team which actually wins some trophies?

I was thinking about this the other day actually. My dad will be 70 next year, there are probably similar aged Spurs fans on here. I wonder whether they will see the fruition of the Levy project or will it be another five or ten years of near misses before the team disintegrates again and we start a new cycle?

This time it is different.

Under Poch and Redknapp we did well, but we didn't have a powerhouse stadium built to print money behind them. Now we have. Levy has created the training ground, world-class stadium and has now been able to bring the best people in behind the scenes to manage how the money is spent on the first team. Now we can spend, just as other clubs are beginning to struggle.

That doesn't guarantee trophies, nothing does, but as long as we keep making good decisions in terms of playing staff and get a bit of luck we're going to have as good a chance as anyone. Man City, we're coming for you.

Having beaten Bayern and Barcelona to transfers this window says something. Players and their advisors know we're a club on the up.

 

[Styopa]

Just to say I agree with @HodisGawd @greaves @fishhhandaricecake and @McFlash above.

We have moved into a new phase due to the stadium. And I think because of that expectations are higher than ever before and rightly so. And Levy deserves credit for steering us there and giving us that platform.

But that also goes back to my original point which is Levy has laid the foundations and completed phase 1. But now we’ve entered phase 2 and we’re now in uncharted waters for us and Levy. If Levy remains and we achieve all we expect then we are in for a glorious decade ahead and his strategy will be utterly vindicated.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I still don't see what people expect, it was honestly embarrasing in the summer reading the anti Levy posts on here.

I was having a look and out of the top 40 most expensive transfers of players to PL clubs we have signed a grand total of.... zero.

I make this point not to show Levy as tight, but to show what we are competing against. This includes United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle. That is 6 teams that should be finishing ahead of us financially.

We are also 7th in wage budget to other clubs. So our expected position is 7th. Anything above this should be a sign of success.

Anyway if we take 7th as our expected position, let us look at how many times Levy has got less than 7th in the past years...

Here taken from 2009 we have finished below 7th on one occasion (last season), this has been through multiple managers, directors of football, coaches, players etc... As far as I know the only constant is Levy.

Just reading posts, like "I still do not trust him" or some shit like that. What the fucking fuck are you on about?

New stadium, new training ground, consistently competing in Europe for over a decade. We have been competing against clubs that have been spending money for fun. Chelsea, Newcastle and City have been cheating, Liverpool and United had double (if not more) our resources, what do you actually expect?

OK let's give him a kick about the superleague.... well he was still looking out for our best interests, even at the time people were suprised that we were involved as we were financially tiny compared to the other teams.

What other complaints we got.... just spend the money Levy... Many times he has not pushed the boat out and has limited our spending. Well mainly because we were building a fucking stadium, that does cost a few bob I believe. And a training ground and yes a hotel. (more income for the club)

Now we are spending the money and really focussing on the team again with some of the best staff around and we are now financially as strong as almost all of those 6 clubs, we can compete now as we have seen this January in the transfer market.

Even if it goes tits up this season, we still have the structure of the club and staff in place to respond and recover. Yes there can be criticisms made of him, he's not perfect. But have some persepective.

Rename this thread The OUTSTANDING Daniel and go back in your caves.

 

[DogsOfWar]

I noticed this graphic as part of the Klopp love in. We've had the 3rd best record in the league during Klopps reign. Things really haven't been that bad under Levy.

 

[robotsonic]

I still don't see what people expect, it was honestly embarrasing in the summer reading the anti Levy posts on here.

I was having a look and out of the top 40 most expensive transfers of players to PL clubs we have signed a grand total of.... zero.

I make this point not to show Levy as tight, but to show what we are competing against. This includes United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle. That is 6 teams that should be finishing ahead of us financially.

We are also 7th in wage budget to other clubs. So our expected position is 7th. Anything above this should be a sign of success.

Anyway if we take 7th as our expected position, let us look at how many times Levy has got less than 7th in the past years...

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Here taken from 2009 we have finished below 7th on one occasion (last season), this has been through multiple managers, directors of football, coaches, players etc... As far as I know the only constant is Levy.

Just reading posts, like "I still do not trust him" or some shit like that. What the fucking fuck are you on about?

New stadium, new training ground, consistently competing in Europe for over a decade. We have been competing against clubs that have been spending money for fun. Chelsea, Newcastle and City have been cheating, Liverpool and United had double (if not more) our resources, what do you actually expect?

OK let's give him a kick about the superleague.... well he was still looking out for our best interests, even at the time people were suprised that we were involved as we were financially tiny compared to the other teams.

What other complaints we got.... just spend the money Levy... Many times he has not pushed the boat out and has limited our spending. Well mainly because we were building a fucking stadium, that does cost a few bob I believe. And a training ground and yes a hotel. (more income for the club)

Now we are spending the money and really focussing on the team again with some of the best staff around and we are now financially as strong as almost all of those 6 clubs, we can compete now as we have seen this January in the transfer market.

Even if it goes tits up this season, we still have the structure of the club and staff in place to respond and recover. Yes there can be criticisms made of him, he's not perfect. But have some persepective.

Rename this thread The OUTSTANDING Daniel and go back in your caves.

Most of this, really, even though it's like talking to a brick wall around here in the darker times about it so I try to just stay out of it.

Plenty of warranted criticisms over the years and probably some more in years to come, but nowhere near as many as almost any other club owner on the planet as some sit in the cavernous and plush home we now have and toss shite without looking around themselves at how spoiled they've become.

Not enough ire imo placed upon previous ownerships that almost completely fucked us off for eternity to be honest. It's taken this long to undo that damage and put us on a footing befitting one of this nation's greatest clubs, which we are by any metric.

A frustrating case of tortoise and the hare it may have been for the past 20 years but we might finally be approaching the finish line and be able to flex the muscles of what has been built here.

 

[HodisGawd]

I noticed this graphic as part of the Klopp love in. We've had the 3rd best record in the league during Klopps reign. Things really haven't been that bad under Levy.
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We go to football matches to see our team win. And they have. I bet in terms of games won, the Levy years have been the most successful in our history - despite the lack of trophies.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

For the record since Levy has been chairman from February 2001

Five league cup finals, 2002, 2008 won, 2009, 2015, 2021.
Five FA cup semis, 2001, 2010 , 2012 , 2017, 2018
Champions League Final 2019

Countless high finishes in PL resulting in participation in CL, UEFA league and conference.
Unfortunately in the later finals and semis some of our star players failed to turn up or perform to their expected ability.

PS 2nd place finish in 2017 was the highest top tier finish since 1963

 

[chas vs dave]

I said a while back that my only criticism was the lack of planning, and us moving from what worked to a "win now" manager.

I don't want spurs to spend the most, I just want them to be smarter in the market. It feels like that now.

 

[Japhet]

I'm greatly encouraged by this transfer window. Levy has let Lange, Paratici et al do the jobs they were hired for and the results speak for themselves. Early signings, clever deals, deadwood shifted, good loans out are all very positive steps. At last we seem to be in a position where Levy will back off from football decisions and leave it to the experts.

Ange has been a brilliant acquisition and has been the first manager in an absolute age who is really worth backing, and Levy has recognized this and made the cash available. It's coincided with clubs around us floundering in FFP situations (deservedly so) and we are sitting pretty. We're even negotiating our way through the problems of shifting players out when everybody is skint. I'll be so happy if he can secure Ange, Paratici and Lange on long contracts with a view to building on the rock solid foundations he has managed to put the club on.

COYS!!

 

[TOLBINY]

I am going to put something else out there - the training ground, not so much the impressive facilities and the comfy pillows, but the eco / green ethos - it may mean very little to players who take a tour when we are looking to sign them but do not underestimate what it might mean to their parents / advisers who accompany them on the tour and can often influence a decision. It shows a club that cares about every little detail and provides some reassurance that the player will be well looked after.

 

[Styopa]

For the record since Levy has been chairman from February 2001

Five league cup finals, 2002, 2008 won, 2009, 2015, 2021.
Five FA cup semis, 2001, 2010 , 2012 , 2017, 2018
Champions League Final 2019

Countless high finishes in PL resulting in participation in CL, UEFA league and conference.
Unfortunately in the later finals and semis some of our star players failed to turn up or perform to their expected ability.

I agree, some of those matches we should have won. The FA Cup semi final v Portsmouth stands out. But in a lot of those cases we lost to teams who would expect to beat us because they were better because they had better squads. For instance the league cup finals v Chelsea and Man C, the Champions League final v Liverpool. And at other times we arguably took our eye off the ball because of the relentless focus on finishing in the top four.

I think most balanced posters accept that overall Levy has done a good job. And if the project now all comes to fruition you would have to say he has done in an excellent job over the long term. But what I often notice in threads all over this site is people overcompensating. So you have posters saying we should be protesting to get Levy out when we’re in a rough patch but then as soon as things are going well we have posters saying he is virtually faultless. There’s always these massive pendulum swings.

Surely the right answer is that he’s made plenty of individual mistakes and potentially we could have won a couple more trophies and even a league title or two if he had been slightly less cautious at times. But overall, and especially over the long term, he has done well and potentially we are moving to a new phase where his long term strategy is going to pay off big time.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

For the record since Levy has been chairman from February 2001

Five league cup finals, 2002, 2008 won, 2009, 2015, 2021.
Five FA cup semis, 2001, 2010 , 2012 , 2017, 2018
Champions League Final 2019

Countless high finishes in PL resulting in participation in CL, UEFA league and conference.
Unfortunately in the later finals and semis some of our star players failed to turn up or perform to their expected ability.

Levy has been in charge in the era of dirty money that has largely gone not just unchecked but even applauded.

Possibly the worst part is it’s not just the media who are willingly blind to the cheating and applaud the consistent theft of trophies over the last 20 years, but many of our own fans.

 

[easley91]

For the record since Levy has been chairman from February 2001

Five league cup finals, 2002, 2008 won, 2009, 2015, 2021.
Five FA cup semis, 2001, 2010 , 2012 , 2017, 2018
Champions League Final 2019

Countless high finishes in PL resulting in participation in CL, UEFA league and conference.
Unfortunately in the later finals and semis some of our star players failed to turn up or perform to their expected ability.

I have brought this up many times. We have reached the top end of cups many times. Levy isn't the one who plays the matches. That falls on the managers and players (and the opposition on the day as well as referees etc.).

If we take trophies out of it (yes I know) Levy has been very successful even with his mistakes like Mourinho and Conte and not pushing the boat out in certain windows.

If we continue as is with the current recruitment team and manager and he stays out of it, then I see no reason as to why we should oust the guy.

 

[Styopa]

Levy has been in charge in the era of dirty money that has largely gone not just unchecked but even applauded.

Possibly the worst part is it’s not just the media who are willingly blind to the cheating and applaud the consistent theft of trophies over the last 20 years, but many of our own fans.

It would be interesting to know how things would have turned out without the Chelsea and Man C takeovers. Those two have hoovered up the vast majority of major trophies of the last fifteen years. Although arguably Man U and Arsenal have been even bigger losers than us in the sense they were totally knocked off their perch but the dirty money.