The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[funkycoldmedina]

Dunno why you have this blind spot when it comes to Levy.

Your posts in other threads are always cool and really helpful eg on tickets.

How unbelievably arrogant is that take? It's like your opinion is the correct one and no one else's can differ. This thread more than any on here does my head in, it brings out the worst of fans. It's like fecking Brexit

 

[alfie103]

And there it is the lowest common denominator reply to someone who is putting across constructive discussion.

So it is fine when he mocks what other say but it is bad form when I do it back?

As a serious response to his point, I imagine he would have probably told Ange what the club's priorities before the season started and it was reflected in the team. Why not put out the weakened side in the league if we were serious about winning the cup? There were plenty more league games to come.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

How unbelievably arrogant is that take? It's like your opinion is the correct one and no one else's can differ. This thread more than any on here does my head in, it brings out the worst of fans. It's like fecking Brexit

You voted leave didn’t you

 

[funkycoldmedina]

So it is fine when he mocks what other say but it is bad form when I do it back?

As a serious response to his point, I imagine he would have probably told Ange what the club's priorities before the season started and it was reflected in the team. Why not put out the weakened side in the league if we were serious about winning the cup? There were plenty more league games to come.

He had a small competitive window before the transfer deadline to give as many players the opportunity, under him to showcase themselves in a competitive game. He's not building a team for this season he's building one for future years and that game was more important to confirm to him who didn't want than a league cup win with the players he knows he wants.

 

[McFlash]

The club certainly isn't prioritising them. I think it was evidenced by the team we put out for Fulham game in the league cup

What poppycock.
You really think, whatever Levy's goal is, that a manager is going to deliberately get knocked out of a cup because he said so?
Fuck me sideways!


And yes, I'm proud that I used the term "poppycock".

 

[McFlash]

Dunno why you have this blind spot when it comes to Levy.

And you don't have a blind spot when it comes to Levy?

Jesus man, just because it's your opinion, doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with it.
What an arrogant thing to say.

 

[chas vs dave]

I can't wait for the matches to start up again, and give us something tangible to moan about

 

[alfie103]

What poppycock.
You really think, whatever Levy's goal is, that a manager is going to deliberately get knocked out of a cup because he said so?
Fuck me sideways!


And yes, I'm proud that I used the term "poppycock".

I don't think Levy has told anyone to deliberately lose a game but it wouldn't surprise me if Levy said the league cup isn't a priority and to focus on the league and Ange has followed that and used the game as @funkycoldmedina suggested.

 

[alfie103]

Then you must mean that Ange has no ambition to win , as he selected the team.

I apologise for the previous comment, it was a dick thing to say. As per my previous post, I think Levy has told Ange the league cup isn't a priority and to concentrate on the league. I don't think Levy actively doesn't want us to win the cups (I am sure he would be pleased if we did) but he doesn't care if we don't and wants the manager to focus on the league.

 

[McFlash]

I don't think Levy has told anyone to deliberately lose a game but it wouldn't surprise me if Levy said the league cup isn't a priority and to focus on the league and Ange has followed that and used the game as @funkycoldmedina suggested.

That wouldn't surprise me at all, that top 4 is always going to be the bottom line priority because that where the Champions League and its money is.
Without that money, we can't spend big like you want us to do.

But that's not to say that he doesn't care about winning trophies or would instruct his manager to follow suit.
This is early in Ange's tenure and it was understandable that he needed to look at the deeper squad.

I'm sure we'll go further in the cups next season, even if we don't win any of them but this season has been a learning curve for everyone involved.

What would you rather have this season?
Get CL and a big wedge to spend on the team, or win the league cup and finish outside of Europe?
Because for me, one of those is going to enable us to continue moving forward and the other is going to give us a good day out but no really money to spend.

It's not an easy balancing act and I appreciate that we all want different things but sadly, football is all about money and the top 4 is where that money is.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

I don't think Levy has told anyone to deliberately lose a game but it wouldn't surprise me if Levy said the league cup isn't a priority and to focus on the league and Ange has followed that and used the game as @funkycoldmedina suggested.

That's not what I said. I think Ange has been given cart blanche to build a challenging squad. I'd be surprised if he's been given a priority list of comps to go for and if he had I think he wouldn't have taken the role. As unpalatable as it might be to some fans I think he used the league cup to validate in his own mind that a lot of those fringe players weren't what he wanted, nothing more nothing less. His job wasn't success this season it's about seasons 2 & 3

 

[Misfit]

Now, as anyone knows I'm not a huge fan of DL historically so am probably biased, but recently I'm not sure the moves he's made recently wrt to the footballing setup indicate he's entirely ambitionless or engender the need for his ousting.

As for his desire to win a trophy of any sort, I have to say no to that tbh. I don't think it matters to him that much, certainly not the league cup for example after his move with Mourinho during an otherwise poor season. Silverware hasn't been the be all and end all for him up to this point. It just hasn't for whatever reason. I can understand that really pissing some people off. It grates with me tbh.

It also means some do not give him any benefit of the doubt any longer. It is what it is.

 

[alfie103]

That's not what I said. I think Ange has been given cart blanche to build a challenging squad. I'd be surprised if he's been given a priority list of comps to go for and if he had I think he wouldn't have taken the role. As unpalatable as it might be to some fans I think he used the league cup to validate in his own mind that a lot of those fringe players weren't what he wanted, nothing more nothing less. His job wasn't success this season it's about seasons 2 & 3

I apologise for misrepresenting what you said. Are you ok to clarify what the squad is challenging for? Do you mean for the league title?

 

[RuskyM]

Not to be all "careful what you wish for" because there's clear problems with him and ENICs approach, but has any new owner come in recently that you'd want here? Ratcliffe's time at Nice hasn't exactly inspired, and the main selling point seems to be "he runs marathons" which is impressive for 71 but not really relevant to his day to day duties. How about the PIF: I'd hardly give an arm and a leg to have them here (they'd take it anyway if I was a little critical of them). And then there's Todd Boehly and his Amortisation Masterclass, and that's imploded hilariously.

At least there's a pretty obvious floor to how bad it can get under ENIC, even if the ceiling is uncomfortably low. I'd rather that than someone like the owners of Birmingham, who promised the world in October when sacking a manager who had them in 5th, only to now be facing relegation in May. There's an awful lot of people out there who think they're capable of running a club because they're rich: at least Levy's shown he consistently can do it.

 

[alfie103]

Not to be all "careful what you wish for" because there's clear problems with him and ENICs approach, but has any new owner come in recently that you'd want here? Ratcliffe's time at Nice hasn't exactly inspired, and the main selling point seems to be "he runs marathons" which is impressive for 71 but not really relevant. How about the PIF, I'd hardly offer an arm and a leg to have them here (they'd take it anyway if I was critical of them). And then there's Todd Boehly and his Amortisation Masterclass, and that's imploded hilariously.

At least there's a pretty obvious floor to how bad it can get under ENIC, even if the ceiling is uncomfortably low. I'd rather that than someone like the owners of Birmingham, who promised the world in October and sacked a manager who had them in 5th, only to now be facing relegation in May. There's an awful lot of people out there who think they're capable of running a club because they're rich: at least Levy's shown he consistently can do it.

Well I would like some more focus on trying to win the cup competitions or the Europe League or ECL when we are in it. I used to support Levy but I think it became clear when we tried to join the ESL he only cares about the money.

 

[McFlash]

I apologise for misrepresenting what you said. Are you ok to clarify what the squad is challenging for? Do you mean for the league title?

What do you think the manager and squad are aiming for?

I mean, Ange has told us enough times what he wants and players will obviously want to win things, it's a short career for them.

 

[muppetman]

This thread lately has been like watching two people arguing, but one only speak Swahili and the other only speaks Esperanto!

 

[alfie103]

What do you think the manager and squad are aiming for?

I mean, Ange has told us enough times what he wants and players will obviously want to win things, it's a short career for them.

Well if Ange and the players are talking about aiming to challenge for the league, I personally think it is a little unrealistic but time will tell.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

time will tell.

/end thread

 

[Styopa]

Not to be all "careful what you wish for" because there's clear problems with him and ENICs approach, but has any new owner come in recently that you'd want here? Ratcliffe's time at Nice hasn't exactly inspired, and the main selling point seems to be "he runs marathons" which is impressive for 71 but not really relevant to his day to day duties. How about the PIF: I'd hardly give an arm and a leg to have them here (they'd take it anyway if I was a little critical of them). And then there's Todd Boehly and his Amortisation Masterclass, and that's imploded hilariously.

At least there's a pretty obvious floor to how bad it can get under ENIC, even if the ceiling is uncomfortably low. I'd rather that than someone like the owners of Birmingham, who promised the world in October when sacking a manager who had them in 5th, only to now be facing relegation in May. There's an awful lot of people out there who think they're capable of running a club because they're rich: at least Levy's shown he consistently can do it.

I think it’s one of those situations which could go one way or the other. I wouldn’t like to predict it.

If we go by history through, there have been so many clubs who have fallen by the wayside due to mismanagement by owners. Traditionally big clubs like Villa and Newcastle have spent time in the Championship. Everton are on the verge. Then of course there is Leeds who have never recovered.

We have hardly even finished outside the top half in the last twenty years, let alone be relegated. We could do better but we could also do much worse.