The price is too high
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McFlash
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And, I joke not, apart from an old VHS of the 81 fa cup, the only Spurs dvds I've got are of that Arsenal and that Chelsea game.
They were fan-fucking-tastic and piss over our CL run, in my opinion.
Yes, that night in Amsterdam was great but in that cup run, we beat 2 of our biggest rivals in the last 2 games of a cup competition. And lifted a trophy.
Life doesn't get much better than that.
NEVILLEB
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It's attracted you hasn't it.
McFlash
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Yeah but I love to wallow in the misery of others. ?
Hakkz
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Maybe you've simply lost interest in the sport as a whole, and that's fine. It happens.
Maxtremist
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Some of this just sounds like people getting tired of football in general, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm 28 so I guess on the younger side so obviously take into account that all I really know is the premier league era, but even then football has changed a lot as a sport. I feel like there was the phase where the default was a 4-4-2 formation for most teams and that was just what most teams did but that's completely changed now. The sport is changing and the emphasis on winning and trophies and european football and money has all changed too. There's then the money in the business side of it, there's the chopping and changing of managers, the security of their jobs and all of it just means that naturally the on the pitch spectacle will change too as a result of it all.
Not to mention, especially during a pandemic, there's so much else going on and so many people re-evaluating/taking stock of things in their life it puts an extra emphasis on the things they liked and enjoyed. Like I feel some people were falling out of love with football already and this just accelerated it. I do a lot of spoken word poetry in my free time but now having an enforced break from it because of this pandemic I'm into it a lot less and that probably was in the works beforehand but this has just sped it up. You can't always love and be invested in football or anything all the time.
For me personally, I'd like to win something. I'd like to see Tottenham win something. Would be fantastic if we won it by playing 'beautiful attractive' football (whatever the hell that is?) but I'd like to win it. Beyond that though, I'd like us to win matches. As great as it has been seeing us play some 'fast paced, exciting' football, if we lost that still sucked. No matter how 'well' we played a loss was still annoying and you can only do that so many times before it's just not worth it. Are all the wins exhilarating? No... but they're better than loses for me.
Overall I like Tottenham, and the culture and the players and the team and it'll change but I'll pretty much always be a Tottenham fan and will support the team (not saying other people aren't supporting the team). There'll be some moments where I'm supporting and more invested than others, and sometimes when I'm not that invested. We're winning more than we're losing and still in every competition so I'm still invested in the team and Mourinho and generally enjoying the season. It's had it's lows, it's had its highs... as has every other season.
Not to mention, especially during a pandemic, there's so much else going on and so many people re-evaluating/taking stock of things in their life it puts an extra emphasis on the things they liked and enjoyed. Like I feel some people were falling out of love with football already and this just accelerated it. I do a lot of spoken word poetry in my free time but now having an enforced break from it because of this pandemic I'm into it a lot less and that probably was in the works beforehand but this has just sped it up. You can't always love and be invested in football or anything all the time.
For me personally, I'd like to win something. I'd like to see Tottenham win something. Would be fantastic if we won it by playing 'beautiful attractive' football (whatever the hell that is?) but I'd like to win it. Beyond that though, I'd like us to win matches. As great as it has been seeing us play some 'fast paced, exciting' football, if we lost that still sucked. No matter how 'well' we played a loss was still annoying and you can only do that so many times before it's just not worth it. Are all the wins exhilarating? No... but they're better than loses for me.
Overall I like Tottenham, and the culture and the players and the team and it'll change but I'll pretty much always be a Tottenham fan and will support the team (not saying other people aren't supporting the team). There'll be some moments where I'm supporting and more invested than others, and sometimes when I'm not that invested. We're winning more than we're losing and still in every competition so I'm still invested in the team and Mourinho and generally enjoying the season. It's had it's lows, it's had its highs... as has every other season.
Excellent post. I totally agreeI don’t care.
Three words that I never thought I would say, or even think. But it’s true: I don’t care. What don’t I care about? Whether we win our next game. Whether we win the league. Whether we get into the CL. Whether we win the FA Cup or the Europa League. I never thought it would be possible for it to come to this, but it has.
I’m fairly old. So I’ve been following, supporting and watching Spurs for a long time. I’ve been at Wembley and the Lane when we’ve won trophies; I’ve seen us lose finals and semi-finals. I’ve seen us relegated and promoted. I’ve watched some great players and some shit ones, some good teams and bad ones. But I’ve never seen anything like this season’s Tottenham.
I want to win trophies. It’s embarrassing that we haven’t won anything since 2008 and that we haven’t won the Cup since 1991. It’s obvious to say that a club of our size should be competing for trophies most years and winning them on a fairly regular basis. It’s why Jose Mourinho is our manager. We don’t have to like him. We just have to respect his CV and trust in the idea that he will make our ‘nearly men’ of recent years into winners.
That’s what I did. I’ve never liked him and I don’t like him now. I think he’s a prick. But he’s our prick and we have to get behind him. So I supported his appointment and reasoned that I could put up with ‘Mourinho-ball’ because, as far as winning trophies is concerned, the end justifies the means. All-out attack hasn’t worked. Pragmatism, I told myself, is fine.
Only we aren’t watching pragmatism. Pragmatism is adapting to the prevailing circumstances in order to achieve the desired result. Pragmatism is adjusting how you play depending upon the opponent. In simplistic terms (and as a rule of thumb), pragmatism is attacking teams that are weaker than you and defending against those that are stronger. We aren’t pragmatic.
We have a ‘plan A’. If that isn’t working then……we stay with ‘plan A’. Plan A is simple: don’t concede a goal and rely on our world-class forwards to get one. Then don’t concede a goal. If we concede a goal, don’t panic. Don’t concede another one and hope that our world-class forwards get at least one goal; hopefully more than one. We don’t have any strategy of how to attack apart from ‘get it up to the forwards as fast as possible’.
The reason that I don’t like this is simple: it’s cowardice. We’re scared of losing. We are afraid of trying to win. Our objective is to avoid defeat – preferably with a clean sheet - and hope that we can score one or two more than the opposition.
I remember having a conversation with an Arsenal fan in the days before Wenger took over. He admitted that he wished his club played more attacking football but he justified the fact that they didn’t – the fact that they had been defence-first for as long as anybody could remember – by winning something now and again and never having been relegated. He knew there was a better way – it was three miles down the road – but didn’t want to admit it. That was the way things were. He lived with it.
Are we going to have to live with it? I can’t. If this is the price of winning trophies, then I’m sorry but the price is too high. We’re sacrificing what we are for the promise of a pot or two. We’re selling our soul. We’re abandoning our history because we haven’t won anything for a while. We’re in danger of not being Tottenham any more. Bill Nicholson will be turning in his grave.
I know most of you – if you’ve bothered to read this far – won’t agree. ‘Stupid old bastard’ you’ll say; ‘he’s talking bollocks. It’s all about winning’. Well, yes and no. Of course it’s about winning, but it’s about more than that. I realise it’s a cliché, but I’ll sign off with the famous quote from our famous captain.
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
Audere est facere.
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Nayim60yards
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All I can say to sum up everything discussed here is that the day I stop feeling excited about Tottenham playing in any game and the anticipation of the whole process, talking about it on message boards, reading about it everywhere, checking the team an hour before kick off and watching or listening or following on the website live commentary. The day I stop perching on the end of my sofa or the day my heart stops racing in excitement about the final result. The day I can go to bed and sleep peacefully when Tottenham lose a match. That day is either the day I stop loving football entirely or the day I actually die. I cannot envisage the former but the latter could happen at any....urrggggh!
No amount of bad play by the team over the forty odd years I have been a supporter has ever stopped me from being excited that it will be better next time and trust me I have seen some shite teams over those years. I am more than willing to "endure" this Joseball. Painful as it is to be in a cup final, still in the FA Cup and Europa League and in contention for top 4 or even the title. After suffering some of that dire football under George Graham once he got his way and sold Ginola believing Etherington was his successor, I really think I can tough it out through this difficult spell.
No amount of bad play by the team over the forty odd years I have been a supporter has ever stopped me from being excited that it will be better next time and trust me I have seen some shite teams over those years. I am more than willing to "endure" this Joseball. Painful as it is to be in a cup final, still in the FA Cup and Europa League and in contention for top 4 or even the title. After suffering some of that dire football under George Graham once he got his way and sold Ginola believing Etherington was his successor, I really think I can tough it out through this difficult spell.
The Opinionated Lurker
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It’s criminal that the likes of Vertonghen and Dembele had to walk away from us without a single medal to show for it when even Teemu Taino has one ffs. I don’t want to see Kane retire without getting us at least one thing. I trust Jose to change that more than any other manager we’ve had in recent history. It’s funny how almost everyone knows how important it is to get that first trophy before truly becoming winners; many can point out examples of where players and managers alike have said winning the League Cup for example was huge for developing a winner’s mentality, yet so many of our fans decide to be choosing beggars when it comes to winning something
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