The price is too high

[sausage]

2008 was the same, except after that final the entire team seemed to go on holiday until Ramos was sacked.

I recall it being carbon-copy of Poch - we were shite from January onwards, but made it to a cup final regardless.

I think Ramos had his cock on the block for a long time before the season started,

 

[Nayim60yards]

I recall it being carbon-copy of Poch - we were shite from January onwards, but made it to a cup final regardless.

I think Ramos had his cock on the block for a long time before the season started,

I'm not sure about the status of his phallus but that end of season run after winning the cup was a complete and utter disgrace in terms of results and performances but the memory of those is dull and the memory of the cup win is gloriously shiny, that's why I wouldn't trade trophyless seasons for trophied ones.

 

[wizgell]

32 here ( so hopefully not that old) but I too no longer really care. Sure I rant and rave on Twitter, sure I hop on here when I should be working but when it comes to it I don't care all that much. I don't celebrate goals, I don't look out for team news, I don't know when we are playing next until probably the day before.

 

[teedee]

I'm an even older old bastard (81) and I am also in full agreement

I'm not just an old bastard, I am a really old bastard. My sons, grandsons and granddaughters who are Spurs fans are in total agreement. It is a cowardly way to play against the majority of the teams in the PL and playing this way has cost us several points. It is a borefest. I welcomed JM's appointment, but it is hard work trying to support this style of play. It is possible we could win the Carabao Cup, but unlikely. It is unlikely we will win the Europa. It is unlikely we will finish in the top four and at this season's end all we will have to look back on are the many dreadful performances we have witnessed.

 

[sausage]

I'm not sure about the status of his phallus but that end of season run after winning the cup was a complete and utter disgrace in terms of results and performances but the memory of those is dull and the memory of the cup win is gloriously shiny, that's why I wouldn't trade trophyless seasons for trophied ones.

Not really mutually exclusive though. I'd take an 8th with a LC over an 8th without a LC, but it wouldn't necessarily trade a 3rd without a cup for a 10th with a cup. It's not a simple currency.

Problem with us currently is that it's been so long without anything, I'd probably take an 8th with LC this season just because it was stuff like that which propelled Liverpool up - not regular CL football.

I think most players will want to win something at a club, and our current and recently completed generation, including Lloris and Verts, both haven't had the glory of that. Apart from an Audi Cup. And a weird International Champions CupLeagueMultiLeague. Neither or which count.

 

[E17yid]

Not really mutually exclusive though. I'd take an 8th with a LC over an 8th without a LC, but it wouldn't necessarily trade a 3rd without a cup for a 10th with a cup. It's not a simple currency.

Problem with us currently is that it's been so long without anything, I'd probably take an 8th with LC this season just because it was stuff like that which propelled Liverpool up - not regular CL football.

I think most players will want to win something at a club, and our current and recently completed generation, including Lloris and Verts, both haven't had the glory of that. Apart from an Audi Cup. And a weird International Champions CupLeagueMultiLeague. Neither or which count.

17th and Europa will do me.

 

[sausage]

17th and Europa will do me.

Definitely if we still finish above Arsenal, Chelsea, and West Ham

 

[dudu]

I'm not just an old bastard, I am a really old bastard. My sons, grandsons and granddaughters who are Spurs fans are in total agreement. It is a cowardly way to play against the majority of the teams in the PL and playing this way has cost us several points. It is a borefest. I welcomed JM's appointment, but it is hard work trying to support this style of play. It is possible we could win the Carabao Cup, but unlikely. It is unlikely we will win the Europa. It is unlikely we will finish in the top four and at this season's end all we will have to look back on are the many dreadful performances we have witnessed.

We have had plenty of worse performances under managers playing the brave way.

Give the guy a chance.

 

[rez9000]

I’m not talking about last game I am talking about the previous ones before. And to be honest if Ndombele didn’t score that wonderful goal I could see them equalising as we were starting to back off and let them into the game. Anyway I hope the Sheffield United is a wake up call to the players that we don’t need to sit back all the time, and that we can take more chances and risks. Also I would like to see Bale given some mins if we are 3-1 up Moura was awful when he came on.

Every football match ebbs and flows. Lots of matches turn on individual events. I'm genuinely interested to know why you feel that an individual event in our match that pushed the balance in our favour is somehow less valuable or not worthy of praise? Is it a case of when we lose or draw, it's Mourinho's fault, but when we win, it's despite him?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

32 here ( so hopefully not that old) but I too no longer really care. Sure I rant and rave on Twitter, sure I hop on here when I should be working but when it comes to it I don't care all that much. I don't celebrate goals, I don't look out for team news, I don't know when we are playing next until probably the day before.

Because Jose is our manager or because of the pandemic and football feeling souless or something else?

I really don't think the football we play under Jose is THAT bad that people who have been die hard fans up to this point no longer care, that seems a bit OTT and I think if that's the case then a big factor in that is the pandemic and football feeling more souless now not having fans in the grounds and not being able to go to the pub with mates/family etc, I don't feel quite as 'into' football right now but for me thats 90% due to the pandemic and lack of fans and atmosphere etc not due to the football we are serving up which on the whole is pretty much fine and the results are pretty decent too so far.

 

[rez9000]

I would possibly feel the same if I was "fairly old", too, for whatever that means.

As it is, I'm 33 (34 tomorrow FYI, get those dick pics in lads), and in my time supporting the club we've won two League Cups. That's it.

Okay we won the 1991 FA Cup in my lifetime, but I hadn't yet started school at that point, let alone started watching Spurs.

It's easy enough to look back and demand more "exciting" football when you remember the glory glory nights of the UEFA Cup wins, the FA Cup wins, the Cup Winners Cup, even the First Division titles. But for those of us who are under 45, we don't. I'm delighted for you that you're able to look back and decide whether, on balance, you enjoy the attractive football (whatever the hell that means), or winning stuff. Most of us don't have that luxury, because we've never experienced the latter.

The reality is, we are title contenders for the first time in my lifetime. Real title contenders. Not "oh maybe Leicester slip up we've got an outside chance". Actual title contenders. My reasoning is this - a month ago, we lost our spot at the top of the league, and Liverpool looked like they were running away with it. Now, Liverpool have failed to score for 3 games, and we're 1 point away from them with our next game being against them. And that's in spite of us hitting a poor run of form. The reality is, it's anyone's season, and we are well well in the mix.

I have no doubt you will see the return of the style of football you crave in your lifetime. Then you can have your cake and eat it, remembering when we used to win stuff.

In the mean time, those of us who never saw the trophy-winning days, would quite like to experience them too please. And we have no greater chance to do that than with a manager whose footballing legacy is greater than that of anyone who has ever managed Tottenham in its history.

Am I to do a Cosmic-esque birthday thread for you, freeki?

 

[SpursSince1980]

LOL Tell me seriously, if we played like Man City and camped on the other teams box, what will happen when the ball goes to these lot?

Hojberg -- Sissoko

Regullion - Dier - Toby - Doherty

Lloris
​

Seriously what's the best tactics for these 7 players going forward?

Outside of Reguilon they are crap going on the ball. Hojberg isnt too bad but he keeps it tidy the rest are horrifically bad

Lloris has never been able to kick a ball, Dier and Toby seem to think they're Tom Huddlestone most of the time, Hojberg, Sissoko and Doherty aren't playing well

God forbid Davies starts

Rather than making our pitch bigger, our passing is so SLOW we work ourselves up in to tight spaces and it results in our midfield losing the ball

N'Dombele is trying to be Dembele but times 10 trying to find space but struggling as the pitch becomes way too compact

We are losing to the press, to beat it, you have to move the ball quickly under pressure like the Tiki Taka crap Pep did but our players struggle to pass if an opposition player looks at them funny

I cant stress how shit we are on the ball. We are the worst team on the ball in the top 6 but defending as a unit is keeping us near the top 4 FFS

I wanted to both winner this and laugh, as it is painfully true. Especially the bit about opposition players looking at us funny. Absolutely. Crazy how absolutely crap our boys can be when it comes to simple ball control and passing technique at times. Very few of our players have the ability to control the ball, move quickly and pass intelligently when the going gets rough. Sadly, that is the reality of what we have, and it i also agree that the other teams around us have players who are better at playing possession based football. Exhibit A is Poch final 10 months. As most of his players are still with the club.

 

[walworthyid]

It does.

I have enjoyed a fair bit of our Football this season, just as I haven’t enjoyed some of it. In much the same way I’ve enjoyed our wins whilst not enjoying our failures.

If the endgame is that we win a trophy, or trophies, whilst enjoying some and not enjoying others, I’ll take that over failure to win anything all day long.

I enjoyed games under Poch and Redknapp, whilst finding some of our games under them either abject borefests or, at times, embarrassing defeats. Ultimately we won nothing with both. Mourinho’s way is different, but has as much to enjoy as it doesn’t. The difference is that my focus isn’t solely on what I don’t like, whilst completely ignoring the positives, unlike those who seem to be flocking to this thread. Nor do I completely ignore the fact that we are in a cup final, in a title race and we’ll placed in 2 other cup competitions in JM’s first full season, all whilst he is still developing the style and mentality of the team. The only other team in the country that can claim the same is Man City, and Pep has been working with them for years, after spending over half a billion.

And you lot claim you’re not entitled?

Its not entitlement at all. Its personal preference.

I'm not entitled for spurs to do anything. I just prefer for us to play football that I enjoy to watch.

I accept those who feel that we just need to win something. Its not my personal preference. I've played several sports to a decent standard and have always preferred playing well over winning. Purely I think because I enjoyed it more. It might sound silly I guess, but its just the way I see it on a personal level.

In the end, the way I feel about it has no relevance other than to me. I dont like Jose as a manager, never have and I doubt I ever will. I dont like the way we play. I dont like the way he is currently treating some of our players. I just can't buy into his "project" at all.

 

[freeeki]

Am I to do a Cosmic-esque birthday thread for you, freeki?

I don’t know what this means am I being set up?

 

[rez9000]

I don’t know what this means am I being set up?

No. Cosmic used to do birthday threads for everyone. I've done or two for people recently and was just musing on whether I should do one for you tomorrow...

 

[Ionman34]

Its not entitlement at all. Its personal preference.

I'm not entitled for spurs to do anything. I just prefer for us to play football that I enjoy to watch.

I accept those who feel that we just need to win something. Its not my personal preference. I've played several sports to a decent standard and have always preferred playing well over winning. Purely I think because I enjoyed it more. It might sound silly I guess, but its just the way I see it on a personal level.

In the end, the way I feel about it has no relevance other than to me. I dont like Jose as a manager, never have and I doubt I ever will. I dont like the way we play. I dont like the way he is currently treating some of our players. I just can't buy into his "project" at all.

It's not personal preference at all, though your feelings towards JM may be.

I have no issue with fans having a personal preference towards JM, but you are incorrect when you say it has no relevance other than to you if you post about it on a forum. Once you've aired your feelings they become relevant to everyone, particularly if you engage in an argument/debate.

The entitlement badge may not apply to yourself, I don't know as I'm not familiar with your views here (I don't really keep tabs), but it certainly does apply to more than a few others on here.

 

[spud]

Have a 14th

I get the feeling that it isn't a good thing, but thanks anyway.

 

[wizgell]

Because Jose is our manager or because of the pandemic and football feeling souless or something else?

I really don't think the football we play under Jose is THAT bad that people who have been die hard fans up to this point no longer care, that seems a bit OTT and I think if that's the case then a big factor in that is the pandemic and football feeling more souless now not having fans in the grounds and not being able to go to the pub with mates/family etc, I don't feel quite as 'into' football right now but for me thats 90% due to the pandemic and lack of fans and atmosphere etc not due to the football we are serving up which on the whole is pretty much fine and the results are pretty decent too so far.

Combination of the lot.

I gave up my ST after the first season at the new stadium, because it just wasn't the same experience for me, and I genuinely believed I'd be ok just watching on the TV. But even that is so-so for me, I could easily miss a game and not be fussed. That would never have happened before.

 

[king_yid]

Guess you won't be watching the final then.

 

[Gilzean at the near post]

The opening post is absolutely spot on. Well said. I'm 61 and absolutely agree.

Let's at least try and play some football. Home to Fulham and we were scared of them!