Don't worry, we were joint top of the Premier League sustainability table
The reality of no European football
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Don't worry, we were joint top of the Premier League sustainability table
wadewill
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Totally disagree
It was a joke to everyone last year, it’s still a joke to everyone apart from West Ham fans and English media who will now say it’s great because there is an English winner.
Look at the teams they have played, they almost got relegated.
1,000,000% happy not to be in that next year.
Rather win the League cup, would have to beat at least one competent team to win that unlike this
mil1lion
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Crazy to say you would rather win a league cup because its irrelevant. Its better to win a conference league than nothing which is what we've done for 15 years. We don't get to pick and choose what to win. You have to try and win anything that you're involved with. Like anyone wouldn't celebrate if we won that cup, give over. We need to be in as many cups as possible and take our chance to try and win at least one of them. How anyone can turn their nose up at any form of silverware is beyond me. It doesn't have to be one or the other in regards to cup wins or league position.
Spot on. Our fan base and football club is so arrogant its unbelievable.
Reach a UCL final and anything below an FA Cup now is below us.
15 years and will be heading for 20, no problems.
Ron Burgundy
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brasil_spur
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Some sketchy maths in Trix’s post there.
We have 34 (as he points out) but that includes Moura, Danjuma and Lenglet.
So it’s actually 31. Then you can add Lloris and Winks to players that will leave for little or no fee.
That takes us to 29 but includes 2 junior GKs in Austin and Whiteman. So assuming Whiteman leaves we’re at 28. If we want to add 3 new players then we’re back up at 31, so need to cull 6 more.
Ndombele, Tanganga, Dier, Reggie/Sess, Perisic and Rodon are the obvious ones for me.
Out of those I would say that all should be fairly straightforward to move on for the right (low) price.
EastUpperDK82
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It doesn't matter if it means nothing to the club and players... that is how we present ourselves in Europe... if we just had the same desire, togetherness and hunger on the pitch, we could have won the European League or Conference League already
A season away from Europe is not a bad thing IMO. We need to change the culture first and have a go again.
Absolutely this,
fuck anything else other than winning a trophy, the sheer arrogance is why we get absolutely hammered by every set of clubs fans.
get that monkey off our back by winning anything we are in first.
Stuart Leathercock
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I think our club is carrying more debt than any of those clubs you mention.
mil1lion
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It is and it makes me sad coming from our own fans too. No wonder other fans dislike us. To look down on a trophy makes us arrogant, entitled and delusional. God forbid they actually put together a competition that the super clubs can't dominate. If anything the conference league is the working man's cup. We'll be the first to complain about City dominating yet not appreciate when a club like West Ham win their first trophy in over 40 years. Something that wouldn't have been possible a few years ago. Surely that's what football is all about, occasions like last night. Fuck City and their double or treble if they get it. They didn't earn that, they just got lucky with the sportwash lottery. The domestic cups are largely dominated by the top clubs. There is a lot more to football than the so called big 6.
Oh Teddy Teddy
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The strength of English clubs at the moment... wouldn't be surprised to see all three competitions won by Prem teams. It will be 2/3 this year.
Gassin's finest
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What's the snobbery against the EC? Its not different from when you had European Cup, Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup. Did we turn our noses up when we were winning them?
wadewill
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Has anyone said they wouldn’t want to win it?
Or just it’s the weakest of 6 trophies we will ever compete in?
I’d take that last night all day long, but for next season and our progression is good we aren’t in it. If we qualify next year after having a year of reset we should absolutely go all out for it
The way our fans act is entirely down to how the club have behaved over the last 20 years, the entitlement comes from the board putting CL qualification above everything else because it fills their pockets
Or just it’s the weakest of 6 trophies we will ever compete in?
I’d take that last night all day long, but for next season and our progression is good we aren’t in it. If we qualify next year after having a year of reset we should absolutely go all out for it
The way our fans act is entirely down to how the club have behaved over the last 20 years, the entitlement comes from the board putting CL qualification above everything else because it fills their pockets
Dazzazzad
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I can see the view of it being arrogance but as someone who is very dismissive of cups except Uefa and CL (at least until semi final stages) I see it differently.
Those who want us to focus on cups see glory in them. I just don't see that much. Just like winning the Audi cup doesn't deliver much glory.
For me glory is beating the best. Beating teams who have a fraction of our talent and resources just doesn't excite me that much. It's more I want to win to avoid the frustration of losing to a league 1 team or a tiny euro club.
When even lower league teams are resting players in domestic cups it says everything.
20 years ago it was different because teams did take them seriously. But things change.
It doesn't mean I think we should totally bin our efforts in these comps, rather I would be pragmatic and give more focus on where I think there is more glory.
Once we're in the semis or even the qf of a smaller cup, then I do feel it should become a higher priority if for no other reason than to give fans who do desperately wish to see us hold up a trophy something to make them happy.
Those who want us to focus on cups see glory in them. I just don't see that much. Just like winning the Audi cup doesn't deliver much glory.
For me glory is beating the best. Beating teams who have a fraction of our talent and resources just doesn't excite me that much. It's more I want to win to avoid the frustration of losing to a league 1 team or a tiny euro club.
When even lower league teams are resting players in domestic cups it says everything.
20 years ago it was different because teams did take them seriously. But things change.
It doesn't mean I think we should totally bin our efforts in these comps, rather I would be pragmatic and give more focus on where I think there is more glory.
Once we're in the semis or even the qf of a smaller cup, then I do feel it should become a higher priority if for no other reason than to give fans who do desperately wish to see us hold up a trophy something to make them happy.
robhumphreys
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It meant a lot to Roma fans last year and means a lot to West Ham fans now. Its only in the UK that its thought of as a joke, the rest of Europe take it seriously.
muppetman
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A proper winning attitude means we should have an absolute burning desire to win every single competition we are in, regardless of its status.
Until we develop that sort of fire we won’t win anything.
I know it’s comforting to blame everything on Levy and the board but a lot of this attitude comes through strongly from the fan base. Too good to spend energy winning the ECL!
Until we develop that sort of fire we won’t win anything.
I know it’s comforting to blame everything on Levy and the board but a lot of this attitude comes through strongly from the fan base. Too good to spend energy winning the ECL!
danielneeds
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This all started under Redknapp, who treated the Europa League like something he found on his shoe. Poch was also dismissive of it too. Ever since then, there’s been a culture at the club that anything below the CL is a waste our time. Maybe those views came as a result of Levy’s pressure to achieve top 4, but it’s been a series of wasted opportunities.
The way the PL is now, you’ve got to manage your squad especially of you’re in the Europa early stages. But part of AP’s cultural reset needs to look at how we view those competitions too.
wadewill
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And I fully expect he will.
Can see him being happy with 6/7 in the league and really having a go at the Cups.
E17yid
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Obviously if you’re in it you want to win it. I’d want spurs to thrash arsenal under 8s if we played them I would just rather we were out of it and focus on the league and domestic cups (where you ha e to play better opposition) The same does not apply if we were in the Europa as that is a great European competition but sorry if I don’t see us as a relegation fighting side celebrating a third rate European competition like the conference league brought back in the last 2 years. Where does it stop? shall we have 8th and 9th tier European competitions as well. At some point it dilutes it all and what it means to be in Europe. The way I see it we’re to shit to be in Europe anyway so is for the best.
We’ve literally not taken cups seriously for years now. That’s all to say really because everyone on here has witnessed it and knows it. I don’t want to be in the Conference League because it’s an admission you’re the ‘best of the rest’ but look at West Ham fans today, they don’t care they haven’t won a trophy in 43 years and now they have. I want a trophy.
