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It's all very technical, I think it's to do with which part of the body lands first. I remember dallaglio saying it was yellow because it was the back (?), I could be wrong.
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It's all very technical, I think it's to do with which part of the body lands first. I remember dallaglio saying it was yellow because it was the back (?), I could be wrong.
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It was a yellow all day. I've seen reds given for that but a yellow was fair, he didn't lose control just was too enthusiastic in the hit and he didn't land fully on his neck a few degrees more and a red would've been justified. The ref was poor, very inconsistent at the breakdown but Scotland played their poorest game and England played their best so the ref didn't have any impact considering the sheer gulf in class.
Itoje is a world class operator. Can't wait for his partnership with Wyn Jones in the summer.
Itoje is a world class operator. Can't wait for his partnership with Wyn Jones in the summer.
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Actually, I can see your point about a championship decider being good for the team's development. Eddie Jones will still find out one or two things about his players though, as a team as well as individuals. I didn't realise there was a chance of a world record winning streak. If it happens, I'm sure someone will mention the fact that the Blacks don't appear in the sequence
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Yeah I remember thinking daly himself was hard done by getting a red a against SA in the autumn but it just shows I'm not up to speed with the new laws. Is it the angle in which the p[layer hits the ground?
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Yeah my mistake, misheard what they said - it was his 6 Nations debut as a ref, but not internationals.
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That decides the severity, yes. Basically you cannot lift a players legs beyond the horizontal, full stop. If they land on their back (or front) then yellow, head/neck/shoulder you're looking at a red.
Same applies with the Daly incident from the Autumn. Taking a man out in the air is now a big no-no and the defending player is supposed to be aware of his surroundings and is responsible for what happens. You cant just run into people and plead it wasn't intentional. That incident had to be a red card.
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Pretty much, as I understand it. The phrase is "beyond the horizontal" as the pundits and commentators keep saying but that can vary quite a lot. I think whether the tackler has any control over the player comes into consideration for a red (whether he drops him from an unsafe height and angle or whether he's in control of his landing- though in the latter it'll surely still come down to the angle as driving someone down into their neck is worse than dump tackling spinning them then releasing in mid air, though both are obviously dangerous )
It kind of reminded me of Allain Rolland's Warburton red in the WC semi. A stonewall yellow but not reckless or malicious enough for a red. But it's all interpretation at the end of the day and with the game changing so much these days the refs are just following their instructions at the end of the day. Look at the high tackle changes now, it's crazy some of the decisions you see given now compared to even 2-3 years ago.
Yeah, it's a valid point though I think.
Mind you, I'm pretty sure that New Zealand's record of 18 doesn't feature a win over England either, which is quite strange!
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)With Gatland in charge, I'm sure he will be on the plane, but in the starting XV? On current form I think Launchbury, J Gray and Itoje are ahead of him. I don't think the quality of Jones' leadership means that he's first choice.
Right now I'd much rather see him with Launchbury to be honest. Sacrilege I know! It's also not going to happen given its Gatland and AWJ has unmatched experience.
I don't mind either way though, I'm not a huge Lions fan. I enjoy it and want them to win obviously but England is really what matters.
Agree completely. I would far prefer our key players to have a summer's rest with the Argentina tour being used to develop players like Underhill, Sinckler, George, Daly and the like.
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Oh yeah no doubt. Wales is all that matters for me but I'll still enjoy the lions.
Wyn Jones is a considerably better player than Launchbury and I doubt he'll ever reach Alun's heights. Onions.
Yeah, true, onions and all that. I've always thought AWJ a touch overrated ( forgive me )
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Never.
Actually seeing how he's widely regarded as the best in the NH maybe a touch overrated isn't so bad
Personally, I think it should be between him and Toner for the fifth lock spot. The emerging group of locks from England, Ireland and Scotland are far more dynamic than both and will give a better account of themselves.
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