The silent backlash continues...

[Maske2g]

In the second half of last season Im sure you all noticed the amount of empty seats at the ground for home games. Dont read into that attendence column too much, Im talking about people with tickets who simply couldnt be bothered to go.

I was one of those people. I think i didnt bother for 5-6 of the last 9-10 games. There were a couple of games where the empty seats were in their hundreds approaching thousands.

Watching this side has been tedious and boring for 3 years. The fans have been cheated once again with a dreadful transfer window. No matter what barrel scrapping is done, once again we are trying to cheat the market, and once again we are coming up short with a game already on the board. Signing defenders excites no one...

I dont go to football to applaude prudent financial management, i do that for a living, its dull, yet all I read on here is levy, verbal nob rinning, as if the aim of our club is to be rich. We are less than net flat in the transfer market, and it has been that way for 6 seasons on the spin. Our net transfer + wage bill is 8th in the league, are we the 8th biggest club? Defintely not.

"We have to sell to buy." Utter bollocks. Arsenal signed players when their ground was built. Every top club has a great training ground. These are excuses. We are being cheated. And so many people have bought the propaganda.

This is all stuff that gets spoken about all the time, so I wont rant on.

I gave up the ticket Ive bought from someone for 4 years because Im sick of being force fed mediocrity and pretending its ok. I will go to a few games to keep my points up, but im not going to go to 19 and maybe enjoy 4.

Given Stoke is a low grade game (more loyalty points) Ive just had a look at Stub Hub.

I was mortified. The first home game of the season for our once great club, and there are 570 seats available from under face value.

This is the silent backlash. We have been bored to death, we have been suckers, we hang on every word of itk every year and dont learn our lessons, we believe the propaganda, even though we had planning permission for our ground 5 years ago, we have a hole, but I think more and more people are waking up, and its going to continue. Our club philosophy is not changing anytime soon. And "To Do Is to Dare" is no longer it.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I don't disagree.
I've not actually made it to the end of a match for years.
I just decide we're so boring I'll get a head start on my longish trip home.

I too noticed ever increasing empty seats last season too.

 

[Jack]

Perhaps then you could stop buying up season tickets and let the thousands of us who would love to go to games regularly do so.

Nobody is forcing you to go.

 

[Maske2g]

I don't disagree.
I've not actually made it to the end of a match for years.
I just decide we're so boring I'll get a head start on my longish trip home.

I too noticed ever increasing empty seats last season too.

The 84th minute dash!! Ive missed about 4 winners, but saved approximately 2 days of my life!

Perhaps then you could stop buying up season tickets and let the thousands of us who would love to go to games regularly do so.

Nobody is forcing you to go.

Ah the self righteous biter. "Give it to someone who wants to go" you are of course absolutely right and hence I gave it up every time free of charge. Only.... No one wanted it!! You might have a different opinion if you had spent 10 bags on death by football.

 

[ERO]

Self righteous?

He's spot on he is. I'll have your season ticket - no worries.

 

[mpickard2087]

What are your solutions then out of interest? Specific things rather than 'better football' etc. What do you want to see.

 

[Maske2g]

Self righteous?

He's spot on he is. I'll have your season ticket - no worries.

Try reading a whole post... U will look less like you were not paying attention....

I agreed. And gave it up for free. Wouldnt begrudge another spurs fan. And again, in case you didnt read (habitual), i did not buy again this year.

 

[Y.I.D.O]

Maybe the answer is clear. Don't go as often and you might enjoy it more.

I haven't been able to go to every game ever but whenever I get the opportunity I relish and enjoy it as I know I won't be back there in 2 weeks.

I have found at times that the atmosphere at the lane isn't that great, I think that is in part to the performance of the team but also from some of those season ticket holders that have been going for years and years and some of the enjoyment has gone.

Also, I'm not sure how true it is that you struggled to get rid of tickets you weren't using. I know that on this site alone there would be probably about 50 people that would take them off your hands.

 

[Maske2g]

What are your solutions then out of interest? Specific things rather than 'better football' etc. What do you want to see.

Do we really have to go through the ample opportunites that we've managed to shun over these years?

Moutinho
Buying ONE proven player at cut price when we finally got to the CL
Saha and Nelson
Two seasons running weve signed no attacking players, deapite a backlash about boring football.

Our game is built around boring teams (and fans) to death

Everyone knows we need a CM and a wing/forward and maybe someone who has some craft and guile (thats not Eriksen)

Take a chance. To do is to dare.

Weve had no interest in Affelay, Xhakiri, payet, good players at reasonable prices.

If they dont work out, I dont complain, but show some intent. We have none

 

[SonicSarr]

In the second half of last season Im sure you all noticed the amount of empty seats at the ground for home games. Dont read into that attendence column too much, Im talking about people with tickets who simply couldnt be bothered to go.

I was one of those people. I think i didnt bother for 5-6 of the last 9-10 games. There were a couple of games where the empty seats were in their hundreds approaching thousands.

Watching this side has been tedious and boring for 3 years. The fans have been cheated once again with a dreadful transfer window. No matter what barrel scrapping is done, once again we are trying to cheat the market, and once again we are coming up short with a game already on the board. Signing defenders excites no one...

I dont go to football to applaude prudent financial management, i do that for a living, its dull, yet all I read on here is levy, verbal nob rinning, as if the aim of our club is to be rich. We are less than net flat in the transfer market, and it has been that way for 6 seasons on the spin. Our net transfer + wage bill is 8th in the league, are we the 8th biggest club? Defintely not.

"We have to sell to buy." Utter bollocks. Arsenal signed players when their ground was built. Every top club has a great training ground. These are excuses. We are being cheated. And so many people have bought the propaganda.

This is all stuff that gets spoken about all the time, so I wont rant on.

I gave up the ticket Ive bought from someone for 4 years because Im sick of being force fed mediocrity and pretending its ok. I will go to a few games to keep my points up, but im not going to go to 19 and maybe enjoy 4.

Given Stoke is a low grade game (more loyalty points) Ive just had a look at Stub Hub.

I was mortified. The first home game of the season for our once great club, and there are 570 seats available from under face value.

This is the silent backlash. We have been bored to death, we have been suckers, we hang on every word of itk every year and dont learn our lessons, we believe the propaganda, even though we had planning permission for our ground 5 years ago, we have a hole, but I think more and more people are waking up, and its going to continue. Our club philosophy is not changing anytime soon. And "To Do Is to Dare" is no longer it.

You're lucky to have a season ticket. Either support the team or not. It's up to you. Chelsea's not far away.

 

[Maske2g]

You're lucky to have a season ticket. Either support the team or not. It's up to you. Chelsea's not far away.

My bed is closer zzzzzz

Its not about supporting the team or not. Its about refusing to be taken from behind, balls and all. Paying for the ticket is supporting the team. Waking up and looking at the trip to Spurs like a dentist appointment is not caused by the fans, its the fucking shit football on offer

 

[mpickard2087]

Do we really have to go through the ample opportunites that we've managed to shun over these years?

Moutinho
Buying ONE proven player at cut price when we finally got to the CL
Saha and Nelson
Two seasons running weve signed no attacking players, deapite a backlash about boring football.

Our game is built around boring teams (and fans) to death

Everyone knows we need a CM and a wing/forward and maybe someone who has some craft and guile (thats not Eriksen)

Take a chance. To do is to dare.

Weve had no interest in Affelay, Xhakiri, payet, good players at reasonable prices.

If they dont work out, I dont complain, but show some intent. We have none

That's just a list of historic complaints with some incredibly vague comments about needing craft and guile. I'd agree that our football could be better and the one thing that I'd blame Levy for is a continued appointment of people who are rubbish tacticians who don't really understand how to play the game when you are a team with the majority of the ball each week and teams sitting deep against you.

The intent we are showing is to do things differently to other clubs. We are clearly going for a more youth-orientated approach and to use more homegrown players over the next few years. This might not please some supporters who want/believe that we have to spend, spend, spend and don't (maybe justifiably) have the time or patience to wait 5-10 years for this to come to fruition.

 

[SonicSarr]

May have sounded harsh but pissed off with the whingeing on here. 42nd net spend in football league, brilliant youth set up, fantastic new stadium on way and still hitting 5th or 6th in the league season in season out.

Mistakes have been made but boy it ain't that bad. It's what being Spurs is like. We were nearly fucked 20 years ago.

We are that close to getting it very right. I've waited 35 years and a bit of patience is all we need.

 

[The General]

I haven't noticed the empty seats, apart from perhaps a few of the Europa games.

I do agree though that there has been a lot of propaganda recently. Lots of talk about youngsters signing contracts, the training facility and the academy. Plus all the news on the stadium. However technically we're no further along with the new ground than we were 5 years ago.

I agree all this noise coming out of the club is probably partly an attempt to mask the fact we aren't really investing in the playing squad, whilst all of our competitors certainly are.

 

[Bobishism]

I wish it was a little more quiet. Don't like the football? Go support a different team. Perhaps one that only plays exciting football and wins every game.

 

[chico]

Poch can only work with the players at his disposal. Oh for a berbatov up front, midfielders like VdV, Bale, Modric, Carrick? And a Ledley to marshall the back 4. But at the moment he is working with what he's got.
Bale proceeds were clearly spent unwisely, and I would love to see us bringing in a couple of real stars. However the stadium will need a huge amount of our revenue streams to finance it. Patience will be required while this is built.
But Poch is slowly shaping the squad, and it's great to see our youngsters getting meaningful game time to develop.
And this is still miles better than the 90's, we've got the French captain, a number of Belgian Int'ls , a number of England squad players and other internationals too. Keep the faith!

 

[Maske2g]

That's just a list of historic complaints with some incredibly vague comments about needing craft and guile. I'd agree that our football could be better and the one thing that I'd blame Levy for is a continued appointment of people who are rubbish tacticians who don't really understand how to play the game when you are a team with the majority of the ball each week and teams sitting deep against you.

The intent we are showing is to do things differently to other clubs. We are clearly going for a more youth-orientated approach and to use more homegrown players over the next few years. This might not please some supporters who want/believe that we have to spend, spend, spend and don't (maybe justifiably) have the time or patience to wait 5-10 years for this to come to fruition.

This thread wasnt to talk about all that shit. Enough is done here daily. The overwhelming truth in it all is that we are boring. Our energy is in winning the ball. The excuse about teams sitting back behind the ball has become more and more mute as teams have realised they can press us more as we have no plan B. They DO do it.

People have been saying all of the above for years. You are one of the ones who has bought into it. The only thig that comes into fruition, is the sale of anyone who exceeds expectations, to a bigger club."transition year" "consolidate". I dont want to support a business, I want to support a football team. Boring our way to 5th is literally soul destroying

 

[Jack]

The 84th minute dash!! Ive missed about 4 winners, but saved approximately 2 days of my life!

Ah the self righteous biter. "Give it to someone who wants to go" you are of course absolutely right and hence I gave it up every time free of charge. Only.... No one wanted it!! You might have a different opinion if you had spent 10 bags on death by football.

Sorry I didn't mean to sound self righteous. You're right - I might feel that way. But until people who are dissatisfied give up their season tickets we'll never find out.

 

[Maske2g]

Poch can only work with the players at his disposal. Oh for a berbatov up front, midfielders like VdV, Bale, Modric, Carrick? And a Ledley to marshall the back 4. But at the moment he is working with what he's got.
Bale proceeds were clearly spent unwisely, and I would love to see us bringing in a couple of real stars. However the stadium will need a huge amount of our revenue streams to finance it. Patience will be required while this is built.
But Poch is slowly shaping the squad, and it's great to see our youngsters getting meaningful game time to develop.
And this is still miles better than the 90's, we've got the French captain, a number of Belgian Int'ls , a number of England squad players and other internationals too. Keep the faith!

Lots of good points but please never compare anything to the 90s again. Despite nearly going bankrupt, we STiLL showed intent in the transfer market every year without fail. Sheringham, Anderton, Klinsmann, Richard's, Armstrong, Ferdinand. We tried, we just managed to sign a shit lod of donkeys too. But at least we had hopes and dreams, rather than resigned to boredom.

 

[spurs mental]

Think you need a season ticket at Barcelona or Bayern Munich, chief.

1) I don't know exactly what you are expecting. There are 4 teams, at least 4, better than us, and it has been this way for the best part of 10 years now. We've actually managed to finish 4th twice, but unfortunately most of the players who got us there are gone.

2) If it's money you want us to spend, rewind two Summers ago. And stay there.

We spent over 100 million, broke our transfer record 3(?) times, and most of those players were/are dogshit, to put it lightly. Previously, when we built arguably our best squad, we bought young, homegrown talent, or, like Modric, an exciting player from an Eastern European league. Mixed with experience, again English, in Woodgate, King and Parker, along with the Levy special Van der Vaart, and played probably the best football the league has seen for a long time, and even now, I don't think any team has gone close to emulating the style aw had under Redknapp with that squad, with the exception of maybe City when they won their first league title, and Chelsea for the first half of last season, until we embarrassed them on New Years Day.

We are looking like doing similar to a few years ago, buying young talent, hopefully adding more with Berahino and Werner or Bender, and we've actually added Alderweireld, who has PL experience and was part of one of the best defences last season.m

3) Financial Fair Play - we don't turn near as high profits as the top 4, or even probably as high as Arsenal did (allowing for inflation etc) when they built their stadium. They also had the bonus of, yes you guessed it, consistent CL football. We have consistent Europa League, which we all know doesn't compare in financial gain. Also, I think they sold Highbury? (Could be wrong, maybe someone can correct me). There's a reason behind building the stadium. Profits, and more fans being able to go to games, not including you obviously. We are ranching out to worldwide markets like Australia, U.S., Asia. Hopefully with our new stadium and don't forget our NFL deal, we will be able to turn higher profits, and spend more money on better players, along with better wages. Lest we forget, we will have to pushing for CL/qualify, to attract the better players.

4) The Premier League is exciting, but not for its footballing capabilities. Technically, it's poor compared to La Liga, and Bayern would probably run rings around most teams too (they have in the CL every year for the past 5). In terms of skill and football ability, it's not great, so unless you want to see us go balls in we'll score more than you every week, hoping for the best, I'm pretty happy with the way the future of our club looks. We've got exciting young talent coming through, to stifle it with big money signings would be a shame in my opinion.

I don't disagree that I'd like our football to be more exciting. But if we win every game 1-0 and won the league id be fucking ecstatic.