The silent backlash continues...

[riggi]

oh come off it, you'd love a song sheet handed to you on the way in, they can start us off over the tannoy and we can lock arms and wave little flags in the air as well

might bring my dads old rattle too....

We could also have some lads wave a big flag everytime we score....

 

[spurs mental]

Christ on a bike, what do we have to do to get through to some of you.

We can't take risks on players because we can't afford to take massive losses, like we have done so far this summer. We don't have CL football and players who we are after are now realising this is going to be the way for a while, at least until one of the top 4 have an absolute shit heap season. Actually if we had been doing well the year United finished 7th we could have gotten there, but Liverpool showed up and only slipped at the end.

We have to take risks, but calculated ones. That's why transfers are taking time, we are after players who clubs probably don't want to lose, ala Berahino, Bender, Werner and Embolo.

If we are to sign two of them it's an outlay of minimum 30 million. Do you guys seriously think we can afford to spend 30m on two players and afford for them to fail? Again? We are not Chelsea or City, we can't stockpile players on high wages.

The club are quite obviously trying to improve the squad and with those improvements in the team come improvements in the style of play.

But some of you need to face facts, even if we play beautiful sexy football, we still won't be in the top 4 come May. Thinking beautiful football will get us there is just wrong.

 

[Donki]

@Donki

Yeah but that wasn't quite the point made in starting another of these threads. You and I have done good owner bad owner before and I don't have interest in a rematch.

Coming back to lack of interest in the Stoke match, I do believe the lack of a forward signing has reduced demand, not just options for the coach. But your man doesn't need to worry about that sort of thing till Milton Keynes.

im always sad to read posts by fans of my generation who've dropped out. Some of them/us may be serial moaners, and lack support for the team when playing against lesser opposition at home. But on balance I'd take most of them/us above the newer fans I've sat near in the past few years. With their mobiles, messi shirts and biggest cheers reserved for news of anyone scoring against another London team.

I know and it's nice to have a discussion rather than the usual arguments that usually end up on here. Look I want to be successful, I want to be excited but what I don't get, is for decades we were shit, not dreadful just shitty mid table also rans. We had a mostly shit team made up of players how couldn't excite you if they tried, with the odd gem thrown in. Now maybe it's due to the lack of Internet etc but most fans back in the era 90s/00s didn't complain half as much as we seem to be doing now and IMO it's due to the improvement ENIC has brought us. No it hasn't been without setbacks but I believe as a club we are constantly improving and they have gave us higher expectations. We are in the toughest league in the world there is no doubt about it, look at the calibre of player City, Chelsea, United and Arsenal have.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Christ on a bike, what do we have to do to get through to some of you.

We can't take risks on players because we can't afford to take massive losses, like we have done so far this summer. We don't have CL football and players who we are after are now realising this is going to be the way for a while, at least until one of the top 4 have an absolute shit heap season. Actually if we had been doing well the year United finished 7th we could have gotten there, but Liverpool showed up and only slipped at the end.

We have to take risks, but calculated ones. That's why transfers are taking time, we are after players who clubs probably don't want to lose, ala Berahino, Bender, Werner and Embolo.

If we are to sign two of them it's an outlay of minimum 30 million. Do you guys seriously think we can afford to spend 30m on two players and afford for them to fail? Again? We are not Chelsea or City, we can't stockpile players on high wages.

The club are quite obviously trying to improve the squad and with those improvements in the team come improvements in the style of play.

But some of you need to face facts, even if we play beautiful sexy football, we still won't be in the top 4 come May. Thinking beautiful football will get us there is just wrong.

I know what you are getting at, but here is where the logic is flawed.

The football is poor and so is the squad.

If Stoke and Crystal Palace can afford to strengthen, then so can we.

Clasie who went to Southampton would have improved our starting 11 instantly with little risk. So would Cabaye.

Stoke picked up Affellay for FREE.

I just feel we are poorly handled upstairs compared to other clubs. Always playing catch up.

 

[Tonio]

I do laugh a little when people bleat on about youth this and youth that and "were doing things differently to other clubs"! Man Utd managed it with Beckham et al years ago (hasn't happened since i don't think??) but they flourished there and were successful there in that team because it was Man Utd and they were/are a massive massive global brand. If you put Beckham and the Man U kids back in the Man U squad now they'd be destroyed. Football is a different beast now than it was back then. As soon as one of our so called prodigies gets any where near to being brilliant then they will be sold off to the highest bidder, usually some club of Man Utd's stature. We won't keep them long enough to win anything with them and if you think we will you're deluded.
It all boils down in part to what individual fans want and for me its being able to play Champions League football and be up there playing with the Barcelonas of this world. Top 4 or FA/League cup and its Top 4 every single day of the week for me. Its where the glory is nowadays in my opinion and we aint getting there with youth. Sorry.

 

[SteveH]

It's all about opinion - but ours don't count.....luckily

 

[Khilari]

I know what you are getting at, but here is where the logic is flawed.
The football is poor and so is the squad.
If Stoke and Crystal Palace can afford to strengthen, then so can we.
Clasie who went to Southampton would have improved our starting 11 instantly with little risk. So would Cabaye.
Stoke picked up Affellay for FREE.
I just feel we are poorly handled upstairs compared to other clubs. Always playing catch up.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Sorry this post is so long.

Stoke and Palace may be able to "afford" these players and therefore maybe we could have too. But we don't really know what sort of wages they're on and there are many examples of low-mid-table Premier League clubs who bankroll well beyond their income. But point taken, that on face value there is no reason we cannot compete financially with Stoke and Palace.

Which brings me onto the next point, that whilst in your opinion Cabaye, Affellay and Clasie would have improved our starting XI, it was not necessarily shared by Pochettino (nor his scouting/transfer team staff). Granted, they may be wrong about some players - particularly if they go on to have barnstorming seasons.

With players like these, they often look really good and I think it is because of the "other club" factor. Most Spurs fans, like me do not spend inordinate amounts of time being able to watch other teams play. Going to the Lane approx once a month and watching highlights of Spurs on MOTD is my limit. Watching the other teams on MOTD or foreign players on the net is about as educated as I can be about players from other clubs. But in the same way that a Newcastle fan probably looks at Andros Townsend, remembers his great displays for England and the decent highlights reels from MOTD and YouTube probably make him look a better player than he actually is week in, week out. It's when you watch him play 90min live every week (or on the telly) that you appreciate more of his flaws (using him as an example).

In the same way, Clasie is 'highly rated' but the fact is that none of the clubs above Southampton were really interested in him and whilst he may go on to prove me and other scouts wrong, perhaps he and the others in your list above are actually as good as they appear.

Finally, it's a lot easier to improve a more inferior squad and look great - Cabaye at Palace will dominate passing, possession and tackling more so than if he were in the Spurs midfield - would he even be a guaranteed starter?

I share your frustration and would love for us to address our weaknesses, but one has to believe that Mitchell, his staff, Baldini, Pochettino and his coaches have a better idea of which players would add significantly to our team.

Oh, and the other teams don't have a new stadium to save for.

 

[Stoof]

I know what you are getting at, but here is where the logic is flawed.

The football is poor and so is the squad.

If Stoke and Crystal Palace can afford to strengthen, then so can we.

Clasie who went to Southampton would have improved our starting 11 instantly with little risk. So would Cabaye.

Stoke picked up Affellay for FREE.

I just feel we are poorly handled upstairs compared to other clubs. Always playing catch up.

Are you fucking kidding me? You saw we sold Paulinho for actual money?

Levy's bought another 5 years off me for that.

All that you can actually take from this is that the manager didn't fancy those players. He has the final say on them, we've not been particularly linked with them.

There's a reason they are going to Crystal Palace and Stoke.

 

[mpickard2087]

I know what you are getting at, but here is where the logic is flawed.

The football is poor and so is the squad.

If Stoke and Crystal Palace can afford to strengthen, then so can we.

Clasie who went to Southampton would have improved our starting 11 instantly with little risk. So would Cabaye.

Stoke picked up Affellay for FREE.

I just feel we are poorly handled upstairs compared to other clubs. Always playing catch up.

Clasie by all accounts wanted to link up with Koeman again.

Cabaye does have pedigree in this league. But hasn't played regularly for ages and it was big money (fee/wages) for his age. That other clubs who were tenuously linked with him (us, Arsenal etc) didn't really even sniff around I think tells its own story.

Afellay is a player I like.......................d about four seasons ago. Since then he's been injured, crap, or playing in a weak league.

It's often easier for lower PL clubs to take a punt on these players, because it isn't that hard for players to reach that clubs level. Yes we have been guilty of buying too much squad filler, but we ideally now want someone to improve our first team in certain areas, and that's another step up altogether. What another club might consider acceptable others higher up the league wouldn't.

 

[dudu]

I know what you are getting at, but here is where the logic is flawed.

The football is poor and so is the squad.

If Stoke and Crystal Palace can afford to strengthen, then so can we.

Clasie who went to Southampton would have improved our starting 11 instantly with little risk. So would Cabaye.

Stoke picked up Affellay for FREE.

I just feel we are poorly handled upstairs compared to other clubs. Always playing catch up.

Always playing catchup to 4 teams ATM.

All teams bar 2 in the entire country are playing catchup to someone....

We caught up and overtook a number of teams in our recent history and now we are actively, even shrewdly trying to jump to the next level so we can compete financially while remaining competitive with the teams around us.

The teams you mentioned are playing catchup with us, most are and I think we still need to give our a chance before calling them poor.

This squad finished 5 last year and I believe we have bought positively so far - I just don't know what you think is actually happening because I think we are looking in good shape for now and the future.

 

[Bobishism]

Clasie by all accounts wanted to link up with Koeman again.

Ye well that doesn't explain cabaye. Why would he want to work with an unknown manager like pardew?

 

[Monkey boy]

Time for some in this thread to admit they are getting old and are not so enamored with the way football has gone over the past 35 years or so. That is all the thread is about, Spurs and football has changed and like most things in life it is not always to one's taste. I am 62 this year and I'm personally enjoying watching my team 'Spurs evolve very much, especially in these days of the big money clubs like chelsea and city. You cannot view football in isolation from events that happen around it as they change.

If you dont like the product dont buy it! Football 2015 is what it is some dont like as much! Millions no billions love it so you pay your money and makes your choice.

My mate a long time spurs supporter is not so keen on EPL in his dotage, but loves going to watch Bromsgrove play, that's the way to do it!

enjoy! dont suffer and above all COYS

Spot on sir. Unfortunately I hate what football has become so much so that I hardly bother finding a stream these days and just check the final score. A defeat usually meant a good few hours sulking and being a total dick to the family but now I (almost) shrug it off and just move on.

I think it's because of the cash rich clubs who are basically in cheat mode, the constant ramming of the Sky 5 down our throats or the fact that anytime we have a very good player on our hands they get sold to "realise their dream". I'm basically sick of it, I can't believe it's taken the best part of 4 decades for me to realise that it's more or less pointless nowadays to even dream of winning the league and we are there to make up the numbers.

Unfortunately for some bizarre reason I can't stay away from this site??!!!!

 

[SteveH]

Ye well that doesn't explain cabaye. Why would he want to work with an unknown manager like pardew?

He may remember Pardew from Newcastle?

 

[SteveH]

Spot on sir. Unfortunately I hate what football has become so much so that I hardly bother finding a stream these days and just check the final score. A defeat usually meant a good few hours sulking and being a total dick to the family but now I (almost) shrug it off and just move on.

I think it's because of the cash rich clubs who are basically in cheat mode, the constant ramming of the Sky 5 down our throats or the fact that anytime we have a very good player on our hands they get sold to "realise their dream". I'm basically sick of it, I can't believe it's taken the best part of 4 decades for me to realise that it's more or less pointless nowadays to even dream of winning the league and we are there to make up the numbers.

Unfortunately for some bizarre reason I can't stay away from this site??!!!!

I had a bad experience many years ago. The young lad who lived with his parents in the flat above us, lost the plot one day and scared his Mum so much she had to seek refuge in our flat. The 16 yo tried to punche her and wrecked his bedroom then chased her out of their home. All because his football team lost! I was about 12ish I think, wow that was an eye opener for me with sport and I've never forgotten it!

Lesson learnt and maybe why I try not to let it get to me too much!

Also why I don't like Chelsea fans, That was 50 years or so ago!


I still watch loads of football kick very ball and am not best pleased when Spurs don't play well, but I will never let it spill over and effect my family!

 

[worcestersauce]

Remember until 05 in the prem we never finished in the top six or the bottom six that is mid table mediocrity, actually there was some fun when it looked like we would get relegated bur not much.
From 05 we have been on a roller coaster climbing up the table in jumps until now we are at a steady point where only small step by step improvements are possible and where we are treated like a top side by lower teams mass defending, of course its not the same.
it's not the same plus the pressure at the top is greater now with four or five clubs with greater financial strength than us, what that means is that we have to build steadily, unfortunately that ain't going to be a thrill a minute. As for stoke I figure its early August and 20% of the country is on holiday which must go for Spurs fans too no wonder Stoke won't fill the ground.

 

[Monkey boy]

I had a bad experience many years ago. The young lad who lived with his parents in the flat above us, lost the plot one day and scared his Mum so much she had to seek refuge in our flat. The 16 yo tried to punche her and wrecked his bedroom then chased her out of their home. All because his football team lost! I was about 12ish I think, wow that was an eye opener for me with sport and I've never forgotten it!

Lesson learnt and maybe why I try not to let it get to me too much!

Also why I don't like Chelsea fans, That was 50 years or so ago!


I still watch loads of football kick very ball and am not best pleased when Spurs don't play well, but I will never let it spill over and effect my family!

fucking hell, when I said I was a bit of a dick to the family after a defeat, I didn't mean I used to go around punching my mum! I just used to be a grumpy twat!

 

[SteveH]

fucking hell, when I said I was a bit of a dick to the family after a defeat, I didn't mean I used to go around punching my mum! I just used to be a grumpy twat!

no I didn't think that...
Just my story of not letting sport rule - my two grandchildren 6 and 8 both boys Brentford supporters are going to be bad tonight and their poor father is at Griffin park tonight.....wont be a happy bunnie

 

[SamR]

I just hope @mikeeegreen hasn't wanked himself into a coma reading the OP.

 

[Bobishism]

He may remember Pardew from Newcastle?

... lol

 

[Main Man]

I fell asleep during one of our games last season.

I can't relate to this current team whatsoever. People talk about the youth infiltrating our team, but I am not sure any of them give an actual fuck about Spurs.

We are just a means to an end. Looking back, we probably always have been. And unfortunately I do not see it changing any time soon.

Redknapp had his faults, but at least he gave us something to fucking give a shit about. Bale and his supporting cast at least provided some hope, even if misguided.

But now... ? We are a Harry Kane transfer away from utter sterility.

Somebody wake me up when it's all over.