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loaderspurs

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The solace I am taking from the current situation is that I feel (no justification for this whatsoever) that Poch is doing with KWP (and TOB) what he did with Winks a couple of seasons ago. If you'll recall we all were saying Winks was stagnating as he was training with the first team, travelling to games but was playing little to no football in terms of matches. No U23 involvement and no appearances off the bench.

As it turns out the process has worked really well, as when Poch did send him on he had full confidence in him, and it didn't matter who we were playing, if Poch felt we needed his attributes he went on, it wasn't just against easy teams or coming on at 3-0. Last year he obviously had a lot of involvement off the bench, and this year it is clear that he is a key member of the first team squad.

I think (hope) that this is what is being done with KWP and TOB atm, heavy first team involvement in terms of training and travelling, with a view to sub appearances and a few starts next season. I actually think we would have seen a lot more of Onomah this season had he stayed, as he'd just come off the season of integration and this year was his time to get some more game time.

I don't know, am i just being naively hopeful?
 

Blake Griffin

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The solace I am taking from the current situation is that I feel (no justification for this whatsoever) that Poch is doing with KWP (and TOB) what he did with Winks a couple of seasons ago. If you'll recall we all were saying Winks was stagnating as he was training with the first team, travelling to games but was playing little to no football in terms of matches. No U23 involvement and no appearances off the bench.

As it turns out the process has worked really well, as when Poch did send him on he had full confidence in him, and it didn't matter who we were playing, if Poch felt we needed his attributes he went on, it wasn't just against easy teams or coming on at 3-0. Last year he obviously had a lot of involvement off the bench, and this year it is clear that he is a key member of the first team squad.

I think (hope) that this is what is being done with KWP and TOB atm, heavy first team involvement in terms of training and travelling, with a view to sub appearances and a few starts next season. I actually think we would have seen a lot more of Onomah this season had he stayed, as he'd just come off the season of integration and this year was his time to get some more game time.

I don't know, am i just being naively hopeful?

the problem with kwp though is that he needs one of the right backs to go and as it stands it's difficult to imagine trippier or aurier not being here next season at least.
 

coys200

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Is super hotspur.com someone on here? Very good match reviews. This is on Lloyd- bennet from 4-1 win over Villa. Think we might have found another one.

My man of the match: I feel really bad not giving it to the hat-trick hero Rodel Richards who was absolutely phenomenal out wide. But I’m going to award it to the school boy J’neil Lloyd-Bennett, the wide man who I first saw play at the under 16 game in Cambridge a couple of months back, appears to be making rapid progress since joining our Academy from QPR. This was his third consecutive under 18 game in a row, and I’m sure it will have been his best. This kids got incredible ability, he had Aston Villa defenders on the floor during todays game, they just couldn’t cope with his speed, power and decision making especially in the final third. He took his goal so well, but it was his eagerness to just run at defenders with sublime pieces of skill (think Zaha) he also delivers a mean cross. I know it’s only the second time that I’ve seen him live but I really like how he plays. Something I liked in particular was the way he played with a smile on his face, he appeared to be loving the game, buoyant and determined throughout the 90 minutes.
 

Hercules

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Is super hotspur.com someone on here? Very good match reviews. This is on Lloyd- bennet from 4-1 win over Villa. Think we might have found another one.

My man of the match: I feel really bad not giving it to the hat-trick hero Rodel Richards who was absolutely phenomenal out wide. But I’m going to award it to the school boy J’neil Lloyd-Bennett, the wide man who I first saw play at the under 16 game in Cambridge a couple of months back, appears to be making rapid progress since joining our Academy from QPR. This was his third consecutive under 18 game in a row, and I’m sure it will have been his best. This kids got incredible ability, he had Aston Villa defenders on the floor during todays game, they just couldn’t cope with his speed, power and decision making especially in the final third. He took his goal so well, but it was his eagerness to just run at defenders with sublime pieces of skill (think Zaha) he also delivers a mean cross. I know it’s only the second time that I’ve seen him live but I really like how he plays. Something I liked in particular was the way he played with a smile on his face, he appeared to be loving the game, buoyant and determined throughout the 90 minutes.

Been hearing a lot about JLB. You guys dona great job. Keep it up!
 

Bus-Conductor

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I'm not really entitled to post on this thread on the basis of my lack of in-depth knowledge of the youth scene at Spurs, but a point I'd like to make in Poch's defence: he doesn't over-face young players.

In other words, he doesn't throw them in too young or too callow. He doesn't throw them in for the sake of it. He doesn't throw them in to bring up the numbers of academy graduates who've played for the first team (remember Van Gaal in his final season at Man U?) or to have another notch on the bedpost after his successes at Southampton. Winks has been quietly sensational because Poch waited until he was good and ready, mentally and physically and tactically. He waited until Winks was a man, and now he's an England international.

I take the point made about KWP in particular and I'd be horrified if this time next year he hasn't had a lot more experience under his belt. But this I do expect: if and when KWP does become a regular member of the match-day 14, it won't take him very long after that to win an England cap. Because a template has been created and Poch will not rush the process.

A potentially long and fruitful Spurs career starting at the age of 21 or 22, or a few appearances at 18/19 followed in due course by a move to Fulham? I know which I'd prefer for our youngsters.


Nobody wants academy players thrown in for the sake of it. Nobody wants academy players in there to boost some kind of quota.

Winks was pretty damn good when he was played early part of last season (you may remember him playing well and scoring the winner against West Ham and then playing 90 minutes in a win against Burnley in Dec) then didn't get another PL start for 4 months. And the early part of this season we were watching us struggle for tempo and vim against teams like Burnley with plodders like Dembele and Dier out there while Winks fidgeted on the bench.

One man's "Winks has been quietly sensational because Poch didn't play him" is another mans "we could have been having 4 extra months last season and a few more games this season of quiet and sensational".

KWP is already a regular member of our match day bench. I will be amazed if he gets much first team starts this year because we went and bought a 25m international who's only 3 years older and are probably paying him about 1000% more than we ae paying KWP.
 
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