The Summer 2024 scouting thread

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Oh no not Gimenez, hope he goes to scum and not us.

PL flop written all over him

 

[1882andallthat]

I’m hoping Leeds don’t get promoted and if they don’t I hope we push for Crysensio Summerville and use Joe Rodon to push the deal through.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Centre forward has to be priority number 1 this summer. Would rather go big for as sure fire thing as you can get than a punt at 40m that could cost us more in the long run. It’s by far the biggest issue in the final third, much more than wide players. There’s very little hold up, link up and combination play and no presence in the box either when it does go wide. we can afford to go slightly under the radar on some positions but let’s not try to be too clever in the forward signing

 

[PhezTHFC]

Wow you’re right? Had a fancy seat it seems as well. Like @rossdapep said a few months back and considering our links to him dating back to last summer I have always had this feeling we would go for him.
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Is he actually any better than Richy? Considering Richy has done it in the prem.

I hope am wrong but the dutch league is such a poor league RARELY do strikers succeed here

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Is he actually any better than Richy? Considering Richy has done it in the prem.

I hope am wrong but the dutch league is such a poor league RARELY do strikers succeed here

I don’t get as bothered as a lot do by the league a player is coming from.

But I’ll say right now Richarlison is better than Gimenez.

I would rather keep him than sign Gimenez and I don’t think Richarlison is good enough. Should tell you everything really.

 

[PhezTHFC]

I don’t get as bothered as a lot do by the league a player is coming from.

But I’ll say right now Richarlison is better than Gimenez.

I would rather keep him than sign Gimenez and I don’t think Richarlison is good enough. Should tell you everything really.

Am very much on the same trail of thought with all that mate tbf

 

[GutBucket]

Is he actually any better than Richy? Considering Richy has done it in the prem.

I hope am wrong but the dutch league is such a poor league RARELY do strikers succeed here

Van Nisterloy, Van Persie, Suarez were amazing here. Plenty of flops obviously but we don't have too many of those since Paratici joined. Liverpool signed Premiership proven Benteke and Carroll and they were worse than many flops from Eredivisie. There's always a risk. Richarlison is injury prone so we would need another one in any case. I don't know anything about Gimenez other than his stats and I'm not sure if he is the one, but I don't mind the league he is coming from. Anyone will look shit after getting used to Kane anyway.

 

[yellowbean]

Caught a couple of Feyenoord european games this year, partly because they were the early game and partly to see how Slot fared against better competition to see if we had dodged a bullet or missed the boat there.
The little i saw Jimenez is more Jansen than Suarez, way too slow for the PL and really hope Slot takes him to Liverpool.

 

[Viking78]

Gimenez perhaps has the traits that Ange is looking for. His main weapon is his movement either to create chances for himself or others. He's good in the air and can score. He'd be great for the crosses into the box.

 

[Joely]

The little i saw Jimenez is more Jansen than Suarez, way too slow for the PL and really hope Slot takes him to Liverpool.

Granted, not watched loads of him but get the same vibe from the bits I have seen of him. Could be wrong but not particularly convinced he'll prosper with less time on the ball and space in the EPL.

 

[Albertbarich]

Apparently Geertruida was also there so maybe just an agent using it as a treat for his clients.

(Like I know who Geertruida is!)

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Is he actually any better than Richy? Considering Richy has done it in the prem.

I hope am wrong but the dutch league is such a poor league RARELY do strikers succeed here

Since last summer my opinion has been very much we would go for one of Gimenez or David so I would not be at all be surprised if this is what happens. It seems like we have been tracking him since last season. His age and the fact he is proficient in an incredibly similar tactic to ours plus he has solid stats on the whole and will likely be significantly lower price wise then some of the others. Realistically I think we will be looking in the €40 mil price range for him which is less then pretty much every forward I can think of bar David given his contract running out next summer. In regards to style of play Gimenez is exactly the type of striker I would expect us to look for, a fox in the box who's best skill by far is his movement especially in opposition area where he is very good at finding pockets of space which is highlighted by his average 7.91 touches in the opp box per 90 which puts him in the 88th percentile of strikers. Off the ball he also is comfortable being the start of the press but will drop back into the midfield to help if the ball isn't won in the first pressing phase. Essentially on paper I can 100% understand why we would be looking at him.

In reality tho I have serious doubts about him, he only has 4 goals and 3 assist in all comps this calendar year (19 games). In general i have never been particularly impressed with his shooting technique and his ball control/first touch can be very erratic. He has never looked to me as a clinical finisher and I think he benefits greatly from the extremely poor level of defending within the Eredivisie. Essentially I think it would be a big gamble and one that could well turn out to be a disaster. It would be wrong to say he doesn't have certain parts of his game that are good, like I said his movement in the final third really is excellent for a player his age and physically he would obviously suit the PL. But whilst he obviously suits the system he plays in, and thus would probably suit ours, I think he would need a hell of a lot of refining to get to a level we would need and i'm not convinced he will ever get there. That being said he is young and has some interesting attributes plus if we get him I'm assuming its because we like his raw ability and believe we can mould him into a top class striker. If we do manage to improve certain areas of his game he could become a very good striker due to his off the ball movement. It's a big IF tho IMO but im not a professional coach. I'm not particularly sure he will offer much more then Richy bar being fitter, certainly in the short term at least. Personally I would much prefer Sesko and I think we should 100% be targeting him but as i've said before if we are concerned about money and willing to take a chance on a raw player i would actually prefer us to sing 18 year old Semih Kılıçsoy who I think has significantly more potential then Gimenez IMO.

 

[luRRka]

Lutsharel Geertruida was also there, shown on his instagram. Don't know anything about him other than he can play cb, rb and dm

Edit - he obviously may have just been going to watch football

 

[rabbikeane]

Lutsharel Geertruida was also there, shown on his instagram. Don't know anything about him other than he can play cb, rb and dm

Edit - he obviously may have just been going to watch football

Probably just took the opportunity since he was in London, was at the Liverpool game the day before, thought to follow his manager.

 

[jpascavitz]

Geertruida is actually a name I'm surprised hasn't been linked to us and I think would be an amazing addition to the squad as someone that can cover across multiple positions. He's played as a 6, inverted FB at LB/RB, and CB. Has a decent amount of goal involvements as well for his position. Wouldn't be surprised to see him follow Slot to Liverpool.

When looking at our defense, I know we probably want a LCB/LB but if there's no clear option then you could do a lot worse than Geertruida since he could easily cover or challenge for Porro/Udogies position as well as provide cover at CB or CDM.

 

[McFlash]

i would actually prefer us to sing 18 year old Semih Kılıçsoy

You'll never sing that.

Seriously though, I've never really watched Giminez but your post has just answered every question I was about to ask, so cheers.

It's going to be an interesting summer, that's for sure.
I would be at all surprised to see us pull a couple of unknown* names out of our arse.


*Unknown to most of us plebs, so we'll be relying more on the likes of yourself and @Nick-TopSpursMan to keep us in the knowledge.

 

[luRRka]

You'll never sing that.

Seriously though, I've never really watched Giminez but your post has just answered every question I was about to ask, so cheers.

It's going to be an interesting summer, that's for sure.
I would be at all surprised to see us pull a couple of unknown* names out of our arse.


*Unknown to most of us plebs, so we'll be relying more on the likes of yourself and @Nick-TopSpursMan to keep us in the knowledge.

Then we can pretend we know all about them and get annoyed when they don't sign

 

[McFlash]

Then we can pretend we know all about them and get annoyed when they don't sign

Yep, then I can recommend them to my son on FIFA and carry on the charade that I know what the fuck I'm talking about!




I'm actually very honest to my son and even though he's not on here, he knows the name @Ghost Hardware .

 

[Ghost Hardware]

@Nick-TopSpursMan for the last few months i've been trying to figure out the right balance of targets we should look at. There are actually a lot of options in our price range but I feel who we get and for how much will have a knock on effect to who else we get. With that in mind I think we need to be savvy with our money and look for the most efficient targets even if they might not be as star studded as one might like.

Im starting to think we should pass on Werner (unless we sell Solomon) and go for Gudmundsson AND Doué (you where 100% right to mention him). I think the fact that both are very comfortable across both wings and as a 10 we would essentially have two very high quality versatile technical attackers one of which having more experience and the other younger with huge potential. The fact both can play 10 as well would give us far more options across the entire front line as well as generally giving the team a much needed creative boost. I mean Doué has even played as a deep lying playmaker before but I would not personally play him there.

Now I know Beana and Williams both look excellent talents and i'd be more then happy to get ether of them but realistically I think we could probably swing both Albert and Doué given both are valued around €40 mil and we could use Spence in the Albert deal brining his price down where as I only really see us getting one of Baena or Nico. I know Nico has a release clause but the upfront hit of €50 mil would probably have more of a knock on effect then a 40 mil deal paid in instalments. Chiesa would probably also be in the €40 mil range (if he doesn't renew) or maybe even lower and i'd be very happy with him but realistically I think the club will be put off by his injuries, the same with Neto who was near the top of my list for months. Id also certainly much rather have Albert and Doué then Eze who would be close to the same total amount most likely, once you factor in Spence.

I also think on top of that we could consider one of Roger or Bardghji, both are left footed which is something we need, both would be able to count as HG eventually and both have contracts running out next summer so shouldn't be expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if both were around the €10-15 mil range given their limited play time and contract situation. I do think both are very raw and im not sure how much they would be able to contribute short term but as i've said previously we need to think about long term planning as well and i think both look very exciting. Obviously Estêvão will probably be out of our reach but I agree with @rossdapep that Luis Guilherme would be anther excellent option for this. Only just turned 18 in feb and has bags of potential. The only issue is that he would probably cost more then the aforementioned two as his contract runs until 26 and there would likely be a lot of competition. Jovan Živković at Rapid would be another one i'd be looking in detail at but he is by far the least developed of those, he's only 17, looks a very exciting young talent with huge potential tho. 9 goals in 16 games in the B league (he's just starting to get mins for a senior team) and is incredibly good with the ball at his feet. (I'd like us to look at Sattlberger at Rapid as well for the DM role whilst we are at it). In general I just really really think we need another left footed wide player that ideally can be HG long term.

Ultimately this would leave us next season with something like this (just using Bardghji as an example, can be any from the above paragraph)

CF - new CF, Son, Albert, Veliz (needs loan)
LW - Son, Albert, Doué, Solomon, Johsnon, Moore(?)
RW - Johnson, Albert, Doué, Kulu, Bardghji, Son
AM - Maddison, Albert, Doué, Kulu, Donley (?), Moore (?)

Yes that is 4 transfer on top of a DM, LCB and back up GK which seems a lot but realistically if we buy Werner we will be looking at three minimum for the front line anyway (Werner, new CF, new WF/10). And if 4 is too many then we can pass on the young Roger/Bardghij type signing. If money where an issue tho then i'd say go for Dani Rodríguez on a free, he is also left footed and incredibly versatile with huge potential. The only issue is his 19th birthday is in early August so im not sure he would count as HG eventually. If he would then I'd say he would be just as good at target as the previous ones mentioned even if he is lacking top tear football experience.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

You'll never sing that.

Seriously though, I've never really watched Giminez but your post has just answered every question I was about to ask, so cheers.

It's going to be an interesting summer, that's for sure.
I would be at all surprised to see us pull a couple of unknown* names out of our arse.


*Unknown to most of us plebs, so we'll be relying more on the likes of yourself and @Nick-TopSpursMan to keep us in the knowledge.

Here, watch the video bellow. The kid has insane technical ability for a CF to the point he's been played wide left a number of times. He has 10 league goals in 20 games at only 18. He can play with ether foot and shoot from distance. He also has the physical strength of someone 5/6 years his senior. Not only that he has creative vision, he has played as an AM in the past, and he tracks back and does the dirty work. The kid is going to be a mega star IMO and nobody is really talking about him outside of Turkey. Not sure why.