The Summer Clear Out

[Mouse!]

Friedel - Will be phased out in the second half of next season with Archer playing ahead of him in some games. The right way to go about it IMO. Likely to take on a player/coach role.

Naughton - I just don't see raw potential in him, unlike Walker. He's in his mid-twenties now and unlikely to suddenly demonstrate further ability. Should be sold, with Smith taking his place as back-up to Walker.

BAE - His card is marked. Decent fellow but not enough character to drag himself out of difficult situations. Rose will he given the chance to prove himself, with Vertonghen and Fryers providing competition/back-up.

Gallas - Has shown his age in the second half of the season. With his contract coming to an end it's logical that he moves on/retires. With Kaboul fit again we will have two solid centre halves and two exceptional ones.

Parker - Has shown enough this year to suggest he has one more in him, as an experienced head to come on and help us see out vital games. Should be coached to camp in front of the back four when he can no longer get around the pitch as easily.

Huddlestone - This is a tough one. I've always had a soft spot for Huddlestone, but the Premier League and AVB's pressing style simply don't suit him. Ideally suited to the Serie A, should give it a shot there. Keeping him will only hinder the progress of players like Carroll.

Bentley - Time to leave for good.

Livermore - One season on loan in the PL. Make or break.

Dempsey - Less talented than some of our youngsters, hindering their progress. Move him on. Falque gets his place.

Defoe - A useful substitute to have, as long as that's all he is, and he is happy with that. If Ade stays, could be moved on.

Adebayor - If a Russian/Chinese club is prepared to pay his wages, we should try and move him on. Going to be hard to get rid of. Unlikely to put the effort in from the subs bench and not good enough to be first-choice.

Khumalo - Buying him always felt like a favour to someone. We gave him a way in to Europe but he'll never be good enough for us. Time to move him on.

Gomes - Get what we can, fond memories but Lloris has shown us what we've missed all these years.

There's between 20 and 30 million to be recouped there, and a good number of players we can effectively replace with youth products.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Out...Benny/Huddlestone/Adebayor..

IN....Luke Shaw/James Mcarthy/Benteke..

 

[Spursidol]

You have to know all you need to do to do it piecemeal so it's essential to have the goal in mind and then the steps to get there. It's the basic way of building anything in life.

Anybody can say that.

However the adverse comments from many good posters who have proved themselvres knowledgeable in the past should tell you that your analysis seems to be based upon a lack of knowledge of a number of players, and consequently your conclusions contain flaws.

 

[RussJames]

Friedel - Will be phased out in the second half of next season with Archer playing ahead of him in some games. The right way to go about it IMO. Likely to take on a player/coach role.

Naughton - I just don't see raw potential in him, unlike Walker. He's in his mid-twenties now and unlikely to suddenly demonstrate further ability. Should be sold, with Smith taking his place as back-up to Walker.

BAE - His card is marked. Decent fellow but not enough character to drag himself out of difficult situations. Rose will he given the chance to prove himself, with Vertonghen and Fryers providing competition/back-up.

Gallas - Has shown his age in the second half of the season. With his contract coming to an end it's logical that he moves on/retires. With Kaboul fit again we will have two solid centre halves and two exceptional ones.

Parker - Has shown enough this year to suggest he has one more in him, as an experienced head to come on and help us see out vital games. Should be coached to camp in front of the back four when he can no longer get around the pitch as easily.

Huddlestone - This is a tough one. I've always had a soft spot for Huddlestone, but the Premier League and AVB's pressing style simply don't suit him. Ideally suited to the Serie A, should give it a shot there. Keeping him will only hinder the progress of players like Carroll.

Bentley - Time to leave for good.

Livermore - One season on loan in the PL. Make or break.

Dempsey - Less talented than some of our youngsters, hindering their progress. Move him on. Falque gets his place.

Defoe - A useful substitute to have, as long as that's all he is, and he is happy with that. If Ade stays, could be moved on.

Adebayor - If a Russian/Chinese club is prepared to pay his wages, we should try and move him on. Going to be hard to get rid of. Unlikely to put the effort in from the subs bench and not good enough to be first-choice.

Khumalo - Buying him always felt like a favour to someone. We gave him a way in to Europe but he'll never be good enough for us. Time to move him on.

Gomes - Get what we can, fond memories but Lloris has shown us what we've missed all these years.

There's between 20 and 30 million to be recouped there, and a good number of players we can effectively replace with youth products.

I came to this thread intending to just run through a quick list of our players that I thought would be moving on this summer, but I'd just be echoing what you've already mentioned. Spot on imo...

And I feel the same way about Hudds. I've always been a fan of his, but his languid style and preference for the long ball just don't blend well with the way AVB is looking to run things. I do hope he stays in England though, I don't get around to watching much Serie A matches and would hate to miss those effortless 25 yd thunderbolts of his.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Any proposed clear out will be dependent on other clubs making an acceptable offer that is agreeable by both club and player.. This is will probably mean it will be more of a slow drip, than a mass flow through the exit door.

 

[YiddoBirdy]

Naughton, Khumalo, Gallas, Bentley, Livermore, Huddlestone, Defoe, Adebayor, Dempsey, Falque,

He has been impressive on his loan and has been good in the europa league. We should at least give him another season or two.

 

[panoma]

For me its time to give a few of our youngsters more game time. Not only to develop hem, but also saving funds on a few positions so we can spend where its mostly needed.

squad for next season:

Gk: Lloris - Friedel
Rb: Walker - Smith (Kaboul as third choice)
Lb: Rose - Fryers (Vertonghen third choice)
CB: Kaboul + Verts / Daws - Caulker
CM: Sandro+Dembele / Carroll - Parker/Livermore (Bentaleb)
RW: Lennon - Townsend - (Ceballos)
LW: New signing - Bale- (Ceballos)
AM: Bale - Sig - Holtby
Striker: New signings - Ade (since we arent likely to sell both our senior strikers)

-So sell BAE, Hudd, Naughton, Dempsey and JD while letting Bentley and Gallas leave.
-Obviously players like Holtby and Sig are capable of filling other spots to, but id rather we get in a real left winger and a top striker instead of playing ppl out of their best positions.

So our buy list should be a player like Willian/PEA and atleast one top striker like Higuain/Osvaldo, and hope Levy realize this to instead of getting 4-5 "bargains" across the field. We must get in that top striker and inside forward!

 

[RuskyM]

Gallas is out of contract and he won't get a new one. So that's a big chunk off the wage bill already.

Then there's the likes of Bentley, Gomes, Khumalo and Falque who we've been trying to ship off for years but never have been successful with, hopefully we will this time. All nice lads but there's no space for them. If we get a combined £10m for these it'll be a miracle, although with Gomes impressing in Germany maybe he'll cover a fair bit.

Then there's the backups/people who if we can improve on we should sell, that'd be Naughton, Dempsey, Huddlestone, Parker, Friedel, Livermore (although our English contingent would be lacking). £20m here'd be welcome.

And finally the players that if we get a good enough offer for we should accept - Benny, Defoe, Dawson. Assume everyone else I haven't mentioned is needed.

 

[steventhfc]

Gallas is out of contract and he won't get a new one. So that's a big chunk off the wage bill already.

Then there's the likes of Bentley, Gomes, Khumalo and Falque who we've been trying to ship off for years but never have been successful with, hopefully we will this time. All nice lads but there's no space for them. If we get a combined £10m for these it'll be a miracle, although with Gomes impressing in Germany maybe he'll cover a fair bit.

Then there's the backups/people who if we can improve on we should sell, that'd be Naughton, Dempsey, Huddlestone, Parker, Friedel, Livermore (although our English contingent would be lacking). £20m here'd be welcome.

And finally the players that if we get a good enough offer for we should accept - Benny, Defoe, Dawson. Assume everyone else I haven't mentioned is needed.

Gomes broke his hand mate and Hoffeinheim look screwed so I wouldn't count on that.

 

[Shea]

Am I right in thinking Gomes, Gallas and Bentley will all leave the club due to their contracts expiring?

That goes a long way to clearing our deadwood without the need for Levy to negotiate - which probably spends the process up by about 3 transfer windows

Parker and Defoe are difficult decisions and will depend on who offers what for them, both players in their 30s and both still hold decent value to a promoted side or a traditional relegation fighter. I can see Levy wanting to cash in if decent offers are on the table for the simple fact offers won't be coming in for either for many more windows

Huddlestone I actually thought looked pretty good when he came on- although I was at the game and have still not watched any media coverage so I dunno if he didn't look as impressive on tv. For me it at least raised questions as to what should be done with him where as before I would have certainly said sell.

I get that he's of an age where if he's not a first teamer he's blocking the youngsters but he's not been given a chance under AVB yet really and maybe he's worth that at least? again I suppose it would depend on who bids what for him.

If we bring another CB in I could see Dawson going, not a terrible player but I see AVB's game requiring more pace from his CB's and Verts will be no.1, the new signing and Kaboul would fight to be no.2/3 respectively and Caulker would be the young back up- how many CB's can you keep on your books and keep happy? although if Daws is happy to stick around and fight as he did this year I think he should be afforded that again.

BAE may be on his way but personally I'd want someone other than Rose with VErts being forced there as cover to replace him.

Adebayor will stay I am sure and while we need to be selling Dempsey I am still not sure we'll be able

I really hope Bale stays and I think he will, money won't replace him and this team is growing - losing him would set us back too far to recover any time soon.

 

[Lufti]

he isnt even that good positionally.

You don't get the amount of blocks and interceptions as he does without being pretty decent positionally..

 

[faze_coys]

You don't get the amount of blocks and interceptions as he does without being pretty decent positionally..

erm, he just about makes the top 50 in the prem for interceptions (sandro has the 2nd best interception stats in the league in comparison)

he also has blocked 0.1 shots a game this season.

so yeah.

 

[Lufti]

1) erm, he just about makes the top 50 in the prem for interceptions (sandro has the 2nd best interception stats in the league in comparison)

2) he also has blocked 0.1 shots a game this season.

so yeah.

1) Yeah, of course he barely makes the top 50, he's only played about half the season, if that. And yeah, Sandro is better, I didn't say he wasn't.

2) And that's this season, when there's never really been that many shots against us. Except for the game against Man Utd away, I can't really recall too many games when we had our backs to the wall and the other was taking shots for fun.

3) Also, it's worth baring in mind that stats aren't always accurate as they seem to be different from pretty much every source that provides them.

4) Lastly, you might want to avoid taking the tone of a 12 year old 'know-it-all' in future comments, it's pretty annoying.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

erm, he just about makes the top 50 in the prem for interceptions (sandro has the 2nd best interception stats in the league in comparison)

he also has blocked 0.1 shots a game this season.

so yeah.

I agree, it is a complete nonsense use of stats.

 

[pablo73]

Gallas is out of contract and he won't get a new one. So that's a big chunk off the wage bill already.

Then there's the likes of Bentley, Gomes, Khumalo and Falque who we've been trying to ship off for years but never have been successful with, hopefully we will this time. All nice lads but there's no space for them. If we get a combined £10m for these it'll be a miracle, although with Gomes impressing in Germany maybe he'll cover a fair bit.

Then there's the backups/people who if we can improve on we should sell, that'd be Naughton, Dempsey, Huddlestone, Parker, Friedel, Livermore (although our English contingent would be lacking). £20m here'd be welcome.

And finally the players that if we get a good enough offer for we should accept - Benny, Defoe, Dawson. Assume everyone else I haven't mentioned is needed.

we only bought him last year....

 

[$hoguN]

This summer I think we will shed Gomes, Naughton, Gallas, Assou-Ekotto, Livermore, Bentley, Dempsey and Defoe. I would expect that Huddlestone and Parker will be available for the right price.

I also think we will promote Smith, Fryers and Townsend into greater squad roles.

 

[eddiebailey]

To be honest I think Rose and Townsend will be the only promotions, probably playing around as many games as Caulker this year. AVB is not going to promote anyone who is not already Premiership proven. If Livermore and Carroll are not loaned out we might see an incremental increase in his game time. Others might play in the early rounds of the domestic cups or get to warm the bench occasionally, but their hope of real advancement lies in a Premiership loan (and hopefully seeing more action than Kane at Norwich or Dawkins at Villa.)

 

[Lufti]

To be honest I think Rose and Townsend will be the only promotions, probably playing around as many games as Caulker this year. AVB is not going to promote anyone who is not already Premiership proven. If Livermore and Carroll are not loaned out we might see an incremental increase in his game time. Others might play in the early rounds of the domestic cups or get to warm the bench occasionally, but their hope of real advancement lies in a Premiership loan (and hopefully seeing more action than Kane at Norwich or Dawkins at Villa.)

Also think Ceballos should get a loan out IF he's not going to get a game here. I would have thought Sunday's game would have been his best chance for at least a few minutes off the bench but it wasn't to be. Thinking maybe a 6 month loan, then he can come back if the loan has been going well?

 

[stemark44]

To be honest nicdic they haven't changed that much. My opinion of him wasn't that he was a technically poor player or anything, just that he had failed to live up to any hype and was being hilariously 'over-championed' on here by some.

My opinion is that he can strike a football nicely, he takes a very good corner.

He is though, as slow as the Titanic, he has this weird running style which makes it looks like he's working really hard but in reality he's very huff and puff.

He had a couple of games in a row where he had a bit of form, but he's had far too many poor games where he's looked like a flimsy whimsy.

I am nonplussed whether we keep him or not, I just get a shiver when I think we could have got £12m for him from Reading in January if the rumors are true.

Holy shit,I knew they made a few offers for him but if it was anywhere even close to £12m.........why is he still here?

 

[CJMurray]

Holy shit,I knew they made a few offers for him but if it was anywhere even close to £12m.........why is he still here?

Because it was a deadline day offer and there would be no time to replace him. Glad we kept him. He could be worth more than £12m in a few years.