The THFC Women's Team Thread

[Trix]

Yes I did see that .. but this also makes me mad ! ... she is thinking of taking the club's one year option ... Not the club want to make her a better offer. She is by far our best player and loyal - so give her a good deal for another 3 years - not the old one for 1 more.

Not that I know much about this specific case and I don't follow women's football at all really, but an agent I know said it's extremely difficult to get longer than 1 year contracts out of most clubs due to Biology. Even the richest clubs female sections are tightly budgeted, and they can't afford to lose players for a year for reproductive reasonings. Don't want to make this into a big moral or equality debate, but that is pretty much the reason why according to someone who is dealing with these things all the time.

 

[spoddams]

It's actually quite shocking - imagine your dayjob only hiring you for the time you play a game, and if you decide to get pregnant then you time it when you're not employed.
There's an interesting article over at SheKicks about how it's all changing - I think they're finally bringing in maternity pay for women's football as that didn't really exist up to now.

SHE KICKS INVESTIGATES: How are player contracts in women’s football changing? - SheKicks

While we might not be able to discover or disclose exactly what players are earning in top leagues across the world - though we know there is a great disparity even within clubs and leagues, as well as nations - we can look at how the formal relationships with clubs, for some, are rapidly...

shekicks.net

I love job security. I've worked where I am for 23 years, was able to take a year's maternity leave and it's good the women's game is getting there. But honestly, if you were a woman and knew you'd want kids at some point and had a career in football looking likely, would you bother?

Here's a link from Sky anyway - when you see players like Fran Kirby having to take more time out due to her various health issues, it's good there's that security with her career.

Women's football: FA and PFA agree changes to contracts to include maternity and long-term sickness cover

FA and PFA agree three significant policy changes to contracts in womens game relating to maternity provision, injury and illness, and termination of long-term injury; Sunderland Central MP Julie Elliot describes changes as a massive step forward for the status of women footballers.

www.skysports.com

 

[Saoirse]

Not that I know much about this specific case and I don't follow women's football at all really, but an agent I know said it's extremely difficult to get longer than 1 year contracts out of most clubs due to Biology. Even the richest clubs female sections are tightly budgeted, and they can't afford to lose players for a year for reproductive reasonings. Don't want to make this into a big moral or equality debate, but that is pretty much the reason why according to someone who is dealing with these things all the time.

To be totally fair as well, one-year contracts are very much the norm at similar levels of male football in terms of finances (i.e. the top-end of the non-league system). It just doesn't make sense to commit long-term when the downside risk of loss of form, injury etc (even putting pregnancy to one side) is so large, and the prospect/value of selling the player so low. That being said, there's obviously the potential for greater subsidy of the women's game to help it grow further, and that would be no bad thing given its potential.

 

[DelboySpurs]

What has been behind Tottenham Women's success this season?

It has been a breakthrough season for Tottenham Women in the WSL, but what has been behind their success? Sky Sports sat down with Kyah Simon, Molly Bartrip and Shelina Zadorsky to find out the inside story...

www.skysports.com

Great article on Spurs Women - thank you Sky

As for the other posts about contracts - welcome and thank you for the input as there seems to be only 4 of us who try to keep this thread going. I know I go on and somewhat controversional in my thoughts but I only want this team to become one of the top teams in the WSL. Our brand deserves that
Interesting what you say Saoirse about 1 year contracts but then Neville was given a 3 year contract to 2025 - so they are there and Shelina is a far better player an very loyal. We need to build around players like her like Citeh did with Houghton.

 

[DelboySpurs]

It's actually quite shocking - imagine your dayjob only hiring you for the time you play a game, and if you decide to get pregnant then you time it when you're not employed.
There's an interesting article over at SheKicks about how it's all changing - I think they're finally bringing in maternity pay for women's football as that didn't really exist up to now.

SHE KICKS INVESTIGATES: How are player contracts in women’s football changing? - SheKicks

While we might not be able to discover or disclose exactly what players are earning in top leagues across the world - though we know there is a great disparity even within clubs and leagues, as well as nations - we can look at how the formal relationships with clubs, for some, are rapidly...

shekicks.net

I love job security. I've worked where I am for 23 years, was able to take a year's maternity leave and it's good the women's game is getting there. But honestly, if you were a woman and knew you'd want kids at some point and had a career in football looking likely, would you bother?

Here's a link from Sky anyway - when you see players like Fran Kirby having to take more time out due to her various health issues, it's good there's that security with her career.

Women's football: FA and PFA agree changes to contracts to include maternity and long-term sickness cover

FA and PFA agree three significant policy changes to contracts in womens game relating to maternity provision, injury and illness, and termination of long-term injury; Sunderland Central MP Julie Elliot describes changes as a massive step forward for the status of women footballers.

www.skysports.com

really interesting articles - thks spoddams - opens up a whole new world about player survival especially when some cannot even cover their accomodation with their contracted deals

 

[garyhopkins]

Great article on Spurs Women - thank you Sky

As for the other posts about contracts - welcome and thank you for the input as there seems to be only 4 of us who try to keep this thread going. I know I go on and somewhat controversional in my thoughts but I only want this team to become one of the top teams in the WSL. Our brand deserves that
Interesting what you say Saoirse about 1 year contracts but then Neville was given a 3 year contract to 2025 - so they are there and Shelina is a far better player an very loyal. We need to build around players like her like Citeh did with Houghton.

Ashleigh is English, reaching her peak and is probably very settled at the club and in life having two kids with her partner. Shelina is a bit older, played around the world and may have plans to return to North America or something; probably happy to wait and see what happens next year.

 

[DelboySpurs]

Yep - sounds about right Gary and if this the case then even more reason to go get someone of her calibre in and settled before she leaves then. Interesting Summer coming

 

[Ben1]

Shelina's was simply an optional extension, so all this debate about one year or three year deals is pointless. The players with options will extend a year, the players out of contract will sign new longer ones. Hardly rocket science and anti pregnancy.

Other good news, Becky has signed a new contract until 2024.

 

[DelboySpurs]

Ben dont be like that it was a good interesting read about contracts and got fans involved and we need a lively debate on this thread just to keep the bordom down inbetween games for both the men and women.
Anyhow Spencer signing ! Hmm not good for me as you know as I wanted her moved on for better.
Just hope RS doesnt do same with the others in the waiting room - Ayanne Naz Green Morgan Addison as it will be much the same again next season.

 

[Ben1]

Ben dont be like that it was a good interesting read about contracts and got fans involved and we need a lively debate on this thread just to keep the bordom down inbetween games for both the men and women.
Anyhow Spencer signing ! Hmm not good for me as you know as I wanted her moved on for better.
Just hope RS doesnt do same with the others in the waiting room - Ayanne Naz Green Morgan Addison as it will be much the same again next season.

We do, but the player didn't even sign a new deal, it was an extension on the current one. It happens every summer and will happen to up to 8 more of our players. I wanted to clear that up before people are having the same 'debate' over Clemaron, Percival, Korpela, Naz, triggering similar options.

Our mens team also have optional extensions so it isn't a new, complex idea.

I think only Harrop, Green and Williams are not under contract/option for next season now, so at least things are starting to look a little clearer.

 

[spoddams]

really interesting articles - thks spoddams - opens up a whole new world about player survival especially when some cannot even cover their accomodation with their contracted deals

It was only a couple of seasons ago we had Chloe Morgan in goal who is a lawyer as her dayjob. She plays for Palace these days.

Then you see the news in Italy, they're finally going professional - things are definitely moving the right way these days. I have hope.

ANYWAY.. other stuff. Think I saw on Twitter the stats between Becky Spencer and Tinni Korpela, they were both fairly even, same match time played and it was interesting as I hadn't really thought that way. Maybe I'm still in those glory moments from the time we didn't lose to Arsenal and Korpela had a stormer of a game (so much that I thanked her afterwards - I don't do that often, I'm usually out of the ground as quickly as I can before the queues start).

I feel positive about the end of this season. We're doing better than the previous one - and when you take away the older, stronger teams like Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea and the ones who bought their way in there (coughsmanchesterunited) then things are getting better and I can live with fifth - if it ends up that way. I'm hopeful.

It's weird too. When we lose I don't come away from it like I used to with the men's games. Obviously I care (I wouldn't be a season ticket holder otherwise) - but I don't feel gutted, just disappointed. Nothing will beat the buzz after the Arsenal game, so I'm hoping for more of that next season - keep it exciting, keep fighting. Get those players in!

 

[DelboySpurs]

Thks Ben but with extensions I thought the club was in control of the option rather than the player and could move them on if they feel they have not improved the team in the last season - I learn new everyday cheers

and Spoddams .... I only poo poo Spencer becos I think she is too small and plays like Lloris with rash decisions built into the mindset. They are both poor at kicks out and put players under pressure - often late in clearing the goal area when players chasing them down - takes too long in settling the ball before a kick.... then rarely sets up an attack all things a GK should be in control of. Of coarse it may also be the training and they are told to do this and not think themselves.
Gary mentioned the Villa GK some posts back and I had to agree - she was far more composed in goal and would be an upgrade for sure ... but that aint likely to happen now nor another clearout and get better in and move us up a couple of pegs in quality esp now that contracts are being doshed out so early.

We badly need players who can create and score goals - cant win games without scoring and that needs sorting out. The current players have had game time yet they all seem to panic when the white posts come into view and we aint gonna get better if that continues in our game no matter how much training (when is someone gonna admit they just dont have it in their game!) .. worse offenders for this are Ayanne Naz Ubogagu but I did also expected better from Simon and Tang when they joined who are Intl classed strikers especially after losing Alex Morgan but it aint happened yet. Can only hope things change in the last 2 games that we have a chance of bagging points.

Thanks to all who keep this thread alive .. when I joined it was page 21 ... now we are 42 but real shame so many posters have not continued - wonder why?

I was for many years on Spurs Oddy but that became so bad with really offensive remarks from posters and the Admin do nothing about it so I decided to leave (after 14 years) and I found this site and chose to follow the Spurs Women instead.

 

[DelboySpurs]

Interesting team selection for Chelski
Korpela keeps her place
Ale Bartrip Schnaderbeck Zadorsky (as Nev picked up 5 yellows and misses a game)
Cho Clemaron
Ayanne Simon Williams Harrop

Obviously Summanen being rested until 2nd half as she partners Clem very well and a tiger in midfield.

Gary will be happy as Izzy Lane on the Sub's bench - so she must be WSL league registered
Bench Spencer Tang Summanen Green Lane and Addison ..... No Naz thankfully but Ayanne is no better.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Terrible conceding 1 min after equalising

 

[DelboySpurs]

Well that first half was poor by our standards - we were overrun in all areas with zero shots on target and almost 100% Blue possession (embarrasing) until last minute when we managed a great headed goal from a Simon to Harrop cross .. but what do we do just one minute later - throw it all away. We just dont have the skillful players and it shows big time.

Ale was at fault with their first by not even attempting to jump for the cross ball to Kerr and then a massive switch off for their second.

Ayanne ???? well hopefully you can see what I have been saying all season ... simply not good enough and just cannot serve a pass a cross or even to a runner - she may as well be wearing a blue shirt.

The thing that is ruining this game is this constant barrage of chant shouting - for me it may be an age thing but I dont think it is suited to the Women's game especially with young children in the crowd.

 

[DelboySpurs]

Better 2nd half but why take one of our better players off for someone who just aint got it?
Why not try Izzy who has height and speed and take Ayanne off ? - that wuld have made better sense.
Simon although no Kerr was the only one that could put a decent cross in.
Ale was poor today which is so unusual for her but this team is hard and dirty and have a hostile crowd so in reality I was expecting a worse scoreline. 2-1 better than 6-1 ... they had enough chances to have pasted us big time.

Now it all depends now on the mentality of our team when Everton come around before the Scum as we need some points from that game and yet again it is hard to see where our goals are gonna come from. Really feel sorry for Williams as she runs ragged every game and gets zero service.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Not the worst result 2-1 away to Chelsea, we weren't really trying to do much more than contain them but the gulf in class between the two teams is just too vast.

 

[DelboySpurs]

Its all about mentality and fitness now Defchenkoe - we have had 4 losses on the bike and not won a game in 5 - that will be hard to shrug off .... Away to Everton could be another banana skin game before yet another loss when the Scum away games comes around a few days later next week. By the time our last game is played at WHL next weekend - we will so jaded that we could even lose that as well. They did beat us 3-1 in a cup game not that long ago.

 

[Ben1]

Its all about mentality and fitness now Defchenkoe - we have had 4 losses on the bike and not won a game in 5 - that will be hard to shrug off .... Away to Everton could be another banana skin game before yet another loss when the Scum away games comes around a few days later next week. By the time our last game is played at WHL next weekend - we will so jaded that we could even lose that as well. They did beat us 3-1 in a cup game not that long ago.

Tbf, if you want to play the guessing game based on past results and bad feelings, you could easily turn that around and have a positive perspective.

Only one defeat was unexpected, the other 3 losses were closer fought than anyone expected.

7 points from the 3 games remaining earlier in the season.

 

[spoddams]

Replying to the comment about the lack of people commenting on here, Twitter is getting busier - and we're all talking about meeting up in groups, so things are improving in that respect. THEN we work on the singing and noise.

I missed watching the game last night but was keeping an eye on the score, I need to watch highlights and read some reports but I'm pleased we didn't lose by as many. I wish this had been a Wednesday game, their ground isn't too far for us to get to... we'd have gone otherwise!