Three at the Back

[$hoguN]

Errrrmmm.... not sure you've got the hang of the old 3-5-2 formation Cusop. Before your time maybe? Anyway, google wing-back and then post again :up:

Why do you keep using the abbreviation CD btw?

I think you will find he is pointing out that Liverpool's formation was more of a 5-3-2 than the attacking 3-5-2 that has been suggested.

 

[Dangerous_Clive]

Not really mate. As getting tonked at home by Madrid won't do the squad's confidence any good, whilst a 1-0 win would.

Would be ultimately pointless you mean.

 

[cusop]

I think you will find he is pointing out that Liverpool's formation was more of a 5-3-2 than the attacking 3-5-2 that has been suggested.

Spot on! But it is an informed opinion as I am obliged to watch every Liverpool game!

Mrs Cs rules!

 

[mattyspurs]

Spot on! But it is an informed opinion as I am obliged to watch every Liverpool game!

Mrs Cs rules!

Me too, The Mrs M is a fan :bang:

 

[$hoguN]

Would be ultimately pointless you mean.

Pointless in terms of it helping us qualify for the next stage of the CL. However, the squad would take a lot of confidence from beating Madrid, even if we still got knocked out.

 

[cusop]

Me too, The Mrs M is a fan :bang:

I am sorry, I understand the hell you have lived under! But to watch them live in out right abject disbelief has been worth this brief period. I fear that the tide has turned and they will become a power house again shortly. Especially if the get that lad from Newcastle for left back!

But we must believe and hopefully they will still struggle to get it up for the minor games

 

[sloth]

I think you will find he is pointing out that Liverpool's formation was more of a 5-3-2 than the attacking 3-5-2 that has been suggested.

Spot on! But it is an informed opinion as I am obliged to watch every Liverpool game!

Mrs Cs rules!

The distinction is pretty much meaningless. They're both basically the same formation, but depending on how you're doing, whether you're under pressure or on top you'll play with your wing-backs more withdrawn or further up the pitch. For ease of description this is all taken as red and the formations is called "3-5-2".

Take England under Hoddle, he used to famously play "3-5-2", yet his wing-backs were often Phil Neville and Graham Le Saux, both defenders by trade and so his formations could have as easily be labelled "5-3-2".

In fact it's the transition from attacking "3-5-2" to defensive "5-3-2" which characterises this formation. To make a distinction between the two somewhat misses the whole concept of wing-backs as opposed to full-backs.

 

[nicdic]

The distinction is pretty much meaningless. They're both basically the same formation, but depending on how you're doing, whether you're under pressure or on top you'll play with your wing-backs more withdrawn or further up the pitch. For ease of description this is all taken as red and the formations is called "3-5-2".

Take England under Hoddle, he used to famously play "3-5-2", yet his wing-backs were often Phil Neville and Graham Le Saux, both defenders by trade and so his formations could have as easily be labelled "5-3-2".

In fact it's the transition from attacking "3-5-2" to defensive "5-3-2" which characterises this formation. To make a distinction between the two somewhat misses the whole concept of wing-backs as opposed to full-backs.

+1

 

[steventhfc]

Essentially Sandro would be playing sweeper.

 

[cusop]

Essentially Sandro would be playing sweeper.

Sandro the new Dave Mackay now all we need is Brian Clough!

 

[ItsBoris]

Barca basically play 2-5-3 or 3-4-3 basically if you count Busquets as a CB and I didn't see Alonso pinging dangerous killer balls behind their defense. The key with that formation is to press, press, press, shut them down and get the ball back quickly and we won't need to worry about alonso.

 

[nicdic]

I wonder if Harry is actually thinking of this from the off? Corluka doubtful, Benny came off possibly with a knock on Saturday...

 

[bubble07]

one bookmaker has given odds of 499/1 for us to win the champions league. A cheeky fiver anyone?!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

If we sacrifice a the fullbacks to go 352, the player added in along with a new centre back will be a forward, not another midfielder, I'm pretty certain of this. The midfield will still be Lennon Hudd Modric Bale with VDV in the hole, there'll just be more work for two of the centre backs and the two wingers, but there's be an extra striker to go for. The formation would be so we can improve our chances of scoring, no point in trying to solid up when our defecit is 4 goals.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

one bookmaker has given odds of 499/1 for us to win the champions league. A cheeky fiver anyone?!

That's worth 100.

 

[nicdic]

If we sacrifice a the fullbacks to go 352, the player added in along with a new centre back will be a forward, not another midfielder, I'm pretty certain of this. The midfield will still be Lennon Hudd Modric Bale with VDV in the hole, there'll just be more work for two of the centre backs and the two wingers, but there's be an extra striker to go for. The formation would be so we can improve our chances of scoring, no point in trying to solid up when our defecit is 4 goals.

I do get what you mean, but in your case it would be the whole middle four doing a lot of extra work. And whilst we need to score, we also need to concede none really. I think it would be Sandro screening, to allow the rest of the team to play their game higher up the pitch and influence things without having to track back quite so much. Lets be honest, having Modric and Huddlestone freer to attack is going to be more use than having Defoe on the pitch :lol:

 

[brasil_spur]

For me if we go this route (which we might as well as we have very little to loose) then we should play:

Gomes

Kaboul ------ Dawson ------ Gallas

Sandro ---- Huddlestone

Lennon --------- Modric --------- Bale

VDV ----- Pav​

 

[Dangerous_Clive]

Pointless in terms of it helping us qualify for the next stage of the CL. However, the squad would take a lot of confidence from beating Madrid, even if we still got knocked out.

I agree, brother.

Although if this rumour turns out to be true, the coaching staff think with a lot of attacking players and bit of luck, we can turn the tie around. Which is fair enough.

 

[sloth]

If we sacrifice a the fullbacks to go 352, the player added in along with a new centre back will be a forward, not another midfielder, I'm pretty certain of this. The midfield will still be Lennon Hudd Modric Bale with VDV in the hole, there'll just be more work for two of the centre backs and the two wingers, but there's be an extra striker to go for. The formation would be so we can improve our chances of scoring, no point in trying to solid up when our defecit is 4 goals.

I disagree (both with the idea and the thought that if we did it Redknapp would play an extra striker).

I think that five in the middle with Bale and Lennon bombing down the flanks, Sandro breaking up the play, Huddlestone playing the cultured passes and Modric roaming and causing damage creates the additional goal-threat. Then you've got VdV (or Defoe) and Pav to put the chances away.

That's in contrast to the usual formation of only four midfielders (with Sandro sacrificed) where our creative forces in Huddlestone and Modric are hobbled by their increased defensive duties.

Stick an extra striker in as you suggest and we still restrict Huddlestone and Modric, which in turn puts extra defensive responsibility on our wing-backs and you end up undermining the very system you're hoping will win the day.

In other words you end up with three strikers scrapping for that many fewer chances between them.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Except that VDV is a midfielder... or have people forgotten this?