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Tottenham are no better off for Fabio Paratici's arrival

Freddie

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We all hope it pans out, but this shit is like buying a house. The whole chain needs to stay in tact and we've just been gazumped on 3 players by much more attractive teams. I'd rather it happened now than 11pm on 31st Jan though. If Paratici's reputation is accurate, he has contingencies lined up (Kulusevski has now popped up) and things could warm up a fair bit. Some just seem so determined to be first with the negative mantra and it's so fucking tiresome.
But those dominoes topple eventually and if you're more forceful and assertive you'd think you could make things happen earlier. I get the negativity is tiresome but Paratici's legacy in Italy was largely inheriting the best squad in the league and walking away from a burning building that he set fire too. It's also tiresome when he's always shielded from blame.
 
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PeeLee

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I think that aiming for a player, perhaps keeping him as an option if need be, trying to arrive at agreement once 'all the ducks are in a row', is a fiddly job for a director of football and his support-team. All the more when umpteen other football clubs are also trying to offload or sign-up players; it's an active task and it's a balancing act, too, in a way.

Paratici gets knocked back, yet he seems to have alternatives in mind. That's because he understands that Life is Like That. This is not the best time of year to trade in players, but this period part-way through the season is being used all the same. There have already been a couple of 'below' the radar' signings, and they may turn out very well, while at least a couple of those the club wants to move out look like that'll be what happens. So, some arrivals and departures already with days to go to deadline, the squad on training and match days will feel a bit different. There'll have been more evidence of the gradual rebuilding and revival of Spurs.

Less neuroses, please, and a little more faith in the future, would be much appreciated by the many Spurs fans who don't go daft and do keep a steady eye on developments.
 

Japhet

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But those dominoes topple eventually and if you're more forceful and assertive you'd think you could make things happen earlier. I get the negativity is tiresome but Paratici's legacy in Italy was largely inheriting the best squad in Italy and walking away from a burning building that he set fire too. It's also tiresome when he's always shielded from blame.

The only way you make the dominoes topple early is by paying way over the top on transfer fee, agent fees and wages, but we're not Man City, Chelsea (or Newcastle now), and hopefully never will be. Were not at the top table any more and we have to work hard to sell the club to ambitious players. My hope is that Conte can do his usual trick of getting big improvements out of more modest players. I trust that he knows what he's doing.
 

Freddie

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Paratici gets knocked back, yet he seems to have alternatives in mind. That's because he understands that Life is Like That. This is not the best time of year to trade in players, but this period part-way through the season is being used all the same. There have already been a couple of 'below' the radar' signings, and they may turn out very well, while at least a couple of those the club wants to move out look like that'll be what happens. So, some arrivals and departures already with days to go to deadline, the squad on training and match days will feel a bit different. There'll have been more evidence of the gradual rebuilding and revival of Spurs.
Have I missed something? Which arrivals and which departures have already happened?
 

Springerding

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So you think ENIC told him to go for ambitious targets hoping he'd fail? What a totally fucked up way of thinking. The money was there but the players chose other clubs. Where was this bullshit when Paratici signed Romero?
The problem is we always insult the selling club with a derisory offer when quoted an asking price.

If we had said ok we will pay 'that amount' and it then it fell apart because of the player that's one thing but its how we piss about that gets on fans tits, we were caught haggling and Liverpool just came in and gave them what they wanted.
The other this is, we should be doing business on the first day of the window, identifying targets early and being ready, It feels like Levy walks in to the meeting on Jan 1, claps his hands together and say ;right lads what we gunna do, Is it to much to ask the owners to do better?

We have all seen this all before time after time, I can only think you must be new to supporting Spurs, welcome, i hope you don't dream big. :)
 

spursbhoy67

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We went after three players. They chose to sign for Juventus, Barcelona and Liverpool. That would be three Champions League Winners and recent winners and perennial title contenders in their respective countries. Perspective is key.

I will be more upset if we target a player and he chooses Arsenal, West Ham, Newcastle or Aston Villa over us in the belief that those clubs have more potential for success.
 

AnotherSpursFan

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The only reason why they signed for the other clubs is because of our propensity to persist with an unrealistic offer for the majority part of the transfer window.

We should have wrapped up the transfers early to prevent other clubs from swooping in.

Same mistake repeated every year.
 

TonyS

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As much as we find it difficult to attract players to our club when the big boys enter the fray, it's also worrying how we can't attract buyers for the clowns we want out of our club.
 

spursbhoy67

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I don't get as frustrated with the business side of the decision making especially as we are not an oligarch club. Every million counts for a financially well run club like Tottenham, so why under value or over pay for a player when it can have consequences further down the road.

The issue I have is with the decision making in the players we pursue or decide not to sign. Who has the final say? It is a footballing decision? Is it a business and financial decision? Rodon over Skriniar, LoCelso or Ndombele over Fernandes, not signing players like Watkins, Grealish, Maddison and Tierney when we watched them.

And who makes the decision to keep a hold of players like Dele or Winks when it might be time to move them on? Rarely do players return to the form of years ago. A poor season perhaps, but not 2-3. Fergie would have refreshed when those players were at their peak. Liverpool is doing it in real time right now so when they lose Salah the loss might be minimal.

What is our philosophy for signing a player? That to me is more important now than missing out on Traore and Dias.

Again, Fergie was ruthless with scouts when they got things wrong. I don't see us having that same attitude as a club.

We have spent money. We have just spent it poorly.
 

Metalhead

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The ill managed manager merry go round - some sub standard signings in the summer and what appears to be, but hopefully isn't the case, a scattergun January approach.

I'd say that patience is probably quickly wearing thin for quite a few.
You'd never notice on here.
 

Metalhead

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The problem is we always insult the selling club with a derisory offer when quoted an asking price.

If we had said ok we will pay 'that amount' and it then it fell apart because of the player that's one thing but its how we piss about that gets on fans tits, we were caught haggling and Liverpool just came in and gave them what they wanted.
The other this is, we should be doing business on the first day of the window, identifying targets early and being ready, It feels like Levy walks in to the meeting on Jan 1, claps his hands together and say ;right lads what we gunna do, Is it to much to ask the owners to do better?

We have all seen this all before time after time, I can only think you must be new to supporting Spurs, welcome, i hope you don't dream big. :)
I'd say that it's probably poor business to go in and agree on the asking price immediately.
 

beuller

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Its been another disappointing window. Not really for the lack of signings, I think we are all pretty conditioned to that.

But the strategy and execution just looks as shambolic as when it was just down to levy.
 

Springerding

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I'd say that it's probably poor business to go in and agree on the asking price immediately.
In the summer, probably, but in Jan totally different, if your desperate to cement top four while backing a top manager and you believe a player can help you towards that then that would be the time to just pay up and get your man.
 

Metalhead

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In the summer, probably, but in Jan totally different, if your desperate to cement top four while backing a top manager and you believe a player can help you towards that then that would be the time to just pay up and get your man.
Tbf there is less time to negotiate so there is strength in that point. I guess the only problem is that if we have a set budget and don't want to lump all our eggs in one basket then there has to be an attempt at paying less and TBF clubs may well value players higher with a view to negotiation.
 
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