Tottenham have become a boring, tedious and irrelevant club

[Graysonti]

I make that article bang on.

We oozed style and glamour when I was a kid.

We are boring now, almost irrelevant and going round and round in circles.

I blame ENIC and Levy

And to do is to dare as a motto is now laughable.

Harsh but true

 

[Mr Pink]

Its a load of bollox anyway - irrelevant? Do me a favour, we've had more impact in the CL in one attempt than money bags City have had in about four attempts.

That alone is recent enough to suggest that we arn't irrelevant. Smashing the current champions at the time to.

Yes the last two seasons have been a bit of a struggle, even though we're still hovering around where we should be, and the flair in our play has evaporated but others have had their struggles to.

Even Chelsea finished outside the top four recently, with the resources they have that's pathetic. United's struggles have been going near two years albeit signs of improvement in the last few months and Liverpool whre out in the wilderness for years before last season - frequently finishing below us when they have far bigger financial muscle.

And we're branded irrelevant for achieving par, just because we've havn't been the great entertainers in the process for once?

The lack of respect we receive in the media is bloody disgusting IMO.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I make that article bang on.

We oozed style and glamour when I was a kid.

We are boring now, almost irrelevant and going round and round in circles.

I blame ENIC and Levy

And to do is to dare as a motto is now laughable.

Harsh but true

Absolute codswallop.

Where did we finish on average in the couple of decades before Enic?

 

[spurs9]

Absolute codswallop.

Where did we finish on average in the couple of decades before Enic?

Our highest finish under Sugar was 8th and we only managed that twice.

 

[RButch]

We are a one dimensional, predictable club both on an off the pitch. ENIC has done a wonderful job on sustainable longevity, but have sacrificed (in recent years) our short-term success. In my opinion we need to use the next 2/3 years to build a foundation for us to flourish come the stadium opening. I'd take a few more years of 'hardship' if, once the stadium is ready for action, we are able to compete financial with the bigger boys. It is time to ditch the deadweight and get those youngsters through.

 

[jambreck]

I make that article bang on.

..........

And to do is to dare as a motto is now laughable.

Harsh but true

Of course it's laughable when you can't even say it right.

And no, the article isn't "spot on". Not even close. No club is irrelevant. Only Sky 4 bores believe such a thing.

As others have said, for all that they've made mistakes, this isn't ENIC's or Levy's fault specifically. It's football's fault - and the fault of those that have criminally mismanaged or exploited the sport over the past two and a half decades.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I agree with the first part of your post. We haven't really done a lot wrong in terms of our effort to break into the top four. Apart from the gulf in finances, our problems have largely been down to signings (both managerial and players) that seemed good at the time, but which didn't turn out well. It does seem odd to lay into the club just a few weeks after we finally got the ball rolling on a brand new stadium.

I don't agree with the second part of your post. It's not that people would be happy for us to be entertaining but in mid-table, but over the course of the season it would be more enjoyable being a Spurs fan. If we were playing exciting football and around mid-table that would mean we'd be picking up wins with exciting football at least one in three games. That would certainly lift expectations and excitement ahead of home games as it would at least offer the possibility of going to see an entertaining game, rather than the predictable, somnambulating dross we see week in, week out.

In the past we never knew which Spurs would turn up, but at least they did turn up.

For me the Red knap years really show that our fans care more about success than style when it comes down to it.

Under H we were attacking, unpredictable and at times appalling and it was a team that the entire country thought was great to watch.

And what did most spurs fans whinge about? We didn't win enough and 'threw away' 3rd with our reckless play.

Basically people want us to win and when we don't they'll complain and when we win they'll complain we don't play well enough.

Basically we're all wankers.

 

[CowInAComa]

For me the Red knap years really show that our fans care more about success than style when it comes down to it.

Under H we were attacking, unpredictable and at times appalling and it was a team that the entire country thought was great to watch.

And what did most spurs fans whinge about? We didn't win enough and 'threw away' 3rd with our reckless play.

Basically people want us to win and when we don't they'll complain and when we win they'll complain we don't play well enough.

Basically we're all wankers.

Basically, no football fan is ever happy. Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd, City, Real fans all been whinging all season and they are the teams at the top... Bayern fans are whinging right now, Even Chelsea fans have been moaning about CL failure and boring football.

Expectations just rise and fall to just be out of reach realistic expectation at any given time, relative to your club.

When we were 3rd people were whinging, Under Redknapp people were whinging (he plays on the left chant?) and people are whinging now. People were whinging when we beat Chelsea because we conceded 3.

Then a couple of time a season every clubs have a period where expectations are exceeded or maybe even just met and everyone has a fun happy day or 2 before going back to whinging.

Football is hell, you can never win.

 

[cliff jones]

boring, tedious? well, Kane apart, not far wrong, unless we are watching the games where Eriksen and Chadli produce. not quite often enough as we all know. compared to bale and modric, or the flair stars of yesteryear, maybe.

irrelevant? amid all the shite football, defensive horror shows, we are only three wins shy of a last day shoot out for a top four place. so not completely irrelevant, especially given our league wins over the scums.

even if what jose says and does becomes a barometer, the fact he played his defensive formation in the final, which he only uses against the most difficult opponents, hopint to nick a win through a set piece, pays tribute to the heights we can reach.

irrelevant? no way.

schneiderlin, sissokho and ings and the kids, new stadium i will return an optimist in august!

 

[NEVILLEB]

Absolute codswallop.

Where did we finish on average in the couple of decades before Enic?

That's like defending Police Academy 6 by pointing out it was better than Police Academy 5!

 

[Spurger King]

For me the Red knap years really show that our fans care more about success than style when it comes down to it.

Under H we were attacking, unpredictable and at times appalling and it was a team that the entire country thought was great to watch.

And what did most spurs fans whinge about? We didn't win enough and 'threw away' 3rd with our reckless play.

Basically people want us to win and when we don't they'll complain and when we win they'll complain we don't play well enough.

Basically we're all wankers.

Not sure I agree with that assessment. We did blow 3rd place spectacularly, which was compounded in the worst possible way by Chelsea beating Bayern and taking our 4th place spot. However, most Spurs fans I know absolutely loved watching us before the wheels came off. We had a great run in the CL, and I think most people thought that getting to the quarter-finals was a great achievement.

Of course people were going to complain when we started playing badly - that's perfectly natural - but I got the impression that a lot of pride was restored during the majority of Harry's reign.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Not sure I agree with that assessment. We did blow 3rd place spectacularly, which was compounded in the worst possible way by Chelsea beating Bayern and taking our 4th place spot. However, most Spurs fans I know absolutely loved watching us before the wheels came off. We had a great run in the CL, and I think most people thought that getting to the quarter-finals was a great achievement.

Of course people were going to complain when we started playing badly - that's perfectly natural - but I got the impression that a lot of pride was restored during the majority of Harry's reign.

I think the vitriol towards Redknapp when it was clear he was leaving showed that good football or not, the fans still wanted actual success.

That amazing Champions League season was forgotten in a heartbeat when the results slipped slightly.

I just think that as a set of fans there are lots of people who will never be happy unless we're at Barcelona levels of brilliance and success at the same time.

And that's never going to happen.

 

[jambreck]

That's like defending Police Academy 6 by pointing out it was better than Police Academy 5!

Nice analogy!

But not, to be fair, very accurate.

To be literal and pedantic, Police Academy 6 was a stand alone movie. Of course it followed on from every previous Police Academy movie but there is no reason why, with a new team of top writers and a good director, it couldn't have bucked the trend and been a well made film comedy within its limited genre.

By contrast, ENIC's Spurs is not a stand alone football club (if you'll excuse the stretched metaphor). It only exists within a specific context. And that context is the legacy that ENIC inherited from previous Spurs regimes. The crapness of Police Academy 5 needn't have determined the quality of Police Academy 6. But the mismanagement of Spurs by Scholar and, in a different way, by Sugar inevitably determined the horizons for ENIC's Spurs.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Boring,tedious and irrelevant!!

Blimey he should have watched us around 1975....

 

[cliff jones]

Nice analogy!

But not, to be fair, very accurate.

To be literal and pedantic, Police Academy 6 was a stand alone movie. Of course it followed on from every previous Police Academy movie but there is no reason why, with a new team of top writers and a good director, it couldn't have bucked the trend and been a well made film comedy within its limited genre.

By contrast, ENIC's Spurs is not a stand alone football club (if you'll excuse the stretched metaphor). It only exists within a specific context. And that context is the legacy that ENIC inherited from previous Spurs regimes. The crapness of Police Academy 5 needn't have determined the quality of Police Academy 6. But the mismanagement of Spurs by Scholar and, in a different way, by Sugar inevitably determined the horizons for ENIC's Spurs.

certainly predetermined their early horizons, yep. but theyve been at this for a generation now, or four or five generations of managers and players. poch, like avb before him, wont change shape and seems bothered only by hard work and 65% possesion. next man in should be a manager with flexible ideas, who uses conventional width and intelligent running offf the ball. like the bloke down the road. inhope levy gets the next one right.

 

[Hoops]

not sure why everyone is upset by a story in the Mail. Wouldn't give it a seconds thought.

 

[Mullers]

It stops being opinion when it turns into dogma. Why do something like following Spurs when you sound so brassed off with it.
I understand you getting piss off with results like Saturday and the teams downturn recently.....but we are sixth with a new season round the corner and hopefully a new stadium along the way. Be happy!

How are you going to tell supporters they should be happy with their lot, when it's clear that Levy isn't that way?

 

[SteveH]

How are you going to tell supporters they should be happy with their lot, when it's clear that Levy isn't that way?

Not so much simply 'be happy' no matter what. But try taking a step back and not getting sucked into negative spiral over something which how ever much you hate whoever or want to change something, you have bugger all control.....so chill.

All you will end up like poor old Basil...

 

[Mullers]

Not so much simply 'be happy' no matter what. But try taking a step back and not getting sucked into negative spiral over something which how ever much you hate whoever or want to change something, you have bugger all control.....so chill.

All you will end up like poor old Basil...

It seems like what you are describing is the attitude of our players at the moment, they are getting thousands a week, nothing in their minds to play for, so they are just chilling, without a care in the world.

 

[SteveH]

It seems like what you are describing is the attitude of our players at the moment, they are getting thousands a week, nothing in their minds to play for, so they are just chilling, without a care in the world.

You just can't help yourself can you.
You will end-up shouting into the mirror Mullers.