Match Threads Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC

[Wheeler Dealer]

I've seen my favourites and top players leave, Hoddle, Archibald, Gascoigne, Carrick, Berbatov, Bale, Modric etc because we cant afford to match the ambition of the big clubs. I've seen the board give managers money which has been wasted on dross players to suit the crave for signings. Now Levy has seen that splashing cash doesn't equate to success or getting near to being on a level with the top clubs, though you may with a bit of luck and good management win the odd trophy (our squads were better than the WIgan who won the FA cup and Leicester who won the league).
A couple of years back Van Gaal who was interested in Kane said something like 'Manchester United will always be a bigger club than Spurs'. This will never change while we take short term views, so if we have players who are as fickle as some of our fans with the short term view and cant understand how things have changed financially over the last year, of course they may leave. Add to Pochettinho too who is one of the best managers we have seen for some time (but by no means perfect). I understand why we need to change what we have done in the past and take this longer term view, the stadium is the most important thing to try to get us to that level.

I've support this club since 1978 and we have never been top of the food chain, and always at risk of losing top players to the bigger clubs. This unfortunately is a fact of life. If we wish to get to the top of the food chain quickly, then we need to replicate the investment seen in Manchester City, where you can buy and pay the very best. If we maintain current status then we will always be playing catch up and this becomes more and more difficult and the gap grows as a consequence of not investing.

 

[shelfboy68]

I've support this club since 1978 and we have never been top of the food chain, and always at risk of losing top players to the bigger clubs. This unfortunately is a fact of life. If we wish to get to the top of the food chain quickly, then we need to replicate the investment seen in Manchester City, where you can buy and pay the very best. If we maintain current status then we will always be playing catch up and this becomes more and more difficult and the gap grows as a consequence of not investing.

To stand any chance of catching city up then we need new owners under the current ownership that will never happen as they retain no intention of competing with the big clubs to win big prizes.
The new stadium whilst bringing in extra revenue that will be most appreciated isn't the biggest revenue stream that comes from TV money, which is why the smaller clubs can now spend quite big and all the more annoying and embarrassing that we spent diddly squat.

 

[Gb160]

To stand any chance of catching city up then we need new owners under the current ownership that will never happen as they retain no intention of competing with the big clubs to win big prizes.
The new stadium whilst bringing in extra revenue that will be most appreciated isn't the biggest revenue stream that comes from TV money, which is why the smaller clubs can now spend quite big and all the more annoying and embarrassing that we spent diddly squat.

This is the crux of it mate, but lets face it...I very much doubt Levy and Lewis are rejecting offers from Saudi princes and Russian oligarchs on a daily basis.

We are where we are, personally I just don't see the point in getting the hump over the current situation....we're in the best and most competitive position I can remember, Im just gonna enjoy it, regardless of trophies.

 

[shelfboy68]

This is the crux of it mate, but lets face it...I very much doubt Levy and Lewis are rejecting offers from Saudi princes and Russian oligarchs on a daily basis.

We are where we are, personally I just don't see the point in getting the hump over the current situation....we're in the best and most competitive position I can remember, Im just gonna enjoy it, regardless of trophies.

I agree with have to accept it for what it is but I'm sure if ENIC made us available for sale then there would be no shortage of takers seeing as although we are not that competitive the club would not require massive surgery to be successful.
Enics aim has always been to maximise the club's revenue to it's fullest without going the extra mile and winning anything as it's not what their about.
Not sure what the next few years will bring probably more of the same with many of our best players leaving to further their careers, but yes got to enjoy it for what it is in the meantime.

 

[Gb160]

I agree with have to accept it for what it is but I'm sure if ENIC made us available for sale then there would be no shortage of takers seeing as although we are not that competitive the club would not require massive surgery to be successful.
Enics aim has always been to maximise the club's revenue to it's fullest without going the extra mile and winning anything as it's not what their about.
Not sure what the next few years will bring probably more of the same with many of our best players leaving to further their careers, but yes got to enjoy it for what it is in the meantime.

But we are for sale, Enic have always said this.

People have been saying 'our best players/poch will all leave' for years now...and it doesn't happen.
In fact they keep signing contract extensions.

 

[shelfboy68]

But we are for sale, Enic have always said this.

People have been saying 'our best players/poch will all leave' for years now...and it doesn't happen.
In fact they keep signing contract extensions.

Mate this is one of the few things I like about levy and that is he gets players and managers tied down to long deals so as to maximise full amount when the club is keen to sell or players want to move on.
Look at bale we knew he was going to leave the season before when the rumours started so levy got him to sign an extension brilliant business, but your not a fool mate and neither are many that follow this club and that is we can't keep our best players when the chance comes for them to win things like walker who knew it will never happen under the current set up that isn't moaning just reality.

 

[UbeAstard]

...... we can't keep our best players when the chance comes for them to win things like walker who knew it will never happen under the current set up that isn't moaning just reality.

Well Wigan and Leicester won things with squads that weren't better than ours so I don't think its correct to say 'it will never happen under the current set up...'. What Walker did by going to Manchester City was increased his chances of winning something and consistently winning (along with a big wage increase).

 

[shelfboy68]

Well Wigan and Leicester won things with squads that weren't better than ours so I don't think its correct to say 'it will never happen under the current set up...'. What Walker did by going to Manchester City was increased his chances of winning something and consistently winning (along with a big wage increase).

And walkers decision was correct though wasn't it 2 trophies in his first season and more to come none of our players can and will say that while at spurs sad to say but true.

 

[UbeAstard]

And walkers decision was correct though wasn't it 2 trophies in his first season and more to come none of our players can and will say that while at spurs sad to say but true.

He might be correct for himself, I'm not disputing that. My point is YOU are incorrect in saying 'it will never happen....'.

 

[shelfboy68]

He might be correct for himself, I'm not disputing that. My point is YOU are incorrect in saying 'it will never happen....'.

Ok I will re phrase it to will not win anything for the foreseeable future that may sound better agreed?

 

[Blackrat1299]

But we are for sale, Enic have always said this.

People have been saying 'our best players/poch will all leave' for years now...and it doesn't happen.
In fact they keep signing contract extensions.

Having failed to to invest in the team this summer, I find it hard to believe that those we are waiting for will extend their contracts. I believe that a lot of the senior players will be trying to make sense of the rationale behind that failure.

 

[UbeAstard]

Ok I will re phrase it to will not win anything for the foreseeable future that may sound better agreed?

No point me disagreeing and creating a silly argument. Thats your opinion so I agree you're entitled to it.

 

[Gb160]

Having failed to to invest in the team this summer, I find it hard to believe that those we are waiting for will extend their contracts. I believe that a lot of the senior players will be trying to make sense of the rationale behind that failure.

Well that's certainly a pessimistic outlook, which you're entitled to have.
Interesting that these opinions seem far more abundant on here after a couple of bad results.

 

[Shadydan]

Well that's certainly a pessimistic outlook, which you're entitled to have.
Interesting that these opinions seem far more abundant on here after a couple of bad results.

Is it...really?

 

[Gb160]

Is it...really?

Interesting....AKA: entirely predictable.

 

[Blackrat1299]

Well that's certainly a pessimistic outlook, which you're entitled to have.
Interesting that these opinions seem far more abundant on here after a couple of bad results.

I am not overly concerned about the results, disappointed yes, concerned no. Then why is it, after a few well signed contracts, there seems to be this 'pregnant pause' in relation to Eriksen, Dele, Jan?

 

[Gb160]

I am not overly concerned about the results, disappointed yes, concerned no. Then why is it, after a few well signed contracts, there seems to be this 'pregnant pause' in relation to Eriksen, Dele, Jan?

Dunno, but to come to the conclusion that they won't sign, solely because of a lack of transfers in the summer, is weirdly pessimistic imo.

 

[Jonesey]

Let me get this straight so I can better understand your reasoning. Sometimes analogies are better for understanding. What you are proposing is putting a brand spankin new paint job on our old jalopy and neglecting the engine with the cracked head and transmission with the slipping clutch...and that will move us forward? Sounds like a plan.

FFS our MF was more of a threat to our own team than they were helpful to our attacking efforts. We could have had Messi right of Kane and Neymar left and still lost that game because we were dispossessed 112 times. We need a MF and WBs with more technical ability, more athleticism, and significantly more footballing intelligence before we concern ourselves with adding to our attack which is last priority.

I totally 100% agree with you. We need that too.

 

[dtxspurs]

Dunno, but to come to the conclusion that they won't sign, solely because of a lack of transfers in the summer, is weirdly pessimistic imo.

Its fairly logical though isn't it? If A player is considering a potential move in the future they won't sign a long term deal where Levy can us it as negotiating power against them in the transfer market. For Eriksen it will be way easier for him to get a move if he has only a year left on his deal vs 5 years. Theres no way the top players were happy with no additions to the squad.

 

[Gb160]

Theres no way the top players were happy with no additions to the squad.

You might think you know, but no one knows what they're thinking apart from their agents, families and close friends....least of all fans on forums.