Tottenham Hotspur Vs West Ham: Match Thread

[StartingPrice]

Two points dropped

THIS

I don't think I've ever felt so angry and frustrated by a result. Unbelievable that we had so many chances, yet again, and failed to score.

THIS
31 attempts :bang:

2 points against Blackpool, Wolves and West Ham is unacceptable.

No. No it isn't. I said Blackpool was justa blip; I defended the result against Wolves; but this, it is just not good enough. Two points out of nine against three of the bottom clubs in the league:roll:

I'm always a glass half full kinda guy, but today has really knocked the confidence out of me.

Exactly.

be good for the kids and 2nd string, while the main team pushes for the title

:clap:...:think:...mg:...:duh:...:grin:

That was so disapointing to watch.. for me if you are playing anyone below the top 5 at home you should be playing two up top. Yes some people consider VDV to be a forward but he played so deep. Rafa is not dumb he knows when he plays with defoe we wont send the ball direct to a forward line due to a lack of height/hold up play so he goes looking for the ball. Where as when Crouch plays Rafa looks to get close to him for knockdowns.

So Harry, simple decision... either go RAFA with Crouch or Pav with Defoe.

This.
Funny thing is, though, we still had 31 chances.

Modric was great today. I'm just so sad we didn't buy that striker in the summer, we could have won the league this year.

Ain't that the truth.
Seriously.
Not so long ago, I pointed out that if United lost their two games against Chelsea and their game at Anfield we would be one point off them. Well, they've lost two out of two so far, and what do we do in the corresponding fixtures - lose to Blackpool and draw with Wolves and the Spammers.
A serious striker last Summer,and I really do believe we would have won the EPL this season.

 

[nicdic]

Pav's played (marginally) more minutes than Defoe this season, the run of games myth is yet another myth, just like the goalscoring myth.

How long was Defoe injured? 3 months? And he's only just played fewer minutes. I think that shows how little time Pav gets given.

This is the nonsense. That is complete a utter bollocks. In the first 21 games of this season he made 18 appearances, 16 of them consecutively, and scored 5 goals. Admittedly he didn't play 90 minutes, but in 11 of them he played at least a full half and in 9 of them he played over 75 minutes.

How many did the others score in that time?

Defoe - 0
Crouch - ?

He scored 5 goals.

Pav scored more...

It is also very important to point out that he scored 2 of those goals in games where we won comfortably (Blackburn and Wolves at home) and one in the 4-2 away defeat at Bolton. His only 'important' goals were our first goal away at Fulham and the excellent goal he scored at home against Chelsea.

Pav scored the second goal of the game to make it 2-0 against Blackburn, we won 4-2. Laughable to claim it wasn't important. He also scored the goal to put us 2-1 infront at home to Wolves, so hardly unimportant.

He's also been injured for various periods, and Redknapp himself has said that when he sees he's not in the 11 he will often come up with a sudden injury on the Friday training session.

I think you're mistaking Pavlyuchenko for David Bentley. Harry has never said that about Pavlyuchenko, I know some inferred that around the away game at Sunderland when he was left out, but there is no fact there if my memory serves me correctly.

Which makes this a little laughable...

This is what does my head in. This wilful ignoring of any facts and the happy replacement of those facts with a wishy-washy 'yeah but Pav scores goals innit' attitude. Completely aside from the fact that he's one of the laziest players I've ever seen, totally ignoring the fact that he constantly gives the ball away instead of holding it up, the one thing his supporters always claim, that he 'scores goals' (or even more preposterously, that 'he will score goals if he got played more') isn't true.

It's a common misconception that Pavlyuchenko is lazy, like Crouch is good in the air or has a good touch, and that Defoe is a good finisher. None of those things are true. Pav is always a willing runner, he plays the channels well, his hold up isn't bad, and he links play pretty well. He's our best all-round striker. He's a striker, he scores goals, but he offers more than that too.

For fuck's sake. Defoe is awful at the moment, and needs to be gotten rid of. I was screaming for Pav to start this game myself. And when he did come on he played really well, possibly his best performance this year. But can we please stop the utter shit that comes out whenever someone else like Crouch or Defoe don't score about how Pav would've definitely scored.

To top it all off, Harry has started him in 3 of the last 5 league games.

My problem with your posts is your ignoring of two facts:

1 - Pav scores consistently (he doesn't)

2 - Pav doesn't start many games (he does)

Other than that, I agree with you that I want to see him playing either alongside, or in place of, Defoe.

Neither of them are good enough, and both need to go in the summer.

I'm not saying Pav is world class, or the answer to all our problems, but he is our most consistent scorer and doesn't get as many games as he should in comparison to the others.

If we can get better than him then yeah, replace him, but Defoe and Keane are top of my list for the exit.

 

[Hoddle_Ledge]

We've scored 19 goals at home, only Sunderland, Birmingham and Wigan have scored less.

 

[Bobbins]

How long was Defoe injured? 3 months? And he's only just played fewer minutes. I think that shows how little time Pav gets given.

How many did the others score in that time?

Defoe - 0
Crouch - ?

Not the point - as I've said I'm not saying Defoe is better or should play more, but that Pav doesn't score regular goals.

Pav scored more...

No that was how many Pav scored during all those games.

Pav scored the second goal of the game to make it 2-0 against Blackburn, we won 4-2. Laughable to claim it wasn't important. He also scored the goal to put us 2-1 infront at home to Wolves, so hardly unimportant.

He also missed a penalty and an open goal before he scored. It wasn't remotely important because by that stage we'd had something like 7 attempts on goal already, and were completely dominating that match. It was one of our most comfortable games of the season. I know because I was there shouting at him!

I think you're mistaking Pavlyuchenko for David Bentley. Harry has never said that about Pavlyuchenko, I know some inferred that around the away game at Sunderland when he was left out, but there is no fact there if my memory serves me correctly.

If Harry's never named the player aren't you just as likely mistaking Bentley for Pav? I was never under the impression that it was anyone but Pav.

Which makes this a little laughable...

See above.

It's a common misconception that Pavlyuchenko is lazy, like Crouch is good in the air or has a good touch, and that Defoe is a good finisher. None of those things are true. Pav is always a willing runner, he plays the channels well, his hold up isn't bad, and he links play pretty well. He's our best all-round striker. He's a striker, he scores goals, but he offers more than that too.

It's not a common misconception just because you say it is. It's actually an observable fact, which occurs game after game. As for his other attributes, his touch is usually awful, he has no pace, his finishing is often all over the place, he does almost no defensive work, he gives the ball away in dangerous positions, and he commits huge numbers of fouls. That's not to deny his positive aspects, but to deny his negative aspects exist because you don't notice them is ridiculous.

I'm not saying Pav is world class, or the answer to all our problems, but he is our most consistent scorer and doesn't get as many games as he should in comparison to the others.

He's only our most consistent goalscorer this year. You know in his last two seasons he's scored 5 league goals each time right? Last season he hardly played but that's because Defoe got 18 league goals and 5 assists and Crouch scored 8 with 7 assists so it's obvious as to why.

He also got a grand total of 4 assists in total across those two campaigns, and he's got a whole two assists this season, making a mockery of the claim that he creates goals for others whilst Defoe does not.

This season I agree he should play more - as I say my point is that facts show that he does not score regularly or create many goals, and they also show that he does actually get plenty more game time than people think.

If we can get better than him then yeah, replace him, but Defoe and Keane are top of my list for the exit.

I don't like to think about Keane still being our player, stop that :lol:

See above.

 

[thinktank]

I have no idea why this is all so surprising to anyone; we didn't buy any strikers so this was written from the moment the window closed. There's more of this to come so get used to it.

I'll say it again: the only way we are going to get CL next year is if we win it. No effective strikers = no 4th = no CL. Simpleness.

Everything we have should now go into winning the CL. It must.

 

[nicdic]

Redknapp said it was Bentley.

And all I'm saying is given more of a run, like the other two have been given, he'd do better than both of them, as he's hinted from his limited appearances.

 

[brett.spurs]

What was the thinking behind bringing on Hutton when we're in need of a goal, whilst Niko is sitting on the bench?

 

[mpickard2087]

We've scored 19 goals at home, only Sunderland, Birmingham and Wigan have scored less.

Mainly due to strikers yes, but also I think partly due to the 4-5-1 we have played this season. Again today we dont get enough players into the box a lot of the time especially when we like to play with wingers and cross the ball in to the box.

 

[stormfly]

With no champions league next year, we can really go for the title. Harry is a genius!

 

[Mr Pink]

With no champions league next year, we can really go for the title. Harry is a genius!

Providing we field a complete second eleven in the Europa League.....I sincerely hope we do....never do well in the League playing on Thursdays every few weeks.

 

[brett.spurs]

Unless we tank the league completely and finish 6th.

 

[StartingPrice]

What was the thinking behind bringing on Hutton when we're in need of a goal, whilst Niko is sitting on the bench?

I presumed that Charlie was injured...otherwise, him and Lennon were interracting reasonably well, as usual. Hutton is more offensive, and that might have been part of 'Arry's thinking, but he does tend to negate Lennon.So, really don't know, if it wasn't that Charlie was injured:shrug:

 

[Hot-Spur]

With no champions league next year, we can really go for the title. Harry is a genius!

But unless things really go pete tong we will probably have the Europa, where you play at least 100 games before the final :bang:

 

[Mr Pink]

Hutton came on to give us even more pace, Charlie wasn't at his best but the reason was for Huttons pace...

The obvious sub for me, which I was saying at the time, was Kranjcar for Bale....he was knackered with 20 mins to go, couldn't beat the full back.

Niko has scored some crucial winners for us recently....was absolutely gob smacked that Harry didn't replace the tiring Bale...

 

[StartingPrice]

But unless things really go pete tong we will probably have the Europa, where you play at least 100 games before the final :bang:

Nah, 'Arry will just pull a 'Young-Boys', sowe don't have to play them...and then...we win ze league, ngghahhaaaaaarghhggghghhhhh haaaaaaahaaaaahaaaa:hump:

Hutton came on to give us even more pace, Charlie wasn't at his best but the reason was for Huttons pace.

Like I said, that seems to be the most likelyexplanation...if Charlie wasn't injured. But Hutton negates Lennon, who has the pace anyway, so it doesn't seem to make much sense.

Bring Kranks on...YES. Apart form anything else, he knows where the net it.