Tottenham Takeover Talk

[Finchyid]

Although Spurs are QSI’s first priority, it is thought that at least two other consortiums are also interested in acquiring a stake in the club, which has debts of hundreds of millions of pounds after the construction of their new stadium.

When I see the word consortium I always think about del boys consortium for the gold chains

debt….that’s hilarious

 

[Jody]

Fair enough my apologies. Interesting moral code is a bit over the top. Probably should have said something like interesting rationalizing. You are still saying we should do something that you don’t really feel comfortable with just because others have been allowed to do it.
Life is full of grey areas but you still sometimes have to decide whether something is right or wrong.
For me it is clearly wrong to accept investment from Qatar. Apart from the way they treat certain segments of their population this is a country who debased the worlds greatest sporting tournament by bribing FIFA to award the World Cup to them in order burnish their public image.

Basically telling the world “hey we’re filthy rich so we can have anything we like, do anything we like”. Is that really the sort of people you want to be associated with, want our club to be associated with?

Tottenham is my club, it’s your club, it’s our club. Do you really want our club, that obviously means so much to us all, just be basically a department in the Qatari( or any other country for that matter) Ministry of Truth used to make them look like great guys when in reality they’re mean spirited people who just happen to be loaded.
We’d have come a long way from that group of boys under the street light( just across the road from our present stadium) who decided to start a football club named after Harry Hotspur. Wonder what they’d think of it.
You’re all entitled to your view on this but be careful what you wish for.

Whatever happens, however distasteful I may find it, I will always be TTID. No one will ever take that away from me.

Some good points made. It would be wise if we lay off the merits for and against rampant capitalism though.

The supporters or any lower league club could say the same about us, how we acquired our money and the impact it has on them. It’s 2 sides of the same coin.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

You think enic wanted to invest in spurs because they oivethe game ??
Or Alan sugar??

Come on fella. No one invests ina football club because they are a fan. They do it to make money.
At times that hurts us pleb fans because it’s us they rinse out of our cash.
At other times we benefit because their investment helps us become more successful, so us pleb fans get to cheer our team winning games.

For me Newcastle fans are very similar to us. Had a taste of what success Feels like nder their best manager in recent history. Just missed out and desperately trying to get back there, to finish the job off properly. Redemption or whatever you want to call it.
I don’t begrudge them that. Their love for their club predates the new owners, as does ours. So does their ambition.
it would be exceptional to be able to beat all these other teams and their backers with an organic approach relying in hg youth and smart transfers but as far as I can see we don’t have that vision (or at least weve made such a bad job of executing it).

Tbh I’m more interested in watching great football that beats other teams too. I’d rather we didn’t have to resort to this too but it’s not a deal breaker to me

Not sure why i am quoted mate, i didn't say that? strange.

 

[mr ashley]

Not sure why i am quoted mate, i didn't say that? strange.

Ooh me neither
Sorry

 

[jonnyrotten]

It's not peoples morals that are going out of the window FFS.
This is the sort of post that's ruining this thread.

Just because someone can't walk away from the club they always loved, doesn't mean that their everyday morals have changed in any way.

To be honest, if this does go through, I look forward to many of you lot not being in here anymore, spouting shite like this.

This is a far more complex and emotionally involved debate than such simple posts as this can grasp.

Why have I said anything about walking away from the club. The question was about whether I would welcome them. And the answer is a resounding no. Whatever happens with this, we will be the ones left to pick up the pieces years down the line. They don't care about spurs.

You're a nice guy mate, I'd rather not argue with you about this, but I feel very passionate about our club selling its soul as someone that has grown up there and stood/sat in the ground for more than 30 years.

 

[jonnyrotten]

Clubs owned or sponsored by states have been awful for football. Inflating the market and making many European leagues much less competitive.

Football is less interesting than it used to be. I would prefer if this club didn’t contribute to the acceleration of it’s downfall.

I understand that it’s easier for a non-English fan who travels every other season to take a firm stand. I would be giving up habits, not a whole way of life. Even so, I felt sad when the Newcastle take over went through, and even sadder when I read about this proposal.

Tbh, haven't wanted to get into this but I imagine there's a very big difference in voting between people that are local (ish) to Tottenham/London and international fans that have followed the club since spurs got a global reputation.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

If QSI did take a stake in Spurs and we grow in financial strength in the next 2 or 3 years what happens if PSG and Spurs are both trying to sign the same player ?

 

[Gb160]

If QSI did take a stake in Spurs and we grow in financial strength in the next 2 or 3 years what happens if PSG and Spurs are both trying to sign the same player ?

Levy will piss about like normal.

 

[easley91]

The more I think about this, the more unsure I am about it. Overnight apparently my other passion was bought out by the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund. So in the span of a few days the two major parts of my life I could end up walking away from, although it won't be easy to do.

Please don't diminish anyone who says they can't walk away, because for all you know the club could have been their escape in their darkest hours (as it has been for me). Just because they don't want to or can't walk away, it doesn't mean they accept or are happy with what is happening.

 

[bat-chain]

The more I think about this, the more unsure I am about it. Overnight apparently my other passion was bought out by the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund. So in the span of a few days the two major parts of my life I could end up walking away from, although it won't be easy to do.

Please don't diminish anyone who says they can't walk away, because for all you know the club could have been their escape in their darkest hours (as it has been for me). Just because they don't want to or can't walk away, it doesn't mean they accept or are happy with what is happening.

I had to look up what the second part was about,. The Saudi's have purchased WWE Wrestling, amusing.

Bet they will be genuinely gutted when they realise the violence isn’t real.

 

[Wig]

Curious how they would fund spurs as a minority. It would have to be through sponsorship (well not have to be). Could we them being issued convertibles to increase ownership over time

they could certainly be buying a pro forma 25 percent stake with primary shares No details yet

Sponsorship would be the obvious route, the stadium name rights for example.

Even though it would be a minority stake you would think they would push for growth and silverware, unlike the just top 4 aspirations we seemingly have currently.

 

[HedgieSpur]

Why have I said anything about walking away from the club. The question was about whether I would welcome them. And the answer is a resounding no. Whatever happens with this, we will be the ones left to pick up the pieces years down the line. They don't care about spurs.

You're a nice guy mate, I'd rather not argue with you about this, but I feel very passionate about our club selling its soul as someone that has grown up there and stood/sat in the ground for more than 30 years.

I find this interesting how you dont feel we sold our soul when ENIC came in? Lewis isnt a Spurs fan (he doesnt even like football), is a tax "exile" (dodger) and some would say his business conduct has been "questionable".

We sold our soul a long time ago imo and Ive (rather uncomfortably) had to make peace with it.

 

[chas vs dave]

People are getting awfully het up about something that probably won't happen ?.

As I said before, there are a lot of positives and a lot of negatives.

I can't quit, I've been spurs-struck.

 

[jonnyrotten]

I find this interesting how you dont feel we sold our soul when ENIC came in? Lewis isnt a Spurs fan (he doesnt even like football), is a tax "exile" (dodger) and some would say his business conduct has been "questionable".

We sold our soul a long time ago imo and Ive (rather comfortably) had to make peace with it.

I do feel that. But having an islamic government that blatantly uses sports washing to promote their evil regime now buying in to the club I love is another nail in its coffin.

I was born into this, and our original supporters will long outlast the corporates and the global fanbase (customers). I will never turn my back on Tottenham, but the club has been turning their back on the match-going fans incrementally for the past few decades. I just hope there is a semblance of the original club left when this huge political and capitalist experiment blows up in their faces.

 

[HildoSpur]

As I've said before I couldn't give a toss about who pumps money into the club as long as it's a lot and the money is used to improve the stuff on the pitch. Anybody who is in a position to invest hundreds of millions into anything is probably corrupt and not a particularly nice person so it's all the same to me.

 

[PLTuck]

As others have said, Spurs is my club. OUR club. I couldn't walk away from a lifetime love because of some suits. But I would not welcome any investment from these homophobic, anti woman dick swingers, and would boycott any sponsorships and vote with my wallet. After all, that's all we can really do. We don't get a say in this matter unfortunately. QSI pumping money into the local area for regeneration would be a nice sweetener, but would be somewhat hollow if they continue to imprison people because of their sexuality.

We'll still be here long after Enic and whoever they get into bed with have been and gone.

 

[felmani26]

i'd say there's very much legs to us being primed for investment which now seemingly makes sense of what transpired last month with the recalling of issued share capital before sub dividing this into shares @ 5p improving the liquidity of the shares.

 

[brasil_spur]

You’re trying very hard to justify it to yourself. Cindi Lauper was right. Money changes everything.

Why can’t you just be honest with yourself and say fuck it I want their money and I don’t care if it’s dirty or not! Your continual rationalization just makes you look guilty of accepting something you know is wrong.
Sorry not having a go at you personally as you are not alone on here.

LOL, you're a lovely chap aren't you?

I've been nothing other than honest. I freely admit that for me I don't see a moral issue with them being an investor and would be ok with their investment and have voted this way along with 63.5% of the posters here. I'm not rationalising anything for myself, I'm just challenging the knee-jerk, semi-racist and uneducated view of many posters here.

 

[brasil_spur]

Fair enough my apologies. Interesting moral code is a bit over the top. Probably should have said something like interesting rationalizing. You are still saying we should do something that you don’t really feel comfortable with just because others have been allowed to do it.
Life is full of grey areas but you still sometimes have to decide whether something is right or wrong.
For me it is clearly wrong to accept investment from Qatar. Apart from the way they treat certain segments of their population this is a country who debased the worlds greatest sporting tournament by bribing FIFA to award the World Cup to them in order burnish their public image.

Basically telling the world “hey we’re filthy rich so we can have anything we like, do anything we like”. Is that really the sort of people you want to be associated with, want our club to be associated with?

Tottenham is my club, it’s your club, it’s our club. Do you really want our club, that obviously means so much to us all, just be basically a department in the Qatari( or any other country for that matter) Ministry of Truth used to make them look like great guys when in reality they’re mean spirited people who just happen to be loaded.
We’d have come a long way from that group of boys under the street light( just across the road from our present stadium) who decided to start a football club named after Harry Hotspur. Wonder what they’d think of it.
You’re all entitled to your view on this but be careful what you wish for.

Whatever happens, however distasteful I may find it, I will always be TTID. No one will ever take that away from me.

Just to pick up further on this as it does seem you've wound your neck in a bit on this post.

"Apart from the way they treat certain segments of their population"

I'm going to assume by your username that you are based in the US. Given your own country over-turned a key human right of every woman last year I would think carefully about making sweeping statements about how Qatar treat certain segments of their population. It's nice to think that western countries are holyier than though, but in reality it's not actually all that clear cut.

 

[bat-chain]

LOL, you're a lovely chap aren't you?

I've been nothing other than honest. I freely admit that for me I don't see a moral issue with them being an investor and would be ok with their investment and have voted this way along with 63.5% of the posters here. I'm not rationalising anything for myself, I'm just challenging the knee-jerk, semi-racist and uneducated view of many posters here.

Qatar are a bit semi-racist and uneducated towards homosexuals, women, migrant workers and so on, so they are totally fair game.