Tottenham Vs Aston Villa: Match Thread

[Mr Pink]

You're probably right - although the gif that Misfit posted should stop a few from saying he didn't. Anyway, I'm done now so that's one less 'oh yes he did' poster.

Don't really agree with you though mate

 

[Spurger King]

Bale's just practising for Spanish football. He'll fit right in.

 

[Mr Pink]

What's pissing me off much more is him being greedy in loads of situations if I'm being honest.

 

[StartingPrice]

I even nodded to his right not to get clattered. However, he does go down very easily and there will come a day where we get a result through the delightful euphamism that is "simulation" or worse yet, are denied a result through a non-call due to a reputation.

It just isn't neccessary most of the time. That's the unfortunate thing.

As I just said on another thread (laughing at Lolpool, I think), yes he does go over rather theatrically and I don't particularly like it.

Which is exactly what happened. Guzan stopped. There would have been no contact. In any case, he didn't jump out of the way; he just flopped over anticipating the contact in the same way that he has so many times before. It was a dive.

I don't know if Spurs fans are in denial about this because thay don't want to believe that they have a cheat in their team, but I never cease to be amazed at the lengths that some go to defend Bale. He dives. Consistently. It isn't acceptable and should be stopped.

So Bale should have known that Guzman was going to stop?
And that is the crux of the argument. It is very easy for us to say he wasn't touched or that Guzman pulled out, but in the moment and at full speed Bale had every right to anticipate being dangerously clattered and take evasive action.

I'm not in denial at all - I wish he wouldn't be so theatrical. But I would prefer him to take evasive action when, at full speed, he thinks he is going to be dangerously clattered than that he refused to budge either out of perverse pride or due to a desperate need to prove that he was facing several dangerous challenges per game (and, believe me, he is, and I personally believe he is being targeted) even if it meant ending his career, or, if he was lucky, missing a season or half a season here and there.

Thank you for posting this.

How anybody can view it and claim it wasn't a dive is beyond me.

 

[StartingPrice]

Thank you for posting this.

How anybody can view it and claim it wasn't a dive is beyond me.

Sorry, but I can't view them - bastard toolbar has fecked everything on my PC up (as Misfit will attest)

Having watched that though (thanks Misfit) I don't think its that bad in all honesty. He's anticipating the contact which doesn't come and is half expecting to get taken out IMO.

Its not completely blatant in my eyes, I've seen much, much worse

Which is how I saw it - at full speed, I think he had every right to get out of the way, and he didn't make a big thing out of it, claiming a foul or anything.

 

[Mr Pink]

Sorry, but I can't view them - bastard toolbar has fecked everything on my PC up (as Misfit will attest)



Which is how I saw it - at full speed, I think he had every right to get out of the way, and he didn't make a big thing out of it, claiming a foul or anything.

That would of been a bit cheeky though, wouldn't it!!!

 

[only1waddle]

What's pissing me off much more is him being greedy in loads of situations if I'm being honest.

Its Defoeitis : A lethal disease which renders the footballing brain useless of any creativity imparting a selfish streak upon its victim.
The symptoms are known to infuriate, frustrate and drive onlookers mad, whole afternoons have been wasted by Joe public just shaking their heads. Removal of the virus spreader to a mid table team is the only known cure.

 

[StartingPrice]

That would of been a bit cheeky though, wouldn't it!!!

Did he?
I haven't seen it since, just heard someone else saying he didn't, and I can be rather partisan during the match, so all I remeber is thinking he would have been clattered if he hadn't dodged

 

[Mr Pink]

Did he?
I haven't seen it since, just heard someone else saying he didn't, and I can be rather partisan during the match, so all I remeber is thinking he would have been clattered if he hadn't dodged

No I mean it would of been rich for him to claim a foul when it was so obvious there was no contact at all, which he would of known

 

[StartingPrice]

No I mean it would of been rich for him to claim a foul when it was so obvious there was no contact at all, which he would of known

I'm just suffereing from having discovered this bastard toolbar has buggered up my Internet options...including being able to view siggy vids, etc.

 

[Misfit]

Having watched that though (thanks Misfit) I don't think its that bad in all honesty. He's anticipating the contact which doesn't come and is half expecting to get taken out IMO.

Its not completely blatant in my eyes, I've seen much, much worse

The old Steven "I punched him in the back of the head because I feared for my safety" Gerrard defence eh? Would have been very interesting to see Bale's reaction had the ref come over to Guzan with a card in his hand.

 

[Misfit]

As I just said on another thread (laughing at Lolpool, I think), yes he does go over rather theatrically and I don't particularly like it.



So Bale should have known that Guzman was going to stop?
And that is the crux of the argument. It is very easy for us to say he wasn't touched or that Guzman pulled out, but in the moment and at full speed Bale had every right to anticipate being dangerously clattered and take evasive action.

I'm not in denial at all - I wish he wouldn't be so theatrical. But I would prefer him to take evasive action when, at full speed, he thinks he is going to be dangerously clattered than that he refused to budge either out of perverse pride or due to a desperate need to prove that he was facing several dangerous challenges per game (and, believe me, he is, and I personally believe he is being targeted) even if it meant ending his career, or, if he was lucky, missing a season or half a season here and there.

I don't disagree with any of that. Were you able to see the gif though (very sorry to learn you're still battling with babylon), you'd be hard pushed to convince me that the way he flopped was in any way designed to help him avoid contact and a nasty injury.

He flopped as though his ankles were kicked out from under him. He makes no attempt to jump or move his ankles/shins out of the imaginary firing line of contact as you'd hope he'd be able to realise he'd have to if he wanted to avoid a nasty contact.

I love him as a winger and nobody has a bad word to say about him otherwise but he's a diver. A real shame but there it is and I only hope that if he can't be stopped from being a sissy-nanny (NB - I'm not talking about when we're playing against Fatso Adam or Stoke etc) that THFC don't get fucked over in a game because of his reputation because he has a reputation now, like it or not.

 

[JAYSTAR]

Post injuries -
I was weighing up the pros and cons of two defensive midfielders today and given that Lennon and Bale probably need to be dropped every now and then, once our injured players get back, I reckon we could play with Sandro and Parker with Dembele further forward to link up with Ade on the right, Bale on the left and Defoe in front. The major benefit being that when we do chip or cross the ball in - we'll have bale and dembele in the box or ade and dembele to head goals!
Can't wait for Kaboul to partner Verts and BAE to be back on the left, which would make the team look a bit like this:

Lloris
Walker Kaboul Verts BAE
Sandro Parker
Dembele
Adebayor Bale
Defoe

I reckon we need to look at another right back if Walker doesn't improve and maybe Tiote as cover for Sandro (and Parker if his injuries carry on)...... Any thoughts?

 

[RupertModrić1993]

i loved sandro's we bit of skill today rolling around in circles with the ball. the man is a class act.

 

[DuDe]

So, MotD 2 @ 10:25pm tonight:

http://tvguide.co.uk/detail.asp?id=135987259

We're about to come on.

 

[Shadydan]

Stellar analysis of the Bale dive from Lawro et al. Even managed to insult the GK for being American bizarrely. Oh and Murray spoiling the fact that Suarez dives later (hardly a surprise I suppose)

Seriously MOTD is absolute gash. They should be tearing into Bale for cheating not yuking it up.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Anyone got links for a full match download? My stream was fucking hopeless today.

 

[DuDe]

Cue multiple pages on did he dive or not

If we can get the other camera angle it's very clear he did do a Suarez.

 

[sloth]

On diving: I get pissed off when a player dives to win a free-kick or pen because it's cheating, I feel the same if it's our player or their's, however when a player deliberately fouls to prevent a promising move I don't have anywhere near the same reaction, and if it's one of our players who's done it, and it worked out for us, then I'll praise him, but isn't that cheating too? So who's up for saying why the two types of cheating feel different?

 

[rich75]

Thank you for posting this.

How anybody can view it and claim it wasn't a dive is beyond me.

It's a dive of course but that doesnt mean he went down to gain a foul/penalty