Tottenham Vs Newcastle: Match Thread

[spurs mental]

Sorry we were still Shit with Sandro and Dawson if you think they would make a difference you are dreaming!!

Sorry but where in my post did I say we were better with those two in the team? I merely stated that they played with heart and desire. Something that this squad requires by the truckload. Had any of the players now had half the desire of Dawson we'd probably do ok.

We lack character and guts. Something needs to change within the club about this, because we've had this problem for years. The only time I ever remember us having character and desire and guts was when we had a team with with King, Dawson, Parker, Modric, VDV, Bale, in our CL season. Since then, it's been little or nothing.

 

[thinktank]

Bring Sherwood back. He wouldn't have tolerated that crap, and he would have said so in public as well to the players. A few fans trying to look sophisticated would have moaned about his 'media' shortcomings, but the dressing room would have found out what playing for Spurs really means.

Not gonna happen now, too many clubs after him....no chance.

 

[spurs mental]

Townsend has done nothing even when given the chance unfortunately and Bentaleb has hardly played, let alone been our best player in the games he has played.

I don't have a huge negative agenda against them, but lest not re-write stuff.

Ok I never said Bentaleb was our best player in any game, but under Sherwood last season he played pretty well considering the shower of shit we had to watch week in week out for the most part. He was a bright light in an otherwise dark season for us.

As for Townsend, at least he tries to be positive on the ball. His end product is lacking but a bit of positive forward movement with the ball is better than Lamela standing still stepping over the ball.

 

[Tom Pops]

Bring Sherwood back. He wouldn't have tolerated that crap

We stil lost 5-1 to City, 4-0 to Liverpool, 2-0 to West Ham, 3-1 to Benfica, 2-0 to Arsenal, 1-0 to Arsenal and 4-0 to Chelsea.

 

[Jamturk]

Adebayor is this season's scapegoat I see

You lot are pathetic

Short memories the lot of you, remember last season when he was nowhere near the team?

Do you remember?

 

[riggi]

The threads are more depressing than the result.

 

[CrazyHeart]

Adebayor is this season's scapegoat I see

You lot are pathetic

Short memories the lot of you, remember last season when he was nowhere near the team?

Do you remember?

Dude - criticism of Ade is about his PERFORMANCE NOT the guy personally!! I'd like to see him back in that great form, hungry for goals and prodigious play. Right now, he's not cutting it and should be dropped for his own good, so we can get him fired up again. Until he's back, we let Kane / Soldado do their stuff, which by the way is more impressive than what we've gotten from Ade this season.

 

[haydsmith]

Bring Sherwood back. He wouldn't have tolerated that crap, and he would have said so in public as well to the players. A few fans trying to look sophisticated would have moaned about his 'media' shortcomings, but the dressing room would have found out what playing for Spurs really means.

Bang on. Sherwood was the most astute voice on everything wrong at Spurs that I have seen in over 20 years of going. Fans drove him out. Pathetic

 

[SpursDave88]

Some random thoughts:

This was one of those losses that were down there with many of our worst results in the last 40 years. I am not upset we lost, I am upset at the manner in which we lost.

The coaches I speak to in the league say they (and other teams) target our full backs and our lack of leadership (no organiser, no captain type). When players are playing out of position they do things that natural full backs don't do. They get exposed and exploited. Yes, Rose has improved by playing there, but Dier on the kick off today was schoolboy defending. Newcastle targeted him and both goals came from his side. Other teams have done it this season. Yes, we beat QPR, West Ham and Southampton, but on another day should have lost two and QPR still had chances against our back four. See the chances for Asteras the other night and Kaboul's high defending last weekend for other examples.

I have seen every recent manager work and their ideas for the most part have been good. I knew the players AVB would show the door to based on his demands, but starting to question others now too. Becoming frustrated as a fan because we are back to where we were about 8-10 years ago when we were really mentally fragile as teams fancied getting a result against us.

I won't be critical of DL for how far the club has come under his leadership although my patience will be tested if the stadium is another six seasons from completion. I supported most of his managerial changes, so have no issue with MP right now. I am however starting to question our DOF and scouting network. We have no leaders on the field, no players who deal with adversity and no players prepared to run through a brick wall for the team. We have decent players with potential, but a lot of them are missing when the going gets tough. Where is this team's King, Roberts, Perryman, Parker? Who is our Terry, Carragher, Neville, Adams who were schooled in their club's tradition and whose star studded teammates feared? We don't have one. Why not? What in the backgrounds of the players are the scouting staff missing?

On a related note, I know AVB asked for three players and none of them were signed. Where would his regin have been had he got his signings? From a trusted source I know two players at the current manager's former club who agreed to join us. Neither were signed. Why appoint a manager and not let him develop the team as he sees fit?

Lastly, this team is missing winners with a winning mentality. To be a winner one needs to win things. Only Lennon of our current group has won a trophy for Spurs. We need to get this team in the habit of winning trophies, so a League Cup and a Europa Cup is not beneath us. If not, we will remain a stepping stone for players and a club constantly in transition.

A fantastic post, echoing what I and many others have already said, the manner of the defeat was truly sickening...we gave the game away, and never looked like getting back in it. The funny thing with respect the to the correct point you make about lack of leaders and winners is the following:

Lloris (France Captain), Vertonghen (Ajax Captain, Twice a league winner and cup winner), Fazio (Sevilla Captain), Christian Eriksen (Three times league winner and cup winner), Soldado (Valencia Captain)

So despite having a number of captains in the squad, we pick the player with no experience as our own.

 

[Mr Pink]

It is not the travel it is only having 2 days rest. They did research a couple of years ago and proved that only having 2 days rest between games effects athletic performance. Several countries FA's actually schedule games on a Monday for teams that have played in the Europa.

I understand all that and complained regularly when AVB would pick the same sides after Europa games, home or away.

That being said we did make some changes and should have had more than enough to beat a very poor Newcastle side today.

 

[thinktank]

Some random thoughts:

This was one of those losses that were down there with many of our worst results in the last 40 years. I am not upset we lost, I am upset at the manner in which we lost.

The coaches I speak to in the league....

How do you know them?

 

[Marty]

We fucked up, pure and simple. A bit more penetration and a willingness to shoot and we would've been 3-0 up at half time and cruising.

Dier arrived late out of the tunnel for the second half, was high-fiving everyone and obviously not fully focused, and Newcastle exploited that to the max. It's the sort of kick-off move that might maybe work once or twice in a season, and they caught the poor lad completely off guard. Hope he learns from that. It was a sucker punch we never recovered from and we were dreadful all second half.

Taking Capoue off for Kane might appear to make sense to some, but it left us with nobody who could win the ball back quickly and help us keep the pressure on their defence. This for me is why we always need a ball winning midfielder in the side even when we're throwing people forward and chasing goals. Big mistake by Poch IMO.

But Poch's questioning of mentality post-match is spot on. Nobody liked the way Sherwood did it (and rightly so, it wasn't what he said that was wrong, it was the way he said it), but I'm convinced that our problems are more mental than either technical or tactical.

 

[markdadude]

Just going by first impression of the mood in here I'm probably going to be unpopular in here by saying we played pretty well today I thought.

We were pretty unlucky that we didn't convert more of our chances, and that newcastle converted pretty much all of theirs to beat us by a single goal, one of which caught our right back napping on the whistle which you would get away with 99.9% of the time.

We did enough to win the game. Our squad is not suddenly shit because we lost today, equally we've still got problems had we won.

 

[Marty]

Just going by first impression of the mood in here I'm probably going to be unpopular in here by saying we played pretty well today I thought.

We were pretty unlucky that we didn't convert more of our chances, and that newcastle converted pretty much all of theirs to beat us by a single goal, one of which caught our right back napping on the whistle which you would get away with 99.9% of the time.

We did enough to win the game. Our squad is not suddenly shit because we lost today, equally we've still got problems had we won.

First half we were good enough to be out of sight if we'd been willing to shoot more often, so in that way I agree. But the second half was simply awful.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

We stil lost 5-1 to City, 4-0 to Liverpool, 2-0 to West Ham, 3-1 to Benfica, 2-0 to Arsenal, 1-0 to Arsenal and 4-0 to Chelsea.

And we finished where in the PL?

I am no lover of Sherwood, but can point out bigger losses under other Spurs managers who have won Trophies with us. Without looking back didn't we lose 8-0 at Liverpool under Burkinshaw, (i am sure we may have) and he didn't do too bad as a Spurs boss.

Poch has a big job on his hands, and needs time, money and a lot of support from Levy and the Board of Directors. Whether he will get this is another question, but for sure the eleven who started today, and some that didn't will not take this Club forward and that's a fact.

 

[riggi]

nice kit

 

[riggi]

motd fun as ever

 

[dagraham]

Just going by first impression of the mood in here I'm probably going to be unpopular in here by saying we played pretty well today I thought.

We were pretty unlucky that we didn't convert more of our chances, and that newcastle converted pretty much all of theirs to beat us by a single goal, one of which caught our right back napping on the whistle which you would get away with 99.9% of the time.

We did enough to win the game. Our squad is not suddenly shit because we lost today, equally we've still got problems had we won.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this post.

What chances? We were average in the first half without creating much at all, but in control because Newcastle were so abject.

Then they changed things, caught us with our pants down, got more aggressive and we didn't have a fucking clue how to get back in the game.

They were comfortable in the end, hardly hanging on for victory under sustained pressure.

The truth is we look flaky at the back and lack any sort of cutting edge, pace or dynamism in the final third.

Not a great combination really.

 

[diamondlight]

Bang on. Sherwood was the most astute voice on everything wrong at Spurs that I have seen in over 20 years of going. Fans drove him out. Pathetic

All these (sarcastic?) funny ratings are confusing me. I happen to agree with what you've said there, assuming you meant it. Sherwood told it like it is; seems to be an unpopular trait these days for some inexplicable reason.

 

[Sweetsman]

I didn't see the game today but the one thing I was expecting to see following Poch's appointment was pressing. I'm watching the Marseille game, who are managed by Bielsa whose style Poch has apparently adopted, and their pressing is relentless and truly impressive.

Yes, it's impressive now, but Bielsa teams run out of steam in the second half of the season.