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Tottenham Vs Sheriff: Match Thread

nightgoat

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A slightly minor point, but we get 2 co-efficient points per group stage win. With this week's CL/EL results we'll have gone up to 17th in the rankings, above Dortmund, PSG and CSKA. Obviously it's fairly irrelevant unless we qualify for the CL next season, but UEFA's flawed system of awarding the same points regardless of opposition is giving us quite an advantage.
 

Yakflange

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A slightly minor point, but we get 2 co-efficient points per group stage win. With this week's CL/EL results we'll have gone up to 17th in the rankings, above Dortmund, PSG and CSKA. Obviously it's fairly irrelevant unless we qualify for the CL next season, but UEFA's flawed system of awarding the same points regardless of opposition is giving us quite an advantage.

However you get four points just for getting to the Champions League Group stage, and another four for getting to the round of 16 - so that redresses the balance somewhat.
 

nightgoat

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However you get four points just for getting to the Champions League Group stage, and another four for getting to the round of 16 - so that redresses the balance somewhat.

True, although it's safe to say CSKA and Marseille won't make the knock out rounds, and Shakhtar might not either.
 

shelfboy68

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I think it's safe to say we finally clicked in the second half and of course what it actually took was some much improved individual performances.

It was Eriksen who ramped it up a notch initially with some driving runs and penetrating balls and this created a bit more space for everyone else including Lamela who really showed his ability and class all game. He took his goal well and I was disappointed although not surprised to see JD take the ball off him for a pen which was all Lamela's making.

If Eriksen and Lamela can keep up that kind of play they should definitely both be starters.

All in all the intensity of the second half was really pleasing and exactly what we've been missing all season.

If erickson keeps up that kind of play he can fuck off as he was shocking I can see why all the hype about and no one but us bought him.
 

only1waddle

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If erickson keeps up that kind of play he can fuck off as he was shocking I can see why all the hype about and no one but us bought him.

Jesus H Christ, have you not learnt?
The same stuff was being said about Lamela about a week ago.
Also have you thought that none of the players in the no.10 position have looked comfortable?

Shame on you for wanting a player to "fuck off" after just 3 months in, seriously, get a grip.
 

teok

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Very happy for lamela, showed glimpses of what he is capable of, hope he can just relax and start playing now. Rasping shot from eriksen as well.

Caps and kaboul back so it's only rose missing now. Big games coming up in the prem.


edit - *shot not *shit lol.
 
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$hoguN

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Listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about.

It is currently not his best position though as it puts a lot of pressure on him, unnecessary pressure when Holtby is playing well. He is best off playing from the right and cutting in, as he remains hard to mark and can assist and score from there without the added pressure of being told he has to be the main creator.
 

$hoguN

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What would help is if we moved the ball around midfield a bit quicker instead of dillying and dallying, doing your fancy shimmy/turn and then playing a telegraphed pass. By the time all that's been done, the opposition has reset themselves with two banks of four.

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This can only happen when our players move more intelligently. When Defoe is standing with a number of defenders between him and the goal zipping it into him isn't going to help matters as he is going to turn into an area where the defenders can win the ball from him easily.
 

14/04/91

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If erickson keeps up that kind of play he can fuck off as he was shocking I can see why all the hype about and no one but us bought him.

You do realise the boy's only 21 don't you? The fact he's played so often for Ajax & Denmark at that age probably justifies the 'hype'
 

14/04/91

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Really pleased for Lamela. The boy has so much talent and if he kicks on from here, his very early days will be long forgotten.
I for one thought (and still maybe do) it would take most of the season for him to settle but this should help.
The speed of his feet for the penalty was breathtaking.
 

Sarsipius

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If erickson keeps up that kind of play he can fuck off as he was shocking I can see why all the hype about and no one but us bought him.

Actually, I understand the frustration Shelfboy68. In the first half he was truly woeful but for a 20-25 minute period after the break he absolutely showed what he can do with some driving runs and smart passing culminating in the rasping shot which was only just tipped over the bar.

No doubt he is still a bit of an enigma. For all the undoubted quality he was often criticized for lacking influence in games both for Denmark and in his last couple of seasons at Ajax. I guess this comes down to mentality therefore. Does he have the character to assert himself in matches and dominate the opposition with his play? I'm sure this is what AVB and the coaches will try to instil in him but I tell you one thing, the confidence factor in football is huge.

I don't know to what level you've played or play football but even at the lowest level you can experience the difference between playing when you feel good about yourself versus trying to play well when your confidence is shot. For some players this is more significant than others too but when you're a play-maker you need to believe in yourself first and foremost.

Perhaps he is a bit on the fragile side but if that's the case he'll need our support as much as anyone and if we want him to be a success we should try and show him some and not just expect him to waltz into the team (and league) and be an instant hit.
 

TheSecretNonFootballer

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Actually, I understand the frustration Shelfboy68. In the first half he was truly woeful but for a 20-25 minute period after the break he absolutely showed what he can do with some driving runs and smart passing culminating in the rasping shot which was only just tipped over the bar.

No doubt he is still a bit of an enigma. For all the undoubted quality he was often criticized for lacking influence in games both for Denmark and in his last couple of seasons at Ajax. I guess this comes down to mentality therefore. Does he have the character to assert himself in matches and dominate the opposition with his play? I'm sure this is what AVB and the coaches will try to instil in him but I tell you one thing, the confidence factor in football is huge.

I don't know to what level you've played or play football but even at the lowest level you can experience the difference between playing when you feel good about yourself versus trying to play well when your confidence is shot. For some players this is more significant than others too but when you're a play-maker you need to believe in yourself first and foremost.

Perhaps he is a bit on the fragile side but if that's the case he'll need our support as much as anyone and if we want him to be a success we should try and show him some and not just expect him to waltz into the team (and league) and be an instant hit.

The psychological side of the game is huge. As you've said, even at the lowest levels (which I've been playing in for the best part of 15 years) it affects everything you do. Being a playmaker means taking risks, playing passes that other people won't/can't. If your head isn't right things aren't instinctive. You end up playing with your head down, focusing far more on what you're doing than keeping your head up and looking for attacking passes.

How often do we hear pundits saying "his head isn't right" when trying to explain why players are playing badly?

You could argue that it's a sign of mental weakness, but that is rarely the case. These players don't get to where they are now if they're mentally weak.
 

mill

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The psychological side of the game is huge. As you've said, even at the lowest levels (which I've been playing in for the best part of 15 years) it affects everything you do. Being a playmaker means taking risks, playing passes that other people won't/can't. If your head isn't right things aren't instinctive. You end up playing with your head down, focusing far more on what you're doing than keeping your head up and looking for attacking passes.

How often do we hear pundits saying "his head isn't right" when trying to explain why players are playing badly?

You could argue that it's a sign of mental weakness, but that is rarely the case. These players don't get to where they are now if they're mentally weak.
Indeed, Lampard's a great example of this, far from the most talented player but his mentality makes him one of the most consistent players in the world and his goal tally supports that IMHO.
 
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