Tottenham vs Villa: Match Thread

[Little Squatman]

gaz, I haven't read through the thread so I'm not fit to comment on peoples reactions, but at least in my case I think the hint of negativity is very much down to the fact that we are clearly better than these guys and should have taken them to the cleaners, twice, but came out with 2 points from the 2 games.

You only need to read this page mate, other than our comments. Harry is not good enough, Crouch is not good enough, we're a long ball team etc. We're playing better football than I can remember from a Spurs side, better than anything under Jol in my opinion, in terms of dominating teams. Ledley was immense yesterday, Bale didn't give Ashley Young a sniff, the Hudd's passing was quality as well.
Frustrating but encouraging.
That would have worked better if this post was on the same page.

 

[spurs_viola]

You only need to read this page mate, other than our comments. Harry is not good enough, Crouch is not good enough, we're a long ball team etc. We're playing better football than I can remember from a Spurs side, better than anything under Jol in my opinion, in terms of dominating teams. Ledley was immense yesterday, Bale didn't give Ashley Young a sniff, the Hudd's passing was quality as well.
Frustrating but encouraging.
That would have worked better if this post was on the same page.

This is just such a typically complacent, lazy comment. I agree with the individual points you made about King, Bale and Huddlestone, and could add that Palacios is looking better than about a month ago and Gomes is not showing any signs of losing his great form.

But "playing better football than I can remember from a Spurs side"?
I don't know, perhaps you have low expectations and must have loved Bolton under Allardyce - they also had a couple of classy players but predominant tactics was to use the long ball to Davies and show a very good "workrate". Limited but it works if your ambitions are just to get into UEFA Cup/Europa League.
But it does not work if your ambitions are to get into the Champions League and stay there.

Refusing to notice shortcomings that threaten to hinder our team's best chance since 5 years ago and who knows for how many years in future to get that all-important Champions League place is a false loyalty in my opinion.

It is like refusing to notice the lack of experience and power at Arsenal or lack of balance and quality options at Liverpool. Loyal and positive on the surface, but counter-productive in reality.

 

[Little Squatman]

This is just such a typically complacent, lazy comment. I agree with the individual points you made about King, Bale and Huddlestone, and could add that Palacios is looking better than about a month ago and Gomes is not showing any signs of losing his great form.

But "playing better football than I can remember from a Spurs side"?
I don't know, perhaps you have low expectations and must have loved Bolton under Allardyce - they also had a couple of classy players but predominant tactics was to use the long ball to Davies and show a very good "workrate". Limited but it works if your ambitions are just to get into UEFA Cup/Europa League.
But it does not work if your ambitions are to get into the Champions League and stay there.

Refusing to notice shortcomings that threaten to hinder our team's best chance since 5 years ago and who knows for how many years in future to get that all-important Champions League place is a false loyalty in my opinion.

It is like refusing to notice the lack of experience and power at Arsenal or lack of balance and quality options at Liverpool. Loyal and positive on the surface, but counter-productive in reality.

I said in terms of dominating teams, and I'll stick by it. I'm happy to be positive about our season, if you think thats lazy, complacent, false loyalty and counter-productive, I don't give a sh*t.

 

[Kendall]

If results go against us with teams and their games in hand we could end up 7th and only 3 points ahead of Brum in 8th without kicking a ball.

That is depressing.

 

[Brewster]

If results go against us with teams and their games in hand we could end up 7th and only 3 points ahead of Brum in 8th without kicking a ball.

That is depressing.

On the bright side, Villa have Man United on wednesday, we have Wolves.

 

[TwoSaintsComeMarching]

On the bright side, Villa have Man United on wednesday, we have Wolves.

Which basically means bollocks. I can easily see us losing or being held at Wolves..

 

[rich75]

On the bright side, Villa have Man United on wednesday, we have Wolves.

yep , and Liverpool are away to arsenal then away to city

 

[rich75]

Which basically means bollocks. I can easily see us losing or being held at Wolves..

Wolves are second bottom, they have to attack at home if they're going to stay up. Against sides that actually attack we tend to do quite weel, it's the teams that defend for 90 minutes we run out of ideas against

 

[brett.spurs]

Who says they have to attack? They'll probabaly be quite happy to just sit there and laugh at us for not being able to break them down.

 

[DiscoD1882]

This is just such a typically complacent, lazy comment. I agree with the individual points you made about King, Bale and Huddlestone, and could add that Palacios is looking better than about a month ago and Gomes is not showing any signs of losing his great form.

But "playing better football than I can remember from a Spurs side"?
I don't know, perhaps you have low expectations and must have loved Bolton under Allardyce - they also had a couple of classy players but predominant tactics was to use the long ball to Davies and show a very good "workrate". Limited but it works if your ambitions are just to get into UEFA Cup/Europa League.
But it does not work if your ambitions are to get into the Champions League and stay there.

Refusing to notice shortcomings that threaten to hinder our team's best chance since 5 years ago and who knows for how many years in future to get that all-important Champions League place is a false loyalty in my opinion.

It is like refusing to notice the lack of experience and power at Arsenal or lack of balance and quality options at Liverpool. Loyal and positive on the surface, but counter-productive in reality.

so is this as you are just copying and pasting it into every "positive" post and thread you disagree with. Not every game should highlight the teams shortcomings. sometimes you play well and lose. Sometimes you play well and win, sometimes you play badly and win. sometimes you play badly and lose. This is why we love football. And sometimes you play well and draw. simples

 

[spurs_viola]

so is this as you are just copying and pasting it into every "positive" post and thread you disagree with. Not every game should highlight the teams shortcomings. sometimes you play well and lose. Sometimes you play well and win, sometimes you play badly and win. sometimes you play badly and lose. This is why we love football. And sometimes you play well and draw. simples

Nobody is expecting to win every tight game. No problem with "sometimes". But perhaps something is not quite right when it's just 4 wins in last 12 games for the team going for a place in top 4 - the run which included home games v Wolves and Hull, and only L'pool and Villa from the bigger teams.

You can keep believing the cliches like "it was just one of those days". I think there are many who after it happened several times in the last couple of months may see it as "not learning the lessons" and "lacking tactical cleverness to win against defensive teams".

 

[mattstev2000]

Who says they have to attack? They'll probabaly be quite happy to just sit there and laugh at us for not being able to break them down.

Exactly, I can't see them attacking. They'll adopt the same tactic they used at WHL and I think we'll stuggle against '10 men behind the ball' like we have all season...

 

[BorisTM]

Wolves are second bottom, they have to attack at home if they're going to stay up. Against sides that actually attack we tend to do quite weel, it's the teams that defend for 90 minutes we run out of ideas against

Or they could just lets us come at them as they know we also need the points to get the 4th spot and try to hammer us on the brake.